South Carolina scores upset everyone saw coming from a mile away
As a Georgia fan, I now feel much better about our offense (South Carolina's defense is as good as advertised) and much worse about our defense (Georgia never should have given up that many points to the Palmetto State Poultry).
I hope this also gives Gamecock fans a little more perspective on Tyrone Nix. He may not be Ellis Johnson, but he's a good defensive coordinator.
I would quibble with a couple of C&F's points, however. How many years does Stephen Garcia have to have in the program before he ceases to be described as "a relatively green player just beginning to grasp his offense"? Through his own idiocy, he hasn't seen the field as much until this year, but he's been in the system for quite a while. His problem isn't inexperience, and it certainly isn't youth, it's the Steve Taneyhill mentality that could have cost South Carolina the game.
After a big play gave the Gamecocks a first and goal, Garcia was shown running down the sideline, jumping and gesticulating like an epileptic cheerleader or a fan who'd had way, way too much to drink before the game. It's one thing to do that when you've scored, but it was first and goal. There was football left to be played. Garcia's next three plays? Bad option pitch, sack, incomplete pass that hit an Ole Miss defender in the gut. Think about playing football before showing us your moronic dance moves, son.
The other quarrel I have is with the description of Georgia as "surprisingly good." The Bulldogs are ranked lower today than they were in the preseason polls and their defense is significantly worse than anticipated. Every problem the Red and Black had at the end of last season (penalties, turnovers, poor special teams play) persists this season and the offense is only just starting to find its feet after losing its top quarterback, running back, and wide receiver. In what sense is Georgia "surprisingly good"? I found that characterization absolutely baffling.
Was Ole Miss overrated? Clearly, and it seems all of us knew it going in; we all voted the Rebels in the top ten because we thought we were supposed to, but I never heard anyone defend that placement, and, when I picked South Carolina to beat Mississippi, I actually drew some criticism for making the "safe" pick. As I believe Team Speed Kills asked when everyone (correctly) expected Ole Miss to beat LSU last year, does it count as an upset if everyone predicts it?
Nevertheless, it counts as a signature win. Even though SEC teams should never be playing regular-season games on Thursday nights (unless it's Thanksgiving), it was on the national stage, and the Rebels were ranked where they were ranked. South Carolina proved that its defense is as good as it's usually been, if not better, and, for the first time in the Steve Spurrier era the last 20 years our lifetimes upon this planet forever, the Gamecocks appear to have something vaguely reminiscent of an offense, at least between the 20s.
Since we're the "1," I'm content to have them go 11-1.
Also, I prefer the "hot librarian" look on Erin Andrews. That is all.
Go 'Dawgs!
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I'm conflicted about that game
On the one hand, I love it when the pollsters show that they know less than me. I speak for a whole lot of people when I say that we knew that Ole Miss was overrated (even my Mom and little sister, after a cursory glance at the polls, said “there is no way that the Rebels are that good”) and I love being proved right. On the other hand, the meltdown from Columbia had the Gamecocks blown that game would have been SPECTACULAR. Oh, well.
Okay, a couple of responses to the quibbles
First of all, any player who’s had less than a season of starting experience in the SEC is green in my book. I don’t care who it is or how it got that way. Maybe I oversold the case on the offense a little bit, but I’ve said before that I don’t trust first-year starting quarterbacks in the SEC (and this is the first year he’s been the clear-cut starter), and that’s for a reason. I would call Joe Cox relatively green simply because he’s not started or played significant snaps in more than a few games up to this point.
But don’t just take my word for it about Garcia improving - ?urn=ncaaf,191979" >listen to Hinton, a South Carolina skeptic if ever there was one.
But even though he was erratic, too, it does seem like we were watching the continued maturation of Stephen Garcia that was obvious two weeks ago at Georgia.
As for Georgia — yes, Georgia has surprised me with just how good they are this year. I think it has to do with your perspective a bit. I thought Georgia was probably overrated in the preseason, maybe even on my ballot, and I certainly thought they were after the Oklahoma State game.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
I hope you're right that the Bulldogs are good . . .
. . . but, so far, it looks like the Eric Zeier era out there. Lots of offense, little to no defense, and next to nothing to show for it.
Joe Cox is a good example. Cox came into this season with neither a start nor significant playing time in two and a half years. That isn’t remotely comparable to Stephen Garcia, who was on the field quite a bit last year. Garcia’s maturation is continuing now because his own boneheadedness delayed what should have been his maturation a year or two ago.
Even if you’re right to call him “green,” though, it certainly isn’t fair to claim that he’s just beginning to grasp the offense. Like Joe Cox, Stephen Garcia has been in the program for a while. If either of them is just learning the offense now, he should be riding a short bus to the stadium.
Go 'Dawgs!
Well
Now they’ll believe they will win the East, destroy Florida, beat Clemson, win their BCS game, Garcia will win the Heisman, etc.
When the truth is that the Chicken Curse builds them up, only to tear them down.
Watch em lose to Vandy.
Not if Ole Miss loses to Vandy first...
… they do play them next week, after all.
by vineyarddawg on Sep 26, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
About this whole "Thursday" thing...
Kyle, more than once now I’ve read your quibbles that an SEC match up shouldn’t be a Thursday night game. I was hoping that you could elaborate a bit on why you have such an animadversion for something that I genuinely enjoy.
Earlier on a blog (perhaps even back in the Xanga days) you explained that a Tuesday night MAC game was required viewing, as “Bad Football is still football, and any football is better than no football.” If we are going to watch the Thursday Night game regardless of the teams opposing one another, I would much rather it be an Ole Miss at South Carolina duel instead of Wyoming at San Jose State.
Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks, Tiller.
Sure thing, Tiller
Thursday nights are for getting less storied programs under the spotlight. They are for garnering national attention for programs that fly (sometimes undeservedly) under the radar.
I understand that Ole Miss and South Carolina are somewhat beleaguered programs, relative to their SEC brethren in Athens, Auburn, Baton Rouge, Gainesville, Knoxville, and Tuscaloosa. However, these are still SEC programs, and not perennial bottom-feeders like Mississippi State or Vanderbilt.
If you’re an ACC also-ran, a Big East program from off the beaten path, or a mid-major looking to gain exposure, it makes sense to agree to do a Thursday night game to place your team at center stage. If you’re a mid- to upper-tier SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, or Pac-10 program, you have no business playing on a weeknight. That should be the province of teams that need the attention (which, again, may be richly deserved). If you can get on TV by playing on Saturday, you should play on Saturday. Mississippi-South Carolina would have earned air time on a weekend. It should have been played on a weekend.
I’ll put it this way: if you believe your program is or truly ought to be a contender in the SEC, the Big Ten, the Big 12, or the Pac-10, you should never play on Thursday nights other than Thanksgiving, period.
Go 'Dawgs!
Hear, hear!
Having an SEC vs. SEC game on Thursday night makes me feel — well — a little embarrassed, frankly. College football is supposed to be on Saturday, damn it. And I agree that Thanskgiving’s ok, too. Hell, I wasn’t all that thrilled about the Labor Day Monday Night Football game against Clemson back in — what was it, 1982?
If you want to quibble, I'm your Huckleberry.
I would quibble with a couple of C&F’s points, however. How many years does Stephen Garcia have to have in the program before he ceases to be described as “a relatively green player just beginning to grasp his offense”? Through his own idiocy, he hasn’t seen the field as much until this year, but he’s been in the system for quite a while.
Are you honestly saying that being around a football program is equivalent to taking snaps under center as a starter? Surely not. And, surely, you are not negating the clear progress that Garcia has shown between the Iowa game and now. And, also surley, you wouln’t suggest that a sophomore couln’t make progress by the time he graduates as a senior as well. Garcia’s relative “idocy” aside, he’s a red shirt sophomore who has only played four games as the clear cut starter. Are you also going to tell me that you would rather have a sophomore Mathew Stafford than a senior one?
After a big play gave the Gamecocks a first and goal, Garcia was shown running down the sideline, jumping and gesticulating like an epileptic cheerleader or a fan who’d had way, way too much to drink before the game. It’s one thing to do that when you’ve scored, but it was first and goal. There was football left to be played. Garcia’s next three plays? Bad option pitch, sack, incomplete pass that hit an Ole Miss defender in the gut. Think about playing football before showing us your moronic dance moves, son.
So Garcia can’t possibly celebrate after a great play and still maintain his concentration? You might have a point here. You would never see Georgia do something like that. It’s true that the plays thereafter were a miserable failure, but a reasonable person might conclude that that was a result our historically bad red zone offense and not Garcia’s celebration. And another thing – he was playing injured for most of that game. If the kid wants to celebrate a little to get pumped and get his endorphines going, what do you care?
If you’re an ACC also-ran, a Big East program from off the beaten path, or a mid-major looking to gain exposure, it makes sense to agree to do a Thursday night game to place your team at center stage. If you’re a mid- to upper-tier SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, or Pac-10 program, you have no business playing on a weeknight.
Don’t compare us to an ACC also ran. Them’s fight’n words. I guess it’s a little harder to smell the poop on the loop from way up there in your ivory tower. We play on Thursdays because we do need the exposure. We also need the money. In this league you have to take any comparative advantage you can get. Our comparative advantage is that we’re willing to play on Thursday night twice a year in exchange for some great exposure and some cash. And you know what else? We perform well on Thursday nights. So please, get over yourself.
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Sep 25, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
No offense, Feathered Warrior . . .
. . . but you can kiss my ass.
If you think Garcia celebrating after a first down and Georgia celebrating after a touchdown are comparable, you’re a complete idiot, but, just to clarify it for you, a first down means your offense still has to run plays and a touchdown means your offense is through running plays.
Yes, I believe jumping around like a moron affects your concentration more while you’re in need of concentrating than dancing after you no longer need to concentrate. There is rather a large distinction between your surgeon celebrating a successful procedure once you’re on the way to the recovery room and your surgeon celebrating a successful procedure while he still has his hands and a scalpel in your innards.
The sophomore Matthew Stafford threw for 2,523 yards and 19 touchdowns while leading Georgia to an 11-2 season and a No. 2 national ranking. The senior Matthew Stafford is playing for the Detroit Lions. If we still had him, what might he have done? Well, he might have tied a school record with five touchdown passes in a game, flirted with a 70 per cent completion rate, and been named national offensive player of the week . . . all of which Joe Cox accomplished last week. Cox, incidentally, has the same number of career starts as Stephen Garcia.
Even if the Matthew Stafford point were not a silly one, though, you should note that C&F’s argument was that Stephen Garcia was still learning the offense. Learning the offense isn’t something you do while taking snaps; it’s something you do before taking snaps. Meaningful game experience is in no sense a prerequisite to knowing the offense, and anyone who takes the opposite view is playing the game incorrectly.
I didn’t compare South Carolina to an ACC also-ran . . . although, in my defense, the Gamecocks won one league title in their 19 years of Atlantic Coast Conference competition, so such a comparison wouldn’t be altogether out of line. In fact, my point was precisely the opposite: South Carolina is a better program than that. Playing on Thursday nights is beneath you. Current active losing streaks aside, South Carolina isn’t Vanderbilt. Don’t take it out on me if I happen to have more respect for your team than you do.
In closing, Feathered Warrior, you may want to spend a little more time reading what C&F and Gamecock Man have to say. They seem to have figured out how to be passionate partisans who give unstinting support to their team without making jackasses out of themselves. I’m more than happy to have folks come around here and offer a contrary opinion, but, when you come into my house, you act like your mama raised you right. If you can’t do that, get the hell out of here.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Sep 25, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In regards to kissing your ass...
…I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.
I’m not sure where all this venom is coming from. Maybe it was the poop on the loop comment. Maybe it was the "get over yourself." Either way, it’s not like I’m over here calling you names or talking about your mama (Ahem). I responded to your post, which you also posted on TSK, so it’s not like I’m trolling. While my post might have been forceful, I think it was far from over the line. Then again this is your rodeo, so you can call the shots any way you see fit. If you’ll allow me, though, I’d like one more rebuttal.
Yes, I believe jumping around like a moron affects your concentration more while you’re in need of concentrating than dancing after you no longer need to concentrate. There is rather a large distinction between your surgeon celebrating a successful procedure once you’re on the way to the recovery room and your surgeon celebrating a successful procedure while he still has his hands and a scalpel in your innards.
It’s all relative. For continuity’s sake I’ll stick with your analogy. I certainly wouldn’t want my surgeon celebrating with his hands still inside me. His job’s not done yet. Then again, I wouldn’t want my football team devolving into a remake of You Got Served after their first touchdown of a game – their job isn’t done yet either. Somehow, even with their concentration broken for that brief moment, UGA managed to win that game. You think Garcia looked foolish celebrating a great play? Fine. I happen to think it’s a bit foolish to say our red zone offense failed because of a dance move (or whatever the hell it was).
Well, he might have tied a school record with five touchdown passes in a game, flirted with a 70 per cent completion rate, and been named national offensive player of the week . . . all of which Joe Cox accomplished last week. Cox, incidentally, has the same number of career starts as Stephen Garcia.
Cox is also a senior. Really though, Cox is irrelevant to a discussion about Garcia. Cox performing well with a short amount of experience doesn’t mean that Garcia cannot perform better given more experience. I don’t know what is so controversial about this statement. Garcia is a red-shirt sophomore with only one spring game under his belt. He saw minimal action last year. He took less than ½ the snaps in practice throughout last year. My question to you is still, "Is Garcia not improving?" To C&F’s point that Garcia is still learning the offense: he might very well still be learning. He’s had plenty of time to study the game film and the playbook, sure. I don’t know about you, but most people have a little trouble when they first attempt to translate book knowledge to the real world. I’d call that still learning. Go ahead and call Garcia an idiot if you want, but has he not shown improvement?
I didn’t compare South Carolina to an ACC also-ran . . .
If you’re an ACC also-ran, a Big East program from off the beaten path, or a mid-major looking to gain exposure, it makes sense to agree to do a Thursday night game to place your team at center stage. If you’re a mid- to upper-tier SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, or Pac-10 program, you have no business playing on a weeknight.
South Carolina having just played in a Thursday night game, this sound suspiciously like a comparison to me…
although, in my defense, the Gamecocks won one league title in their 19 years of Atlantic Coast Conference competition, so such a comparison wouldn’t be altogether out of line.
Your argument hinges on the belief that it is beneath South Carolina to play a Thursday night game on ESPN given their current status. Go ahead and call USC an also-ran when we were in the ACC. It has no bearing here.
South Carolina is a better program than that. Playing on Thursday nights is beneath you. Current active losing streaks aside, South Carolina isn’t Vanderbilt. Don’t take it out on me if I happen to have more respect for your team than you do.
South Carolina does not, in fact, have a better program than that. You might have heard the ESPN announcers mention multiple times that WR Tori Gurley saw USC beat #8 Kentucky at home on a Thursday two years ago and committed to the Gamecocks later that night because of it. Thursday night games have been a great resource for the Gamecocks, and we’ll continue to use it as long as it works. We don’t have the luxury of looking down our nose at opportunity, as traditional powers like UGA might. By the way, you do not have more respect for my team than I do. You don’t like South Carolina playing on Thursday nights because you think (wrongly) that it somehow diminishes the SEC’s, and by extension UGA’s, luster.
In closing, Feathered Warrior, you may want to spend a little more time reading what C&F and Gamecock Man have to say.
Nothing to add here. Both Gamecock Man and C&F are great bloggers, and by all accounts, fine gentlemen. They do a great job on their respective blogs, and I have no delusions of grandeur of possessing 1/10 the skill they (or you for that matter) have.
I’m more than happy to have folks come around here and offer a contrary opinion, but, when you come into my house, you act like your mama raised you right. If you can’t do that, get the hell out of here.
This has not been my experience. (Full disclosure: experience is based on an extremely small sample size)
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Sep 26, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't compare USC to an ACC also-ran?
I thought that’s exactly what South Carolina was during all those years of independence. But to the Gamecocks’ credit, they had to leave the ACC before they got tired of carrying the conference in basketball (hey, it kinda looked that way at the time).
















