I call BS on Tim Tebow
I arrived home soaked to the skin at 1:30 a.m. and I haven't turned on a television yet, but it is safe to suppose that ESPN is covering Tim Tebow's concussion like it was Michael Jordan's hall of fame induction. I'm sure you've heard about it and I'm sure you'll join me in hoping that the young man makes a complete recovery on November 1.
In the meantime, though, the legend of Tebow is being fueled by this event (which distinguishes it not at all from every other event in Tebow's life), and I have been reminded of a far more serious injury to Georgia's Richard Vonalbade Gammon in 1897.
Gammon suffered what proved to be fatal injuries in a game against Virginia in the era before the forward pass was legalized. Contemporary accounts of the contest were harrowing in their description of his injuries, which led not just to his death but also very nearly to the outlawing of the gridiron game in the Peach State.
Legend holds that Gammon was carried from the field while uttering these words: "A Georgia man never quits!" This is all very stirring and inspiring, but there's no way it's true. Reports published at the time indicate pretty clearly that Gammon could not speak in the immediate aftermath of his injuries and that he went downhill quickly after that. He didn't utter a word.
I was reminded of Von Gammon's apocryphal words when I read this load of crap, straight from the mouth of Urban Meyer: "He asked me ’Did I hold onto the ball?' I told him he did and he winked at me and said ’It’s great to be a Gator."’
Oh, no, he di'n't! If Tebow was dealt a blow that left him with a concussion requiring him to be carted off the field, whisked away in an ambulance, and held overnight for observation, he wasn't engaging in any such conversations with his coach.
I hope Tebow recovers because I'm not so mercenary in my fandom that I would ever wish for an 18-to-22-year-old college student to suffer an illness or an injury, but, if you believe he was winking and saying how great it was to be a Gator after getting his bell rung, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you. That's make-believe garbage that not even a Florida SID could buy.
Go 'Dawgs!
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Don't be so hard on Tebow or the media's coverage of him.
I’m very sorry he is a Boogereater, but he’s the only class in that organization AND he is almost as valuable to them as AJ Green is to us. Without AJ, the Dogs would be 0-4 this year. Oh, yeah, and Tebow was ripped off when he didn’t win last year’s Heisman also__the media owes him one.
by Jujdog on Sep 27, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that no one is saying that he should not have been in the game....
Tebow should have been riding the bench after the first quarter…when it was 31-0 with 2.5 min remaining. Instead he pads his stats for 2 more quarters and suffers an injury. The one part that no one seems to be mentioning is that once you get a concussion, you are extremely more likely to get another one. So how well will that play out for Fl that their star RB and QB could get knocked out of the game every time he tucks it and runs…Tebow better hope he is lucky, I think he accounted for nearly 60% of the run game against Tenn., look for that to continue vs LSU. If they lose to LSU the excuse will be the concussion, not that Urban is too stupid to protect his precious at all costs. I mean if I’m riding a guy into the ground every game, I think I am smart enough to realize that once a game gets out of hand to pull him. NFL scouts don’t care how you look vs a team you can score 100 pts on. If they wana see that they can watch you throw against air.
by Merk on Sep 27, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's not what UF is all about.....
C’mon you know why Tebow was still in the game-the game was 31-0 not 60-0!
After the low scoring affair with UT the week before-Urban was gonna prove to everyone that the Gators could score at ease…. Especially after the media was praising ‘Bama as the #1 team in the land…. As far as the comments made by Tebow after the hits…“It’s great to be a Gator” probably true-that meathead didn’t know what was going on-most likely had his pre/post game speeches confused!
by Dawgrees on Sep 27, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on now
You would pull him as soon as the game got out of hand? You do realize that he would end up playing about a quarter of a season? He already sat out more than 3 quarters in the first two games. He had very few series against Tennessee since UT basically went into the four corners offense from the opening kickoff. And then you would have pulled him in the first quarter against Kentucky?
He is a senior and he deserves to play ball and needs to play in games to work on the offense with our weak receiving corps. Don’t worry – Tebow will be back for the UGA game.
by skigator93 on Sep 27, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely and truthfully hope he will...
… and that he’ll be back to 100%.
I’d hate for you guys to have another excuse when you get beaten. (Though I’m sure Corch Meyers will come up with one.)
I hate Florida.
by vineyarddawg on Sep 27, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what exactly do you mean by "another" excuse?
I’m not following.
I cannot remember Meyer making a single excuse after any loss he has coached at the University of Florida.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read vineyarddawg's comment more closely, skigator93
He wrote: “I’d hate for you guys to have another excuse when you get beaten.” I’d have used “y’all,” but he was referring to the fans (and probably the media), from whom we heard quite a lot of excuse-making about Tim Tebow’s sore shoulder after 2007.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow injured the shoulder at Kentucky
AFTER that game, we averaged 44.8 points per game, including 30 in the UGA game. Our losses to UGA and Michigan that season (the 2 occurring after UK)had absolutely nothing to do with Tebow’s shoulder and everything to do with a young porous defense that couldn’t stop anyone – giving up nearly 28 points per game. The defense gave up 42 to UGA and 41 to Michigan.
No excuses – we got beat fair and square by better teams. I would call out any of my fellow Gator fans or reporters for making that argument (and I have). It is ridiculous.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been my experience that you're in the minority among Gator fans.
After the 2007 Georgia loss, all I heard on ESPN and from my acquaintances who are Florida fans was how Tebow’s shoulder was more hurt than he let on, and that’s why they couldn’t score enough to make up for their defensive lapses.
Georgia fans don’t handle defeat well, to be sure… but I don’t know of a Georgia blogger that has descended into this level of absolute depression and rage over a setback on the field.
It seems to me that, yourself excluded, y’all’s fan base just can’t say, “We got beat by a better team today.”
by vineyarddawg on Sep 28, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to mention this...
… but that first link is way, way not safe for work… or if you have children watching over your shoulder… or if you are particularly fond of Wilford Brimley and don’t want an incredibly objectionable image involving Mr. Diabeetus seared into your mind.
by vineyarddawg on Sep 28, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got that right
I haven’t been able to think of “Our House” the same way since.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that's true
You’ll forgive me if I fail to see the relevance of that point to the present discussion.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow wasn’t carted off the field. He got up and walked to the sideline. Evidently he started getting nauseous after he got to the sideline and they took him to the hospital. It’s not a stretch to believe he was communicating on the field.
by mdhenshaw on Sep 27, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say it was a stretch
Just judging by the look on his face, he wouldnt have been able to tell a football from a pair of ballet slippers at the time.
by SG Standard on Sep 27, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow looked like he couldn’t even tell you his name.
That story is a pile of BS.
by Muckbeast on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's my point
I’m not trying to be rough on Tim Tebow, and I’m sorry this happened to him.
If Urban Meyer says that exchange happened, though, Urban Meyer is lying.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 27, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i couldn't agree more.
this comment is almost as bad as the florida spokesman who insisted tebow was fine and “just got his bell rung.” this attitude diminishes the gravity of suffering a serious concussion. the fact is a concussion – particularly one as brutal as tebow suffered – is a life-threatening injury and should be treated as such.
and the fact this is treated in such a blase manner at the college level bodes very badly for the common perception of the problem among high school and even younger players (which is already horrible enough).
we look back on the era of denying players fluids during practice as backwards and dangerous. we are very likely going to do the same in a few decades looking back on the current era’s asinine perception toward catastrophic head injuries. my feverent hope is that florida’s athletic department will pull its head out of its ass and use this horrible incident to draw some much needed attention to a serious problem.
by kleph on Sep 27, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
completely agree. rec’d.
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by brandonh on Sep 27, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know there were so many doctors on these blogs!
Not to mention doctors so telented that they can diagnose the severity of a concussion by watching a replay on ESPN. Don’t read so many news sources – all the talk about a “serious concussion” was unfounded. He was released from the hospital and allowed to fly about 12 hours after being admitted. That doesn’t sound like the “serious” type of concussion, although I would say any concussion is a serious one.
by skigator93 on Sep 27, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any time someone’s knocked out, it’s a serious concussion. you don’t have to be a doctor to know that, buddy
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 28, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I must have missed the part when you were on the field with the trainers assessing Tebow and learned for a fact that he was knocked out.
Let’s just assume for a second that you were there and, in fact, did see him unconscious. According to the American Academy of Neurology as set forth in this article
The American Academy of Neurology Web site describes a Grade 1 concussion as the athlete having transient confusion with no loss of consciousness. A Grade 2 concussion is when those symptoms, including mental confusion, lasts longer than 15 minutes, and a Grade 3 concussion is when there is any loss of consciousness, even if it is for just seconds.
A player with a Grade 1 concussion can return to play the same day, while a Grade 3 concussion may require a player to be out for a full week.
So maybe 2 weeks will be enough time for him to recover. Who knows? I still think we should leave it to the people who went to medical school.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go ahead and keep that chip on your shoulder, and while you’re at it, go ahead and send ol’ tebow out there a.s.a.p., you won’t get any complaints here.
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 28, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and if you want him to be back out there in 2 weeks, you better rethink that train of thought unless you want a dead hall-of-famer on your hands.
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chips here
Just thought we might want to trust doctors over bloggers on medical conditions.
Meyer thinks Tebow is doing well so far which is great to hear. But let’s wait for the doctor’s reports.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and your second comment
is just plain uncalled for.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re kidding me, right? you want him out there in 2 weeks?
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you calling for a young guy to run out there immediately after suffering a major concussion is just plain uncalled for
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Sep 28, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So 2 weeks is "immediately now?"
Glad you don’t work with me.
But I digress – Yes to answer your question. If the doctors say he is fine to play in two weeks because he has fully recovered than I absolutely want him out there. Why would a fully recovered player take more time off?
And yet again, nobody with an “M.D.” after their name has indicated that he suffered a “major concussion.”
You should stop kidding yourself like you really care about Tebow and just admit that you are hoping that the Gators will lose a game and think that is more likely to happen with him not playing, It’s okay.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, T. Kyle, the title should have been "I call B.S. on Urban
Meyer." On THAT, I second the motion. I agree with SG Standard and Muckbeast as posted above, and I commented at the time he was shown on the sideline to my wife that “Tebow doesn’t know where he is.” Once, when I was in the 9th grade at Worth County High School, a cornerback who had made a hard hit came up to Tommy Lawhorne and slapped him on the helment and said, “Hey, boy, who are we playing.” He thought he was playing in the Tifton game when it was the Americus game, two weeks after the Tifton game. Concussion from hitting Dan Reeves was the cause of his confusion.
by Jujdog on Sep 27, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point
I also could have gone with “I call BS about Tim Tebow.”
Unfortunately, headline-writing sometimes has to be done with search engine optimization in mind, which sometimes causes the headline to convey the wrong impression. My bad.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 27, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
off topic...
I was watching the Georgia game at a bar here in Sarasota, FL and the look of horror on Gators fans was amazing. A loud bar went silent.
by mdhenshaw on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to believe that . . .
Urban Meyer would lie to us. Mainly because none of us runs a 4.4. forty or has any playing eligibility left.
Actually, having suffered a football-related concussion I could believe the first part. I think my first words after somersaulting through the air after an interception and landing on the crown of my head were “did I get it?”. I then tried to walk off the sideline and into the locker room because when they told me “you’re done” my misfiring synopses heard “practice is over.” Only after being told about it later did I begin to recall anything that happened in the ensuing 24 hours. Unless you’ve ever been truly and righteously concussed, it is hard to explain what it’s like.
Which brings up a larger point. After the concussion I suffered I don’t think I was the same for at least 3 weeks, and I wasn’t trying to run the Florida Gator offense. It will be interesting to see how Tebow progresses.
by MaconDawg on Sep 27, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m waiting for UF to commission a Norman Rockwell-type painting of the event.
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by DavetheDawg on Sep 27, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tebow talking
Coming from a guy who has had a major bell ringing like Tebow suffered. He wasnt saying anything other than maybe would somebody answer the phone. As far as Hey coach did I hold on to the football I doubt that very much. He would have been lucky to know he was even at a football game. The best thing I took away from last night was the terror in the eyes of the Gator Nation, tells you alot about what the remainder of the season might look like if the GLORY BOY cant return. I hope he does because I dont want to hear any excuses from the cry babies.
by Dawg from Michigan on Sep 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From the looks of it, Tebow suffered a major concussion
Even with minor concussions players are less than cognizant. Watching him puke into that bag (after being unconscious as long as he was) is empirical proof that he had a major concussion. I’ve always thought that Urban Meyer was obnoxious, but this is a new low.
Sorry, Coach, but your attempt to spin this one is pathetic. Your superstar player took a shot he didn’t need to take because of your hubris and arrogance.
MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--
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by Bamagrad on Sep 27, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
You can hear it in these words and you can see it in him during the post-game presser. Urban realizes the enormity of what his ego has caused. Up 24 late in the 3rd and he drops Tebow back to throw a pass…??
Save your spin Slurban. You eff’d up.
by berniedawg on Sep 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh - we were up 31 in the first quarter
Does that mean all our starters should only play 1 quarter per week now.
By the way – UF fans looked on in horror because our best player and one of the greatest college players of all time was motionless down on the field. We were concerned for a young man who is not only the face of our university, but a pretty good person as well.
Anyway, I am glad that you took joy in seeing our horror. I will now enjoy it a little more when Tebow erases your most legendary player’s name from the SEC career rushing TD record.
And for the record, we can win games with Brantley if need be. We have a pretty decent defense. So even if our offense is held to 13 points, we still have a good shot at winning.
by skigator93 on Sep 27, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about the injury to Mr. Tebow
However, the SEC career rushing TD record that Hershcel holds is not a big deal. Why? Because it was accomplished in only three seasons, AND because numerous times he was taken out of the lineup near the goal line so other players could get the TD (this was ususally in games that were not close).
Over four years, and in an environemnt of padding statistics, Herschel could easily have had over 70 touchdowns.
Despite all this, I hope Mr. Tebow has a rapid recovery and a long and fruitful career in whatever field he chooses. I wish more players and students were more like him.
by Vinings Dog on Sep 27, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on all counts, Vinings Dog
There’s also the fact that only 33 of Herschel’s games counted. He played in the era of 11-game regular seasons, no conference championship games, and bowl games that didn’t count towards a player’s season statistics. Straight numerical comparisons between today and 25 years ago are nearly meaningless because of all the variables.
That said, I do hope Tebow recovers fully. I dislike the team for which he plays, but I bear him no ill will personally and, to repeat, I would never cause my fandom to reach such a level that I ever hoped for or celebrated an injury to a college student.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood
Some good points made – especially with the 11 game schedule. I really have nothing against Herschel and was always a big fan of his. I was only drawing the comparison because Tebow is our Herschel – the best the school has ever seen. Some of my comments on this thread are probably a little harsh coming from a visiting fan, but I imagine that you would feel as passionate if we were talking about a Herschel injury.
I think if you go back and check the annuls, you’ll find that Herschel compiled plenty of stats and TDs in games which were over at the time. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that either. He deserved to play in the games.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Misunderstood
Just to clarify skigator93, I took absolutely no joy in seeing Tebow get knocked out of the game. I’m not that kind of fan. And I understand your point about playing Tebow at the time. I don’t expect Urban to sit the 1st and 2nd teamers at the end of the 1st quarter. But the play called put Tebow at great risk at a point in the game when the reward of such a risk was truly minimal. I don’t pretend to know Coach Meyer better than you. But I would suspect seeing the team’s leader laying there motionless had to be a gut-wrenching, soul-searching, humbling experience. As it would be for any coach in that position.
by berniedawg on Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
Up 24 late in the 3rd and Tebow reportedly had an upper respiratory infection.
NO REASON to still be in the game. If he was sick and the Gators had that much of a lead with that little time left, Tebow should have been sitting and resting up for the next one.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 28, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had 2 weeks to rest up for the next one
He was due to come out after that drive – Corch Meyers said he wanted to get him 8 drives for the game. That was the 8th.
the upper respiratory thing is immaterial – it obviously wasn’t affecting him.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I agree that he should have been out of the game.
In retrospect, it’s easy to say that Tebow should have been benched by then.
It was still the 3rd quarter, however, and the drive in question started with around 8:00 left on the clock. At that time, there was almost 30% of the game still left to play, and Florida was only 4 scores ahead. If UK gets a turnover for a TD, and a couple of good drives put together… they’re only down by a field goal.
In this situation, I think it would have been reasonable to keep Tebow in until the 4th quarter. Then we could start complaining about how Corch Meyers was running up the score.
I hate Florida.
by vineyarddawg on Sep 28, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If UK gets a turnover for a TD, and a couple of good drives put together they’re only down by a field goal."
LOL!!!! You couldn’t have been watching the same game as I was! ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 29, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can I say...
… except that I grew up during the Dooley/Munson era, where Georgia was never more than 3 or 4 big plays away from allowing a team like Western Carolina to get back in the game (when we were up 45-3).
by vineyarddawg on Sep 29, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was sick, too!
They were up 31-0 with four minutes left in the third and the Franchise, who had to be flown in separately because he was sick, was still in. This isn’t baseball! If you take him out and KY scores 30 points in four minutes you could still put him back in.
by rbubp on Sep 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the sick thing is irrelevent
He had the sniffles and on a flu-scared team, that means you fly up separately. There were a slew of players who flew up on the “sick plane.” Based on his level of play, it didn’t seem to be affecting his abilities at all.
And not to be a stickler, but it was 31-7 with 4 minutes to go in the third. It was 31-0 in the first quarter. You really can’t take a guy out in the first quarter – he deserves the right to play some football.
by skigator93 on Sep 29, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about taking him out in the first quarter?
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by kidbourbon on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of context
For starters love your writing Kyle even though i pull for the mighty Gators. That being said i think tebow and meyers remarks are being pulled out of context. First like the media usually does those comments made are but a minute portion of their over all conversation. Also its out of context by us not being on the field with them as the conversation spilled out. Meyer knows how much being a gator means to tebow and appealed to it, I think, just like mark richt probably told reggie brown after auburn rung his bell not too long ago. http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/tim-tebow-sustains-concussion-during-florida-gators-41-7-win-over-kentucky/1039467 here is the link to more of their conversation.
by benjaminv on Sep 27, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
am I missing something?
The video shows the ball on the ground and a UK player picking it up. But I assume it was reviewed and he was deemed down first?
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by BCDawg97 on Sep 27, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another libelous attack on Urban Meyer's character from T. Kyle King
What a surprise!
How on Earth would you know what was or was not said?
This is the height of arrogance.
by wangalusa on Sep 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, the height of arrogance might just be
expecting an obvious homer blog/blogger to be fair about a rival. I mean, GFY.
Furthermore, T. Kyle may be biased, but Corch Meyers’ reputation as a punk arsehole is not limited to this here part of the internets:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/090925&sportCat=ncf
While Jemele Hill’s essay is not about Tim Tebow, I think the rest of the world pretty much knows that Tim Tebow exists only for the purpose of cementing the legend of Corch Urban Meyers. Todd McShay has certainly pointed out very recently just how ill-prepared for reading NFL defenses the Great Meyers Mentor has rendered The Son Of—I mean, why teach him anything if he’s just going to leave?, and the whole landscape has knows that THIS IS WHY YOU DON’T USE YOUR QB AS A FULLBACK.
Unless you’re Corch Urban Meyers, of course, in which case the end always justifies the means, and there will never be any use for disposable players for any purpose other than bashing their heads in so you can win 57-2 and demonstrate for everyone just what it is like to be so big and so small at the same time.
by rbubp on Sep 27, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow - you mean other teams hate Meyer too?
I seem to remember the same opinion about Spurrier when he was at UF and used to take everyone to the woodshed. But now that he is at S. Carolina and doesn’t win as much, he’s not so bad, right?
by skigator93 on Sep 27, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're all cut from the same jort cloth.
Trade a visor for a leaky zooker for a pretend pope. Whatever.
by rbubp on Sep 28, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's try and keep it at "they're" rather than "you're"
Feel free to rip on Gator coaches all you like, and on the Florida fan base generally, but don’t lump skigator93 in with the worst element of that fan base. He’s got a track record here that’s earned him a little bit more deference than that.
By all means, disagree with him where you think he’s wrong and be critical of the Gators where it’s deserved. Let’s just not group the good Florida fans in with the rest.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I dislike Spurrier just as much now as I did when he was at Florida. The only thing that keeps me from wishing that Spurrier would go 0-12 at South Carolina is the fact that such a season would knock Florida out of its tie for second place among current SEC teams with the most zero-win seasons in their history.
I hate Florida.
by vineyarddawg on Sep 28, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually liked Spurrier because he had personality
Personality goes a long way.
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by kidbourbon on Sep 29, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bwahahaha
wangalusa is funny.
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by kidbourbon on Sep 27, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I’d like to believe that Tebow actually had a conversation with Urban, Maurkice Pouncey said Tebow was talking on the sideline, so at least Tebow talking is accurate. As for Urban and UF staff sugar coating Tebow’s injury, you’re right. Florida is the absolute worst on revealing injury information. They use a federal law that guarantees privacy for college records to avoid telling media outlets of football injuries. I believe they started this in 2003, when they claimed Chris Leak was concussed against Miami (he just had a headache and Zook panicked, playing all three QBs). The Florida UAA takes their public relations strategy from the Iraqi Information Ministry.
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by mlmintampa on Sep 27, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just got word from Orson . . .
. . . that the forthcoming alphabetical will be taking me to task for the foregoing fanshot, which ought to be great for site traffic and lousy for my already sinking standing in the blogosphere.
Ah, well . . . after having publicly disagreed with Peter Bean and Matt Hinton, and after having drawn criticisms from Brian Cook on more than one occasion, I figured I’d better incur the wrath of Senor Swindle so I could hit for the blogosphere cycle. What’s next . . . having Will Leitch pound me to a bloody pulp with a tire iron?
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Never you mind
about those boys – we still love you, and besides that, you were 100% correct – big ole wussies.
by podunkdawg on Sep 28, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I randomly met Will Leitch in a bar when I went to St. Louis
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 28, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is only because of the title
as stated earlier, if the title would have indicated that your accusation was aimed at Meyer instead of an injured student, it probably wouldn’t have drawn as much attention. However, you’ve already explained the title, which made perfect sense to me.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, skigator93
The headline was an error on my part. I should have made it clear that I wasn’t taking a shot at Tebow. That was my fault.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can always recover
by picking a fight with Buzz Bisinger.
by GwinnettGamecock on Sep 28, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well done, GwinnettGamecock
I like your thinking.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Corch Liar wants Tebow to fail in the NFL.
Why? Because then people will stop saying “Florida won two (three?) titles because they had the best college player in a couple decades.”
If Tebow flops in the NFL, Corch Liar can believe it was more about him and less about Tebow.
by Muckbeast on Sep 28, 2009 3:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 28, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with jd, Muckbeast
If Urban Meyer is about anything beyond his own aggrandizement, it is about recruiting and winning championships. It does him no good on the recruiting trail (and, hence, hurts him in games down the road) if Tim Tebow fails in the NFL. Alex Smith’s shortcomings at the next level certainly do not serve him well (although I doubt if they hurt him too much). Look at the traction we’ve gotten from Matthew Stafford being the No. 1 pick. If Tebow makes it big as a professional, that’s nothing but good for Corch Meyers.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well put Kyle...
kids care about going to the NFL (see Teddy Bridgewater from Miami), especially elite caliber QBs. If Tebow fails in the NFL like Alex Smith has, Meyer better pray John Brantley reverses the trend or else he’ll have trouble recruiting the Bridgewater’s and others he’ll need to keep their program at the level they demand.
by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I have to believe that little says “FAIL” to a five-star recruit like another program pointing out that a school’s system and coaches don’t produce NFL-caliber players. If players at that level really would rather to play for the simple love of the game rather than the NFL, and get an education too, they can go to Vandy, Rice, or Duke.
Alex Smith is one, Chris Leak is 1.5, and Tebow will be number two-plus because of what will be a high-profile low selection and comments from McShay and Kiper about lack of understanding of pro-style offenses and defenses as well as obvious physical limitations. And no one yet on the other tally.
Keep up the good work, Corch. Notre Dame will start looking better and better soon enough.
by rbubp on Sep 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess that doesn't bode well for UGA recruiting QBs then
Wasn’t the last successful UGA quarterback in the NFL Fran Tarkenton?
And I hope you still don’t take stock in anything Mel Kiper says.
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take stock in some things Mel Kiper says
For instance, he says that Tebow’s game will not translate to the NFL. I take stock in that….because it’s true.
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by kidbourbon on Sep 29, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you seriously underestimate how much a man like Corch Liar wants it to be all about him, and not the player.
He isn’t the first coach to have that attitude, and it is not kept entirely to college football.
by Muckbeast on Sep 28, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that argument
I don’t believe past NFL success at specific positions matters in the least in college recruiting. Who was the last great Gator NFL receiver in the NFL? Yet, we continue to sign the Percy Harvins and Andre Duboses. Sure high school kids want to play in the NFL and they want to go to schools where they can showcase their talents on national television in big championship games. I don’t think they say “this team’s all stars haven’t fared well on the next level so I should look elsewhere.”
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
his offense is suited to WRs...
and Reidel Anthony, Jabar Gaffney, Ike Hilliard, etc have all at least made rosters, had solid careers, and been decent draft picks.
And recruiting WRs for the University of Florida is kind of like finding grass on a baseball field, not as though you are lacking options now are you?
by Mr. Sanchez on Sep 28, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some positions are more important than others.
And some players in those positions will look more closely at the leadership than others.
by rbubp on Sep 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends
There’s no question recruits look at how well a school does at putting players in the NFL. Whether they look at how successful those players are when they get there is open to debate.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
The NFL thing is a total smoke screen. NFL success is nice and all, but there is no direct correlation between teams with NFL success and top recruiting classes.
Recruiting is primarily about the people doing the job, their ability to sell the school to the kids, and the success of the program.
The kids themselves already think they will be in the NFL, so they don’t need some school to get them there. The top players are already convinced they will play in the NFL anyway. They want a school that will be fun and will win.
Winning games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting players into the NFL.
by Muckbeast on Sep 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
1. Tebow was not ‘whisked away in an ambulance’ but sat on the sidelines for quite some time drinking Gatorade.
2. Alex Smith is playing well for the Niners who had almost beat the Vikes until Favre ruined it for them.
3. Harvin is fast becoming a major cog in the Vikes offense. 101 yard KO return for a TD yesterday.
4. I remember watching the first old ‘Faces of Death’ movie. A guy tries to jump a river in a jet-powered Lincoln. As soon as the car left the top of the 8-story ramp, it disintegrated. The roll cage crashed into the river breaking the guy’s spine and concussing his head. When they pulled him out of the river, all he could say was “Did I make it?” So, I don’t really have a hard time believing that Tebow would say what he said.
5. What I do have a hard time believing is why anyone would care enough to call another person a liar and even get angry about it.
When I was in Athens several years ago to watch the Dawgs beat the crap out of LSU, I found the fans to be really nice and I had a great time at the block party after the game. To say you ‘hate’ another team is a sign of immaturity and a small mind. I saw an Auburn player put an obvious dirty chop-block on Glen Dorsey, but I don’t hate Auburn. If a team plays dirty, it is the player’s or coach’s fault. not the school’s. I do hate dirty players and coaches and have no respect for them, but as far as them making me angry enough to spew venom in their direction, I personally have better things to do.
If we could just sythesize life in a laboratory, we could prove that the creation of life requires no intelligence.
by Tigernut on Sep 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the punchline?
If we could just sythesize life in a laboratory, we could prove that the creation of life requires no intelligence.
by Tigernut on Sep 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could tell you . . .
but then you would be deprived of the sublime denouement available by simply using the archive feature at the top of the page and reviewing the older posts. Plus Kyle wouldn’t get the page views, which are worth 1/500th of a cent in Blogger Green Stamps.
By the way, why is “hating” a football team bad but “hating” a whole state OK? I fail to see the logical distinction.
by MaconDawg on Sep 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL...
… ‘sublime denouement’, that’s good. As for your question, see above.
If we could just sythesize life in a laboratory, we could prove that the creation of life requires no intelligence.
by Tigernut on Sep 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for everyone's information . . .
. . . I wrote the following after Hurricane Katrina:
I give the Auburn Tigers a hard time because I consider them the Georgia Bulldogs’ biggest rival. However, no matter how strongly I root against the Plainsmen any time they take the field, there are, of course, more important things in life than college football.
In that spirit, I am sure I speak for the entire Bulldog Nation when I say that we send our thoughts and prayers to Auburn freshman defensive tackle Alonzo Horton, a New Orleans native who lost members of his immediate family in the flooding following Hurricane Katrina.
Our deepest sympathies go out to the young man and his family in the wake of this tragedy, against which even the most heated of athletic rivalries are utterly insignificant.
Later, I wrote this, as well:
Earlier, I noted the sad news that Auburn freshman defensive tackle Alonzo Horton reportedly had lost two younger brothers in the flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina.
Thankfully, it turns out that the reports of their deaths were greatly exaggerated: Horton’s father and younger brothers are alive and well and have made it to safety.
This is wonderful news and we are happy for the entire Horton family.
Hopefully, that provides some context for the limitations attaching to the statement “I hate Auburn.” As a member of the University of Georgia literary society of which vineyarddawg is an alum once said to several members of the University of Georgia literary society of which I am an alumn, “We have an institutional rivalry, not a personal rivalry.”
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Sorry about how that whole evening went, by the way. I know it was 13 years ago, but, still, I owed you an apology . . . a personal one, to follow up on the institutional one.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 28, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No hard feelings.
As you say, it was many years ago, and I think we’ve both moved on well since then. My words certainly could have been better chosen at the time. Inasmuch as I also contributed to the situation, I also apologize.
by vineyarddawg on Sep 28, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is some hilarious grasping at straws by frustrated dawg fans. You guys are so mad that urban and florida have beaten your ass year after year you’ll take any leap you can to try and denegrate them. How sad. keep dancing on the sidelines boys.
by Freelemur on Sep 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He also posted this and he has surely made his opinion of Meyer clear in this string!
by skigator93 on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Norman Rockwell?
Did Norm do Heismans?
by renegator on Sep 28, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oddly, for the first time i regret reading a long thread here.
what’s that saying: “feeling good about winning an argument on a blog is like bragging about kissing your sister”. State your case – emotional or not and move on. I wish Tebow well, i dont have much faith in about 95% of football coaches character (seriously, look across the board, most of them are A holes), and I will be thankful not to hear about Tebow next year.
by tankertoad on Oct 1, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dawgs and Gators
I’ve been in this emotional blender pretty much all my life. College football becomes a focus of life from September to January every year. Over the past few years I have experienced an embarrasment of riches between the national championships of UF’s football and basketball teams. I understand the animosity toward Urban Meyer among Georgia fans just as I remember my own fond feelings toward Vince Dooley. What I would like to ask is, what would Georgia fans give to have a Tim Tebow in silver britches? Would you trade us even up Mark Richt for Urban Meyer? Woud you be willing to switch to the spread offense to win a national title? Would you give a rat’s ass how many players you sent to the “next level”? We are neighboring states. Our cultures are inextricably bonded. You love catching our fish, we love shooting your deer and we love this cycle of UF dominance in college football. Damn it, join us in our glow. Let’s have some boiled peanuts and a cold beer together in J-ville this year. The drive back up I-95 or I-75 is so much more pleasant following an amicable celebration of the vagaries of the cycles of college football. Post Tebow, we can revisit the issue and possibly come to terms on a return to cold war status. Right now, we love you guys!
by renegator on Oct 2, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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