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In Defense of Tim Tebow's Decision to Appear in the Super Bowl Ad

I made a conscious decision to steer clear of this entire affray. Honestly, I did. A regular commenter whose views I respect e-mailed me on this issue. The controversy has been bandied about regularly in sectors of the blogosphere not ordinarily concerned with politics. I knew better---I know better---than to stick my hand into this piranha tank, but, frankly, the one-sidedness of this discussion has gotten to me, to the point where---believe it or not---I feel the need to rise to the defense of Tim Tebow.

Full disclosure: I am not a member of any political party or any faith-based organization which takes part, directly or indirectly, in the political process. I am a Methodist and a paleoconservative, but I have never been identified with what is commonly referred to as the "Christian right." I am pro-life, but I do not see the issue of abortion as a realignment issue because I recognize that positions upon that issue are the results of underlying value judgments and the logical conclusions that flow ultimately from those value judgments.

Not altogether as an aside, I would like to offer kudos to C&F for referring to both sides in this debate in non-judgmental ways. Labeling often is mission-critical to the success or failure of an issue-oriented enterprise, so it matters greatly how we refer to one another. In 1788, the opponents of ratification of the proposed U.S. Constitution referred to the competing sides as "rats" (proponents of ratification) and "anti-rats"; the fact that the terms "federalist" and "anti-federalist" became a part of the lexicon tells us all we need to know about which side prevailed.

That matters because the constant reference to Tebow’s side of the argument as "anti-abortion" is judgmental. I respect those who disagree with me enough to call them "pro-choice" rather than "pro-abortion" or worse because I understand that theirs is a conscientious position. For me, the issue boils down to this:

Let’s say we got everyone together in a room who had something to offer upon this subject. Bring in the surgeon general, the Pope, Leon Kass, the head of NARAL, everyone with a dog in this fight, and lock them in a room with all the scientific research, medical information, and philosophical treatises influencing this issue until they reach a consensus on the question of when life begins.

Assuming such a consensus is possible, what would a reasonable person conclude when that consensus was reached? The door opens, the parties emerge from the room, and, with everyone nodding in agreement, the designated speaker says, "We’ve looked at all of it, and we’ve concluded that life begins at Point X."

At that moment, every reasonable human being on the planet is pro-choice before Point X and pro-life after Point X. If Point X is birth, then everyone ought to be pro-choice throughout pregnancy. If Point X is conception, then everyone ought to be pro-life throughout pregnancy. If Point X is at the end of the first trimester, then everyone ought to be pro-choice during the first trimester and pro-life during the last two trimesters. If Point X is viability, then everyone ought to be pro-choice before the fetus can survive outside the womb and pro-life once the fetus can survive outside the womb.

The problem is that none of us knows when Point X is, and we never will. Medical science can teach us much, but it cannot answer that crucial question, because it requires a value judgment, and, as soon as you’ve made that value judgment, your conclusion inevitably follows.

If you believe the fertilized egg represents merely the potential for human life, then of course the woman should have the right to choose. If you believe the fetus is a human life that has (in the parlance of this debate) acquired the attributes of personhood, then of course the fetus ought to have the right to life.

It’s a value judgment, and, because it’s a value judgment, the labels the two sides apply to themselves are wholly sincere. I know many pro-choice people, none of whom are against children, childbirth, families, or motherhood; many of the pro-choice people I know are parents, and good ones. I know many pro-life people, none of whom are misogynists. On both sides, we’re all simply people who conscientiously make different value judgments in good faith. Except among the vocal yet small extremist minorities at either end of the spectrum, there ain’t no good guys, there ain’t no bad guys, there’s only you and me, and we just disagree.

Tim Tebow made a value judgment. His value judgment, like the value judgments of many people on both sides of this divide, was informed by his religious faith, his personal philosophy of life, and his individual experience. According to every survey I have ever seen, Tebow’s view represents the minority viewpoint in the United States as a whole, although it might command a majority in certain of those states. The Gator quarterback, who previously has received almost universal praise for his faith-based lifestyle, is receiving serious criticism for the first time in his career.

The criticism, of course, is about the advertisement which will air on Super Bowl Sunday. The ad, according to reports, will feature Tim Tebow and his mother, Pam. CBS "has approved the script for the 30-second ad," "which critics say is likely to convey" a pro-life position by recounting Pam Tebow’s decision to carry her pregnancy to term despite receiving medical advice to the contrary.

The ad is sponsored by Focus on the Family, although a spokesman for that group states that the Super Bowl spot was paid for by donations rather than through its general fund. In a letter to CBS, the Women’s Media Center referred to Focus on the Family as "anti-choice." The president of the Women’s Media Center said:

An ad that uses sports to divide rather than to unite has no place in the biggest national sports event of the year—an event designed to bring Americans together.

I respectfully beg to differ. The last sporting event I recall that unified Americans in any significant way was the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team’s "miracle on ice." Sporting events are inherently divisive; I am friends with fans of rival teams on every day of the year except the day on which our respective teams play. Sports are about the fact that you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area. Competition followed by the declaration of a winner is divisive by its very nature.

The reports I have seen, including the one quoted above, have been full of conjecture and supposition. Who has seen the script for the ad? Who knows what it will say? If the advertisement advocates joining a particular organization seeking to advance a certain agenda, that’s a political issue ad. If Tim and Pam Tebow are, say, advocating overturning Roe v. Wade---which, by the way, is a separate question from the legal availability of abortion---that’s a political issue ad.

If, however, the gist of this ad is for the Tebows to say, "Here’s why we hope you exercise your right to choose in this particular manner," that seems to me utterly unobjectionable. There is an enormous difference between saying, "I don’t think you should have this choice" and saying, "I hope you will exercise your choice in this way for these reasons." Here is what Tim Tebow had to say about the ad:

A team that doesn't want that shouldn't take me. Pro-life is very important to me. My mother listened to God late in her pregnancy, and if she had listened to others and terminated me, obviously I wouldn't be here. If others don't have the same belief, it's OK. I understand. But I hope they respect that at least I have the courage to stand up for what I believe in.

This is not much ado about nothing, but it is more ado than is warranted. Tebow is a young man of sincere convictions who has opted to subject himself to a backlash that might have far-reaching consequences for his professional career because he believes strongly in something for reasons everyone ought to respect, even if the majority of Americans respectfully disagree with him.

Anyone bothered by Tebow’s decision to use his considerable celebrity in the service of his beliefs should step out of the room for those 30 seconds or pony up the money to buy the time to offer a contrary view. Either way, though, we shouldn’t shoot the messenger. Focus past Focus on the Family.

This is Tebow’s choice. Even those who disagree with him should respect his right to choose.

I expect that comments will follow and that those comments will represent a variety of views. I have tried to be respectful to all participants in this debate in offering my perspective; I would ask that those participating in the discussion here make an effort to do likewise. I thank you in advance for your maintenance of a civil tone.

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I agree on the "choice" bit.

CBS is free to take that group’s money. Tebow is free to align himself with that group. I am free to think less of him as a human being for so aligning.

by NCT on Jan 26, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

When did it become a crime in this country to have differing opinions...

Write it down, take a picture, use zap grab, whatever. I’m about to defend Tm Tebow. If the group advertising the ad wants to pay for it, and Tebow wants to do, go for it. If you don’t agree with it, don’t watch it. It is not the end of the world. There are bigger fish to worry about frying like a constricting economy, devestattion in Haiti, and two wars going on in the middle east in which patriots are in harms way every day. Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.

I think Erk Russell could have kicked Clint Eastwood and John Wayne's butts with a corn cob and one hand tied behind his back. GATA!

by AeroDawg on Jan 26, 2010 8:41 PM EST reply actions  

This

When asked what aspects of Heyward’s game need improvement, one scout simply replied, "Nothing."

by HEYJUDE on Jan 26, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But why is nobody thinking about the children?! The childreeeeen!

by Biggus Rickus on Jan 26, 2010 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

toleration

I only have one comment to make in response to all the comments coming from the peanut gallery toward the tebow child and that is-where is all the tolerance that has been shoved down our collective throats over the last few years? Aside from that I fall into the same camp you do TK, I try my best to stay away from this type of thing as long as possible and spend my passion on other things more meaningful to my life. And besides, with all the crap we have to put up with on tv nowadays why in the world is 30 seconds gonna make any difference whatsoever? Get up and go take a leak.

by 15henson on Jan 26, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

i don't know...

i could be totally wrong, but the timing seems a little suspect to me. tebow hasn’t been in the news much since florida’s loss, his stock is definately falling as we speak, and it’s awfully convenient for something like this to jettison him back into the spotlight. anyone who’s watched tebow play football can probably see why he seems to be all about bringing attention to himself through his excessive celebration on the field (as well as “the speech” and all the other drama we’ve had to stomach over the past few years as dawgs fans). whether he actually feels strongly about these issues, i obviously can’t say, but i am convinced that this basically boils down to a publicity stunt on his part.

"Dum spiro spero"

by Bravely going forward on Jan 26, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

a friend of mine just made a good point: maybe it is tebow that is being used, in reality. i can certainly see that, as well. like i said, i can’t crawl in tebow’s head and know what he’s thinking/feeling, but, regardless, someone stands to gain from this. i just wonder who…

"Dum spiro spero"

by Bravely going forward on Jan 26, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You do realize how much it costs for a 30 second commericial during the SB right? Did you honestly think that comment through? Because I dont even understand where you are going with your assumptions. 1.) Do you think Tebow just wants to be in the spot light in general and will spend millions to ensure that happens? 2.)Do you think Tebow is doing this to get back in the spot light to help his draft stock?

Either one doesnt make sence…The commercial wasnt his idea and hes not paying for it, and this is most likely going to hurt his NFL future. Nobody stands to “gain” anything except for knowledge you may or may not have been aware of about abortion. Except for the network who is receiving payment for the commercial of course.

Your comment is wrong in so many ways, I doubt anything I could say would ever change your mind.
I can understand why people have tired of the Tebow saga, but this is just ridiculous.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 26, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

you may be right

but i’m obviously not the only one who thinks the timing is interesting

"Dum spiro spero"

by Bravely going forward on Jan 27, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The story in itself is the interesting part. The timing is only interesting if you have a anti-Tebow agenda to attend to.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 27, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

no agenda here, just an opinion you obviously don’t agree with, which is cool

"Dum spiro spero"

by Bravely going forward on Jan 27, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not anti-Tebow

From my perspective, it’s anti-Focus on the Family. The anti-Tebow part follows from his election to join forces with Focus on the Family.

by NCT on Jan 27, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Hook, I hear you and agree with you

There is no use arguing against people who refuse to make ethical decisions concerning the sanctity of life or stand responsible for the most intimate acts in their own personal lives. Obviously there are a ton of people out there who have sat in the rosy afterglow of an abortion. A local television station in the Orlando area ran a web poll last night and the results were 80% to 20% in support of Tebow and his mom. I do not believe Tim Tebow is in the minority on this issue. He simply faces a very vocal minority and does it largely alone because not enough of the silent majority make themselves heard. God bless you for speaking out.

by renegator on Jan 27, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Really

I find the issue more troubling because of what CBS is doing, not what Tebow did. Good for him putting his thoughts out there, though I disagree with them.

Instead, I find it troubling that a few years ago, CBS refused to air an ad by a church group that was positive towards homosexuals and was basically targeted to a disenfranchised minority group. To sum the ad up, it basically said something along the lines of “Jesus didn’t discriminate and neither do we.” CBS, in turning the ad down, said their reason for doing so was a historical commitment to avoiding politicizing the Superbowl, with an ad sure to bring down scorn from one part of the community (minority though it may be). What, then, is the rational for them to now ALLOW this ad that serves no purpose but to bring an issue that is undeniably political into the sporting arena?

If, which I assume is the case, they (CBS) have changed their policy, then make that known and I will have no problem with them running the ad. I will, however, be on the lookout for the next Superbowl in which that kind of divisive ad is the majority, not the headline grabbing minority.

CBS needs to clarify its position on this type of ad. If its now okay with them, just say so. If they’re making an exception for this ad, I’d like to know why.

by blackertai on Jan 26, 2010 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

CBS has announced that it has, in fact, changed its position and has “moderated” its position on advocacy advertising. Interesting timing, though, for this ad, when the horror of United Church of Christ welcoming gays and racial minorities to their church was too scary just a few years ago.

by NCT on Jan 26, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a fair point, blackertai

I don’t know if you will find the explanation satisfactory, but here is a report that addresses your question, with specific reference to the example cited by NCT.

NCT is right that the timing is interesting, although I would be surprised to learn that the CBS brass was made up of folks who agree with Tebow’s position or are anxious to risk the backlash from airing an ad that takes a minority viewpoint.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 26, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If that report is true

Then I’m fine with the move. As long as the rule is applied fairly and evenly, I have no problem with this. Tebow’s point may be wrong in my opinion, but he’s free to make it to as many as will listen.

But again, this will lead to worse and worse ads during the Superbowl. At least previously the stupid ads were for things like Snuggies and Slankits, now they’ll be ads for the NRA and PETA. Just what I want to hear about during the Superbowl.

by blackertai on Jan 27, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Kyle,

You’ve made a reasonable point about a divisive issue. Why can’t there be people in politics who do the same?

As a point of reference, I am a steadfast independent with libertarian leanings that is pro-life on a personal level but pro-choice on a political level in that I don’t think the government should involve themselves in the issue — not that there aren’t arguments for them to do so but that doing so would open a can of worms which they are ill-equipped to handle.

That being said, I’m not really sure what the fuss is about. If the commercial turns people off to Tebow so be it. On the other hand, anyone who is dissuaded from getting an abortion based on a commercial featuring Tim Tebow probably wasn’t going to anyway. Tebow has the right to make the commercial, CBS has the right to air it, and the women’s media group has the right to complain and boycott if they see fit (although something tells me most of them wouldn’t be watching the Super Bowl anyway).

Ya’ll know I would never shirk an opportunity to bag on the orange and blue clad football Messiah, but my feeling is that this is really much ado about nothing. Can’t we all just focus on St. Timmy’s inability to hold onto a snap in Senior Bowl practice?

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Jan 26, 2010 10:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I applaud your even-handed treatment of the issue...

… and willingness to address it at all.

Still, I wouldn’t even touch it with one of these:

by vineyarddawg on Jan 26, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

It's still not long enough

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by wwcmrd? on Jan 27, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Point X

That was a very interesting way to put it.

Maybe I am way out of line, but I wonder if point x would ever be established even if point x was scientificly proven. This may or may not be sarcastic.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 27, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks Kyle

Since CBS approved the script, I can’t imagine it will be offensive to the majority of the nation. Less than 1 in 5 Americans favor legal abortion “in all cases”, and I am confident that number would be much lower if you asked more specifically in month 9, month 8, etc. I think the whole thing is a tempest in a teacup. I have yet to meet a pro-choice football fan offended by the idea of the ad.

I have a lot of respect for the way you monitor the blog, unlike a few national sites for whom “no politics” means “no politics aside from those we favor.” As long as we could avoid talking about South Carolina, I would probably really enjoy conversing with you.

by GwinnettGamecock on Jan 27, 2010 1:06 AM EST reply actions  

Kyle,

I really don’t care if anyone responds or doesnt, or what they say to this, this is for you:

There is a Star Trek Next Generation Episode where Star Fleet has decided that Lt. Commander Data is a machine and therefore property and they want to take him in to study him. Obviously, the good people on the Enterprise object to this, but can’t go against their military chain of command. It is decided a trial would be held to decide Data’s fate. Captain Picard will defend that Data is own entity with the same rights as any other person. Unexpectantly, Commander Riker is chosen to prove Data is just a machine. THe two face off in court, making very solid arguments.

I am certain you remember this episode. But, of all things star trek, this line (going from memory) is what I remember often. It is Captain Picard’s closing argument. “What we are trying to decide here is if Commander Data has a soul. And, that is for him to decide.”

I consider that the untold argument in this debate. When does a baby, unborn or not, have a soul? Considering 95% of people or something like that believe in God, it seems that 95% would struggle with that piece the most. That’s where I ended up this 15 years later from our one time debate. I don’t know when I baby gets a soul, but I certainly don’t wont to be wrong about it.

I felt you would appreciate that reference, and probably could use it more eloquently than I, but it has stuck with me. And ultimately I think that is the battle people face internally, all these politics aside, and why it gets down to the subjective piece resulting in a logical next step you describe.

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by tankertoad on Jan 27, 2010 1:11 AM EST reply actions  

But I want to have kids after I finish college, or I am no longer with the father, and the condom broke…

The above statements is why people will never agree that a unborn baby has a “soul”, people will always adjust thier morals to satisfy thier conscience.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 27, 2010 6:24 AM EST up reply actions  

or vice versa

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 27, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember the episode well

In fact, a few years ago, someone sent me a law review article on “Law in ‘Star Trek’,” which dealt extensively with that episode. Between the original series and “The Next Generation,” there were a number of legal battles engaged in by the Enterprise crew.

This point is not original to me, but it bears repeating: Americans enjoy exercising their freedom of religion, their freedom of speech, and their freedom to bear arms. Although few Americans enjoy exercising their right to counsel or their right to trial by jury, they are grateful for these liberties while taking advantage of them and there are test cases in which defendants deliberately violate laws they wish to challenge in order to get the issue of the law’s validity before the courts.

Since 1973, when this right was recognized as a Constitutional guarantee, abortion has been the only Constitutional right that is always exercised with a heavy heart; no one enjoys availing themselves of it. What makes it challenging is the fact that it’s sad, all the time, for everyone involved. It never arises in a good situation, which is why Americans of good conscience wrestle with it, no matter where they ultimately fall. There are no easy answers.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 27, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

This PC stuff has gotten ridiculous ....

1. For the 1st time ever, I’m a Tebow fan. Glad he’s willing to take a stand – however unpopular it may be.

2. Why must everything be “tolerated” except Christianity?

3. Pro-Choice? The choice is to leave your pants and panties on.

It's a gas, gas, gas.

by Keith Richards on Jan 27, 2010 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

"Why must everything be "tolerated" except Christianity?"

I can see the steeples of eight Christian churches from my front yard. Every other weekend Christians come to my door to give me literature. There are entire cable/satellite channels devoted to Christianity, and there are hours of Christian programming on my local broadcast channels every week.

The President of the United States takes the oath of office with his hand on the Bible. I believe (though I could be wrong) that every president since Thomas Jefferson has been a Christian.

Explain to me why you don’t think Christianity is tolerated.

by CraigT on Jan 27, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Easy

It’s a persecution complex that Christians have held onto since the roughly 2, 2 1/2 centuries in which they were actively persecuted by the Romans. It’s an easy way to gain media traction “Oh, nobody likes Christians, everyone’s against us, put us on TV so we can bitch about it.”

We see this type of logic all the time in the religion department, when students come in with preconceived notions of how hard it is to be a Christian and blah blah blah everyone hates us blah blah blah. It gets old, but try convincing one they’re wrong about it (i.e., your rational discussion of how religion, specifically Christian religion, is in given a place of undeserved authority in everything our government and culture does now a days), and you’ll never get anywhere. Just let comments like this go.

by blackertai on Jan 27, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think "pro-life" is a matter of word choice

There’s nothing on the Focus on the Family Web site that says they oppose the death penalty or the invasion of Iraq. I have heard nothing about them protesting the war or holding vigils outside executions.

They oppose abortion. They are “anti-abortion” (and anti-stem-cell-research and anti-sex-education). They are not “pro-life”.

There are not, as far as I know, any groups that encourage abortion. There are groups that think that a woman should be able to have an abortion if she chooses to do so. That is, in fact, “pro-choice”, not “pro-abortion”. They don’t encourage women to get abortions. They want them to have the opportunity to.

These are accurate descriptions. They aren’t terms chosen to cast one side or the other in a bad light.

There are pro-life groups, like the Catholic Church. Focus on the Family is not one of them.

I’ve got no problem with Tebow doing this or the ads running.

I’m all for freedom of speech. What I don’t like is when people twist words to make what they do sound better (not just “pro life” but things like “collateral damage”). They should be called on it, and they should be called on it loudly. That’s what freedom of speech is for.

by CraigT on Jan 27, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Well...

There are arugments to be made that the death penalty and war can preserve more lives than they take, but that’s not worth getting into on a sports blog.

The fact is that both sides try to paint themselves in the best light with their terminology. If you wanted to be purely factual, “pro-choice” groups would be “pro-legalized abortion” groups, seeing as the only choice in question is whether or not to have an abortion. Likewise, “pro-life” groups would be called “anti-legalized abortion.” I doubt very much they are trying to preserve all life everywhere, after all.

by Biggus Rickus on Jan 27, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The "preserve more lives" argument

falls apart when it comes to stem cell research, and it also flies in the face of the religious claim that “life is sacred”. It also violates the teaching of Jesus, who told us that those of us without sin should throw the first stone at an execution, and that we should turn the other cheek when attacked.

Yes, pro-legalized-abortion and anti-legalized-abortion are the best descriptions. If we had to come up with a “pro” adjective for Focus on the Family, it would be “pro-fertilized-egg-and-unborn-fetus”. Unless the fetus happens to be inside a woman in a city we want to bomb. Then the fetus is “collateral damage”.

by CraigT on Jan 27, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going to get into an argument about hypocrisy from Christians...

I’m an agnostic, and while turning the other cheek sounds nice and all, I don’t think it is realistic or even necessarily moral. These are all very sticky moral dilemmas for most people. From abortion to war to the death penalty, even to stem cell research. I’m not going to play gotcha games because people can’t reconcile all of the issues involved with what their chosen religious text presents as general principles.

by Biggus Rickus on Jan 27, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Unless the fetus happens to be inside a woman in a city we want to bomb. Then the fetus is "collateral damage".

He shoots; he scores.

by NCT on Jan 27, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Since you seem to believe in universals,

lets think of choices that NARAL does not believe should be available to the public.

It is understood by the public at large that “pro-life” refers specifically to the abortion issue, just as it is understood that “pro-choice” is not synonymous with radical libertarianism.

Rational and fair discussion precludes calling one side by their preferred name, while allowing them to choose the label for their opponents. You can call it pro-life vs pro-choice, or pro-abortion vs. anti-abortion. Any attempt to mix and match is an attempt to frame the debate.

by GwinnettGamecock on Jan 27, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW ......

My girlfriend became pregnant with my oldest son and we could have very easily had an abortion and been done with it.

He’s now 19 and attending the Art Institute of Atlanta and the blessing of my life – no, he didn’t win a Heisman or MNC, like Tebow, but he’s a prize to us.

I don’t cast judgement on others, just saying …….

It's a gas, gas, gas.

by Keith Richards on Jan 27, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Excellent post, but....

My suspicion is that Tebow himself would reject most of what you have said. Has he ever said anything to indicate that he is capable of the type of reasoning demonstrated in this article? If I’m not mistaken, the only value judgement he made was to believe without hesitation whatever a certain group of people told him was the will of God. I don’t reckon he ever put any more thought into it than that, and that’s what rubs me the wrong way.

I would have no problem with Mr. King appearing in such an ad, because it would come from both the heart and the mind. Maybe I have it wrong, maybe Mr. Tebow has arrived at his positions after much soul searching and internal conflict, but I wouldn’t bet money on it. I have known too many extraordinarily well educated home schooled kids who believed some extraordinarily silly things when it came to religion.

by RickATL on Jan 27, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

"Has he ever said anything to indicate that he is capable of the type of reasoning demonstrated in this article?"

Far be it from me to defend Tebow (no, seriously; I’m throwing up in my mouth a little as I type this), but while the quote from Tebow in Kyle’s article doesn’t necessarily show reasoning, it does show that his attitude is reasonable. That’s more than I would have given him credit for before this.

Will

by wqueenjr on Jan 27, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure...

…if you mean the attitude of ’I’m going to stand up for what I believe even if it means sacrifice’. Not only is it reasonable, it’s truly admirable; it is certainly more courage in one’s convictions than I can muster. What is likely not admirable is why he believes what he does in the first place, and that’s why I think much of america will be doing a collective facepalm when it airs.

by RickATL on Jan 27, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It's pointless sacrifice though.

Why would he make this “sacrifice.” What does he stand to gain? He’s not even being challenged, so he’s not defending himself. And if he, or his stance, was being challenged, is it a worthy cause to defend oneself? Simply walking out into the street and getting hit by a bus does not make one a martyr.

On Team Speed Kills (the same post referenced by Kyle above), the supposition is made that the commercial may effect his draft status, causing him the loss of potential income (an opportunity cost, if you will). The first commenter says:

Shows that his beliefs are more important than money. Not too many people that hold to their beliefs that strongly. I think it’s a good thing.

to which I reply:

He can have both.
Not appearing in a commercial on a controversial subject shortly before the draft doesn’t make him believe it less. He can believe it all he wants, and still make the money in the NFL. The fact that he’s appearing in the commercial doesn’t show that his beliefs are more important than money. It shows that airing those beliefs are more important than money.

If this opportunity cost does exist, his appearance in that commercial is the direct cause of this cost, and the sacrifice (if you can call it that) is as pointless as I contend, then this whole thing can be chalked up to, “wearing it on his sleeve.” What “it” is can be interpreted any way you like, but wearing “it” on your sleeve does not make you bold, or courageous, or sacrificial, or a martyr.

by marktheshark on Jan 27, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If someone confronted you about doing a commericial about your personal beleifs and you knew you could lose your job because of it… would you say no?

I dont think people realize the Tebows were asked to do the commerical, he didnt go out of his way to get it on the air. Its bold, and courageous to say yes knowing it could really hurt his future.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 29, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a bit of a stretch, but a good point, nonetheless

I don’t believe Tim Tebow’s risk is between being drafted and not being drafted, so it’s an exaggeration to suggest he “could lose [his] job because of it.”

However, taking a stand on a controversial issue—-particularly on the side that public opinion polls show is the less popular point of view—-does carry the risk that his draft status will drop. He deserves credit for speaking his mind and running the risk of being drafted lower and, hence, being paid less money than he otherwise might have made. Clearly, he’s acting from sincere conviction, because a dispassionate cost-benefit calculation would have led him to a different conclusion. For that, he deserves considerable credit.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 29, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he wont be drafted because of the commercial. It might be a exaggeration to say he could lose his job because if he ends up getting cut after he is drafted, the commercial wont be the main reason.The commercial could be the nail in the coffin though.

So yea it just read better that way… If it made a significant impact on your near future including job security would you?

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by Hook85 on Jan 30, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

When athletes are politicized

it makes me uncomfortable. This bothers me on so many levels I cannot begin to express it in words. I’ll just leave it at that…but I will be watching.
 

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by DavetheDawg on Jan 27, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Oh wait....It's gonna get so much better

When things inevitably don’t work out for Tebow in the NFL, he will go the Heath Shuler route without question….although on the other side of the aisle obviously.

You know its coming…

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by RedCrake on Jan 27, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If an African-American can be elected to the highest office...

I don’t see why a Full-back can’t win as well.

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-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jan 27, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

And if your assertion proves correct...

Come visit me in Yellowknife.

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-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jan 27, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

OK. I get the Canada part, but Yellowknife?

To be fair, I haven’t been there, but I have been to Whitehorse, and Yellowknife is harder to get to.

I’d need to be no further than two hours north of Edmonton or the deal is off.

by CraigT on Jan 27, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow will never suceed in politics

His vocal delivery is sloppy, he had a habit of crying in public when hurt, and he was raised in a gimmicky religious system that hasn’t prepared him for the techniques employed by professional politicians.

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by wwcmrd? on Jan 27, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I never said he'd succeed....

But wouldn’t you just love to see that concession speech.

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by RedCrake on Jan 27, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

For a moment there...

I thought you said, “concussion speech.” Same difference?

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-Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Jan 27, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Is there a "The Promise" Mad Lib floating around the Internet somewhere?

If there was I’d post it re: wining the election rather than winning the NC. I’m too lazy to look it up and do all the changes myself; that speech has been parodied so many times someone has to have it in convenient fill-in-the-blanks format.

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by wwcmrd? on Jan 27, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm bored and have some time during my planning period...

so here you go with my best “The Promise” Election Night Loss Speech…

“To my fans and everybody in the Nation,
I’m sorry.
I’m extremely sorry.
We were hoping to be elected.
That was my goal.
Something a homeschooled crybaby has never done before.

I promise you one thing, a lot of good will come out of this.
You will never see any candidate in the entire country
campaign as hard as I will campaign in the next election.
You will never see someone push the rest of campaign staff
as hard as I will push everybody in the next campaign.

 You will never see a candidate work harder than I will in the next campaign. God Bless."

-Tim Tebow, Nov. 11, 2032

According to New York Times political editor, Meghan McCain, Tebow lost his chance to become president when unflattering photos of the former Florida governor surfaced which depicted a drooling Tebow circumcising previously circumcised Filipino boys. It is believed that the photos were leaked by former Tebow mentor, Urban Meyer. Meyer is said to have been motivated by a combination of jealousy and dementia brought on by numerous strokes he suffered during the 2010 college football season when he refused to “take a break.”

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by RedCrake on Jan 27, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Too funny!

Thanks for the bright spot in an all day meeting!

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Jan 27, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Relax guys

Tebow did not actually walk on water. He did however walk on UGA and Herschel’s record. Can we get back to subjects that we may be remotely equipped to discuss? Please hate Tim Tebow for the right reasons. I hate this time of year….How bout them agnostics?

by renegator on Jan 27, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't go there

Herschel played three eleven-game seasons in an era in which there was no SEC championship game and bowl statistics didn’t count. Using raw numbers involves an apples-to-oranges comparison more extreme even than crediting Roger Maris with breaking in 162 games a record set by Babe Ruth in 154 games or crediting O.J. Simpson with breaking in 16 games a record set by Jim Brown in 14 games. As far as “walking on Georgia,” the matchup of the Florida defense versus the Georgia offense had far, far more to do with both of Tebow’s wins over the Bulldogs than anything the Gator QB did.

Also, Herschel had a successful NFL career. So he’s got that going for him.

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by T Kyle King on Jan 27, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Apples to Oranges

There are as many ways to look at numbers as there are numbers. What are the odds of a quarterback being in position to even come close to the number of rushing TDs of a stellar fullback? Especially a back of the caliber of Herschel Walker. Everything is subjective and beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder or ticket holder. I almost knew you would spring to the defense of all that is holy in Ga. and I would have been sorely disappointed if you had not. I will retire to my work and fishing for the immediate future but I hope to irritate Dawg fans when fall approaches again. Until then, God bless all good folks and sent Tim Tebow something nice for Valentines Day.

by renegator on Jan 27, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

hater aid anyone

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by Hook85 on Jan 29, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, hes a young kid in his early 20’s. haha, is vocal delivery is sloppy. The term lol gets used a lot, but I really did this time.

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by Hook85 on Jan 29, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

DONT GET EVERYONES HOPES UP!

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Jan 29, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The right answer

There really is a simple answer to this debate folks: As a dawg fan, it’s clear that if Tebow believes it, it must be wrong… ;)

by Uga in DC on Jan 27, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

That is...

…+1 to Uga in DC’s observation.

Will

by wqueenjr on Jan 27, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Very good article/essay....

It was thoughtful and respectful, which is a rare when this subject is involved.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 27, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Kudos, Mayor.

This is exceedingly well-reasoned and well-written. But, of course, we have come to expect no less from you.

This is why my favorite amendment is the tenth amendment. It’s too bad is was found too distasteful a century and a half ago.

The dude abides.

by imarealist on Jan 27, 2010 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I’m all about me some Tenth Amendment . . . but, then, you knew that already, didn’t you?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 27, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the most important amendment.

Unfortunately, nobody seems to realize that anymore.

by vineyarddawg on Jan 27, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

This

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Jan 27, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine is the 9th...

But, since we live in a police state, and the Athena-from-the-head-of Zeus way it’s been used, it’s a mockery; too bad the constructionist crowd aren’t as willing to give this one its due :(

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 28, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

I can appreciate the recognition that sports is divisive in a sense, but only in the sense that we, as sports fans, cheer against each other. Sports are, however, unifying more than divisive. As cliche as it sounds, we as football fans are unified in our love of the game. We are unified in the sense that we often share the same or similar passion and love for our own team. We can recognize and appreciate an opposing fan’s feelings after a big win or a crushing defeat because we have felt that same feeling.

As a trial lawyer (NOT LITIGATOR), I share a love and passion for the law that is, hopefully, shared by my opponents. Though we are divided in terms of our positions in any case, we are hopefully united in our passion for our chosen careers.

Politics and abortion in particular is completely different. Everyone has a visceral reaction when asked their position on abortion. This is because this question goes to the very heart of one’s morals, one’s values, and one’s philosophy on life, god and religion. Many people take stances on abortion that they cannot explain; in a way, it is just a feeling they have that is a product of their religious upbringing or uber liberal parents — a product of their core being. It reflects their values.

When my position on abortion or when my core values clash with another’s it is divisive in a way completely unlike the division between two fans of opposing teams. My hate for Tennessee fans is unlike the hate surrounding the abortion debate.

Bottom line: the Superbowl is not the place to discuss abortion. A 30 second ad spot does not do the debate justice. A complicated, gut-wrenching decision cannot and should not be boiled down to a commercial following a Budweiser ad. I want to keep debates about my values kept between me, my family, and my god and I want my sports to be interrupted by beer ads.

by WindyCityDawg on Jan 27, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Furthermore, has anyone pointed out how such an ad is productive? What new information is being presented? This is not a nuanced scientific topic, it’s cut and dried. Unless there are people out there who don’t realize that fetuses who aren’t aborted can grow up to play football, I’m not really seeing the insight that is being provided.

by RickATL on Jan 27, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I see where you're coming from, WindyCityDawg . . .

. . . but, speaking just for me, I’ve never come close to getting into a fistfight with someone who disagreed with me over a political issue, but, on more than one occasion during my younger days, I came closer than I’d care to admit to getting into physical altercations with opposing football fans wearing orange.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 27, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Politics & Football

Politics involve well-reasoned thoughtful logical arguments. Football requires unbridled passion, and undying love, both of which are rooted not in logic, but in emotion. As emotional creatures most humans are more likely to be violent over an emotional issue than a logical one.
Even Spock was stirred to violence once in a movie over an emotional issue.

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Jan 27, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a nice theory

but I see politics increasingly driven by passion that flies in the face of thought and logic, driven by politicians and TV and radio hosts who have figured out that pushing certain buttons will get them elected, make them rich, or both.

by CraigT on Jan 28, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I see your point

…but it does not change the fact that murders, violence, arson, and bombings have plagued the abortion debate while those things just don’t go on amongst us fans of opposing SEC teams.

by WindyCityDawg on Jan 27, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Those despicable actions are the handiwork of a tiny handful of extremists . . .

. . . and there are plenty of instances of sports-related violence, from the fan who shot a rival fan for refusing to pay up after losing a bet on the big game to European soccer riots.

Violence is not the norm in either instance, and people get just as heated in their passion for their sports teams as they do for their political beliefs. I’m quite firm both in my sports loyalties and in my political opinions, but I’m a lot less likely to lose my cool in a debate over public policy than I am in an argument over athletics. If you favor the income tax, I just think you’re wrong; if you root for Clemson, Lewis Grizzard thinks our football rivalry pits our way of life against yours.

Maybe that’s just me, but I don’t see the common love of the game being any more unifying in sports than the common love of the country (which I hope we all credit both Democrats and Republicans with sharing) is in politics.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 27, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sports unify in certain circumstances

Usually when it’s “our team” vs. “their team” on a national level. For example, the US Olympic Basketball “Dream Team” or the 198x US Olympic Hockey team. In those circumstances it was “us” – US Citizens vs. “them” the rest of the world.
Works the same way among siblings – I can pick on my little brother, but you better not let me hear that you did.

I think Charlie Daniels put it best in “In America” -
“From the sound up in Long Island out to San Francisco Bay,
and ev’ry thing that’s in between them is our home.
And we may have done a little bit of fighting amongst ourselves,
but you outside people best leave us alone.
Cause we’ll all stick together and you can take that to the bank.
That’s the cowboys and the hippies and the rebels and the yanks.
You just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan
and I think you’re gonna finally understand.”

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Jan 28, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Discussions of Violence Chill Speech

Even if we grant the premise that “murders, violence, arson and bombings have plagued the abortion debate,” it does not follow that we should stop the debate.

But I believe that your premise is false, as T Kyle shows. Violence related to abortion gets a lot of press, but is it really widespread? How many examples can you name? How many examples of sport’s related violence can you name? How big is the difference? Is that difference justified by the relative moral importance of the subjects?

Moreover, I fear that a link between a “debate” and “violence” will be presented as a reason not to hold the debate. The effect of this assertion would be to entrench the status quo without having to provide a justification for the status quo.

by first and thom on Jan 28, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

Violence does chill speech, which we should not and cannot stand for. I guess my point, which is quickly being refuted, is that the divide between opposing fans in sports is fundamentally different than the divide between individuals with particular views on abortion. Sure, there are many completely rational people on both sides of the debate that can have civil, engaging, and enlightening conversations about the topic. But I believe those conversations should be held in the appropriate context: amongst your family, in your church, and between you and your god. To me, there is something about this ad that cheapens the debate or places it on a level where it shouldn’t be. Then again, I have always been repulsed by 30 second political spots, regardless of which party is on the television.

by WindyCityDawg on Jan 28, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

First...

you’re way too human to be a paleoconservative: Thoughtfullness like this died with Buckley. (I jest).

Second, even as foaming, radical redistributionist, I agree in most respects. It is a matter of his conscience, and he’s free to manufacture whatever advertising the shills will pay him for. Just as it is my right to vote with my wallet, and eschew CBS for clear violation of their own policies and the creation of a clear double standard on what they are labeling “political” advertising. And, that’s just what I will do, and will do so without malice, rather based upon my own conscience.

Marketplace of ideas and all that.

"Hush now, let it go now. I know it's time to go. Time to let this fall from my hands" VNV Nation, "From My Hands"

by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 28, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Why Now?

The key point – that some have made apparent is this – CBS has always refused to air issue or advocacy ad. Just six years ago, CBS turned down an ad submitted by the United Church of Christ that highlighted the liberal denomination’s acceptance of homosexuals and others who might feel shunned by more conservative churches. It has also turned down ads by organizations such as PETA and MoveOn.org.

WHY TEBOW AND THIS NOW!?

by KCDawg34 on Jan 28, 2010 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

That's sorta my point....

and the point that I am, and over 200 lawyas’ in Omaha, will be making with our wallets….Do the Dominionist schtick: That’s fine. We won’ t watch, and you won’t get our dollars. And, better yet, we won’t even see your crappy commercial.

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 28, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW: Good job highlighting

the refusal of CBS to air UCC ads…And, MoveOn….

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by Stuck in the Plains on Jan 28, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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