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Between this and Beergut's writeup following the Independence Bowl, I'm really beginning to wonder whether they show the same games in Big 12 territory that they show here in SEC country. What they are watching out there certainly seems to bear little relationship to what I am watching over here, that's for sure.

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The bit about Tom Osborne taking a knee is what really transforms it into high comedy

Tom Osborne taught Steve Spurrier a thing or two about running it up, and it cost him . . . as when his rub-it-in touchdown to score the Cornhuskers’ 77th point caused Arizona State to lay in wait for Nebraska the following year. (I have made that point previously for the benefit of ’Husker fans.)

The idea that Coach Osborne graciously ran out the clock is, at best, cognitive dissonance. Is it possible this is satire and I’m just missing it? Surely, that must be it . . . right?

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by T Kyle King on Jan 8, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

hilarious...

I was thinking the same thing. It’s kind of pointless to analyze last night’s game. Alabama closed down their offense in the 2nd half. They basically went into prevent defense until it mattered at the end.

Texas was dominating the game when McCoy got hurt? That was the first series for Texas. A botched fake punt on the first possession is hardly “dominating.”

by mdhenshaw on Jan 8, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

his 77th

point came on an audible by a walk-on quarterback, not starters.

No, it’s not satire. There was no need for Saban to score the TD, other than to wipe away a lucky, yet crappy performance in which Alabama needed divine intervention to win.

SEC Allegiance amazes me, as does the fact that you guys would so easily defend a hired mercenary.

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by Jon Johnston on Jan 8, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

it's a good thing...

Nebraska has never needed divine intervention to win. Oh wait…

by mdhenshaw on Jan 8, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

what does that have to do with it?

nothing, that’s what.

What’s funny about you guys is that instead of saying anything about the points I made. Instead, you just respond with negative comments about Nebraska.

So… was Saban an ass for scoring that last meaningless touchdown? Yes, he was.

Would Alabama have won had McCoy not gotten injured? Probably not, but you SEC guys would think otherwise.

Was it fortune, luck, or divine intervention that took McCoy out of the game and gave Alabama a much easier victory? Yes, it was.

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by Jon Johnston on Jan 8, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I apologize if I was unclear

When the margin is only ten points, I don’t think anyone can be accused of running up the score. I didn’t think that much about it, but arguably the two most successful coaches in the history of my school (Vince Dooley and Mark Richt) between them could be accused of running it up perhaps twice in their careers, so at least I’d have some room to be critical; my team probably would have taken a knee. Tom Osborne ran it up regularly. Even if you’re right about Nick Saban, you’re being hypocritical and cognitively dissonant by claiming Osborne wouldn’t have done the same thing. Anyone who puts “Tom Osborne” and “class” in the same sentence needs to remember two words: Lawrence Phillips. Game over.

I believe Alabama would have won if Colt McCoy had not gotten injured. The Alabama defense overcame early miscues and held the Longhorns to a pair of field goals. McCoy’s backup performed admirably in the second half, demonstrating his talent. Texas’s lack of a running game was a large factor. More to the point, though, neither of us can know with certainty what would have occurred had circumstances been different. Anyone who says he knows for sure what the score would have been had this or that occurred is either a fool or a liar.

I do not believe that God intervened to alter the outcome of that football game. While it was a freak occurrence that produced McCoy’s injury, he took a hit because his offensive line wasn’t protecting him adequately. That is a testament to the superiority of Alabama’s defensive line. The Almighty had nothing to do with it, unless you believe (as some Alabamians doubtless do) that God wears a houndstooth check hat.

We like you Big 12 guys. We really do. We have a lot in common. We respect your conference; if you doubt that, look at what I wrote both before and after Georgia’s games against Oklahoma State and Texas A&M. However, the conference envy y’all regularly display is unbecoming. We already have the ACC; we don’t need any more leagues suffering from inferiority complexes with regard to the SEC.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 8, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Osborne

ran it up regularly? You provided two examples. One, of which I explained a bit, but didn’t fully. We scored 62 points in the first half of that game, then played just about everyone we could in the second.

As for the 61-24 game against Florida, obviously you forgot or didn’t know that Osborne took a knee at the one with a minute left, despite Spurrier screaming at him to go ahead and score again.

None of this matters to you, of course, since you take the cheap, easy way way on Osborne with the Lawrence Phillips comment despite there being more to that story as well.

I came over here along because I thought I’d defend my point on Osborne. Clearly this doesn’t matter to you as you’re interested only in your shallow knowledge of the man’s career.

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by Jon Johnston on Jan 8, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, since you presume to know what does and does not matter to me . . .

. . . and what I am and am not interested in, I guess you’re fully capable of carrying on this conversation without me. That’s unbelievably condescending on your part, in light of the fact that you and I are colleagues at SB Nation and that I have a history of responding reasonably to your expressions of disdain for the SEC, but I’ll be happy to leave you with the last word.

Thanks for teaching me the Big 12’s conception of class. Have a good evening and a happy new year.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 8, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Kyle said it, but I said it last night when I knew this was coming..and I am going to say it again

Colt got hurt because he got hit. He got hit because a superior D Line overcame their O line and hit him. In the 4th quarter, Gilbert got clocked and fumbled, resulting in a TD for exactly the same reason.

When we lost to LSU with a horrible PF call at the end of the game, we said, “That was a horrible call. But we lost because we sucked.” I sure wish Texas and the Big 12 would say “We lost because Alabama outplayed us.” or something to that effect. Alabama won. Alabama is the NC. Period.

Texas wouldn’t shed a tear if Ingram got hurt in the first quarter and Texas won. You would argue Texas was the better. So suck it up.

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by tankertoad on Jan 8, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I really, really don’t get it. It would be one thing if it was coming from the Texas fans, who had a personal emotional investment, but we’re getting it from other Big 12 fan bases, who seem to feel personally slighted by the fact that Alabama didn’t agree to postpone the game until Colt felt better.

Colt McCoy showed absolutely nothing but class in his postgame comments. If he can accept the truth (and give thanks to God instead of perversely assigning Him blame for the outcome of a football game), why can’t fans of other teams in the league in which he plays?

The Big 12 is a solid league whose fans have a great deal in common with ours. Yes, the Big 12 was down this year, but so was the SEC. I think most of us who are SEC fans acknowledged that. I certainly didn’t try to take anything away from Oklahoma State when the Cowboys beat us. In fact, I wrote:

Saturday’s result was a combination of Georgia playing poorly and Oklahoma State playing well. The Cowboys looked like a quality team; certainly, they deserve to be the highest-ranked team that goes by the initials “OSU.” The Red and Black looked like a club that could make my 7-5 preseason prediction seem optimistic. There were no fluke plays or bad bounces to which we can attribute this result. The better team won. What we have to get next to is the idea that ours was not the better team.

Why other teams can’t acknowledge that is beyond me. I was rooting for Alabama out of a sense of conference pride, but, had Texas won, I’d have acknowledged what everyone already knows: Mack Brown is an excellent coach who runs a top-notch championship-caliber program. If Big 12 fans aren’t willing to make similar concessions to Nick Saban and his program, well, at a minimum, they need to stop lecturing SEC fans about class, which they obviously know much, much less about than we do.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 8, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering Alabama's QB played with 2 cracked ribs

I think the Big 12 fan base needs to simply accept the outcome and move on. The game hasn’t been over for 24 full hours and I’m already sick of the continual “Alabama only won because Colt got hurt.” Well folks, McElroy played the entire game with 2 cracked ribs – it’s football, it happens, deal with it.

As to the last “meaningless touchdown” – Alabama intercepts a Tx pass and takes over with 1:41 to play – considering the play clock is 25 seconds long and there are 4 plays that is exactly 100 seconds, so I guess with 101 seconds to play, it’s possible Bama could’ve let the clock run for 20 seconds, run a standard running play to eat up some more clock time and then taken the 3 knees and ended the game, yep. But there is no rule that requires them to do so and they didn’t. So stinking what? If you don’t want your opponent to score, either don’t turn the ball over, or get your defense to stop their offense – DUH. It really just isn’t that complicated.

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by podunkdawg on Jan 8, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradford

Before we feel too sad for McCoy…. would Texas have even made it to the BCS Championship if Bradford doesn’t get hurt? At the very least Oklahoma would have had a better chance of beating Texas.

by mdhenshaw on Jan 8, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Heard from the boss this morning -

He thought McElroy played like crap, then he found out post-game, McElroy played with 2 cracked ribs.

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Jan 8, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

Mark Ingram will go down as one of the few Heisman winners who didn’t jinx his team, mostly because he didn’t play the whole game

In the game I watched Bama’s offense was stagnant (maybe listless is a better term) for the majority of the second half Ingram wasn’t in there. That kid took the momentum in the 1st half (when Bama tried to gift wrap the MNC) and more or less nailed the coffin when he came back in the 2nd. Also take into account that he was coming back in the game after having hamstring cramps, which I can painfully confirm suck out loud. If anything, this game removed any lingering doubt as to why he won the Heisman to begin with.

by misguidedkid on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

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