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Why the SEC Should Scrap the Outback to Get the Gator Back On Board

It was first brought to my attention by Dr. Saturday, and later noted at Team Speed Kills, that the Gator Bowl may become one of the SEC’s automatic postseason tie-ins.

Significant logistical hurdles stand in the way of this becoming a reality, most notably the Capital One Bowl’s exclusive right to host an SEC team in that particular New Year’s Day time slot. In addition, the Gator Bowl would have to be given a top five pick among league teams, which would require bumping another bowl down in the pecking order. The likelihood of a Gator Bowl/SEC partnership, therefore, is low.

You know what? I’d like to see the conference dump one of its other Sunshine State bowl slots in order to get the Gator Bowl back on board. The SEC already boasts tie-ins to the Sugar Bowl (with certain BCS-imposed restrictions), the Cotton Bowl, and the Chick-fil-A (nee Peach) Bowl. Adding the Gator Bowl to that lineup at the expense of the Capital One Bowl or the Outback Bowl would give the league the best set of guaranteed bowl bids of any conference in the country.

The Gator Bowl is the sixth-oldest existing bowl game, behind the Rose, Orange, Sugar, Sun, and Cotton Bowls. Beginning with its inception on January 1, 1946, the Jacksonville-based postseason tilt hosted at least one team from either the ACC or the SEC eighteen of the first nineteen times the game was played. (The Big East is threatening to bail on the Gator Bowl, in which the other guaranteed slot belongs to the ACC.)

The Georgia Bulldogs’ history in the Gator Bowl dates back to the 1947 season and the game holds a special place in Georgia history, as the bowl played host to Vince Dooley’s final game as the Red and Black’s head coach. On occasion, the Gator Bowl has paired SEC squads against one another, matching the Auburn Tigers with the Vanderbilt Commodores in 1955, the Florida Gators with the Mississippi Rebels in 1958, and the Florida Gators with the Tennessee Volunteers in 1969.

The Gator Bowl offers a long history as a bowl game, a strong connection to the Southeastern Conference, and a stadium seating almost 77,000 fans in a city that has proven its ability to host an annual affray involving SEC teams. What, by contrast, do the Capital One and Outback Bowls have to offer?

Admittedly, the Capital One Bowl (in its earliest incarnation) originated only one year later than the Gator Bowl, but its genesis as the Tangerine Bowl filled a niche reserved especially for small schools, by which I do not mean mid-majors, but rather teams that later would play in Division I-AA or the Sun Belt.

The Tangerine Bowl, as it was called prior to becoming the Citrus Bowl in the early ‘80s, initially featured the likes of Catawba, Maryville, Murray State, Emory & Henry, Stetson, Arkansas State, East Texas State, Omaha, Juniata, Presbyterian, The Citadel, Western Kentucky, and---no kidding---Coast Guard. (Insert your Notre Dame Fighting Irish scheduling joke here.)

What is now the Capital One Bowl did not host a ranked team until 1968, did not host a major conference club until 1973, and did not host a top ten team until New Year’s Day 1987. The Capital One Bowl is a Johnny-come-lately to postseason prominence, but even it has a better pedigree than the Outback Bowl.

Before acquiring its current corporate sponsor, the Outback Bowl was known as the Hall of Fame Bowl and the first Hall of Fame Bowl was played at the end of the first quarter of my freshman year of college. The 42nd Gator Bowl was played four days after the inaugural Hall of Fame Bowl.

Although the ‘Dawgs played in that initial Hall of Fame Bowl, and although the Tampa-based postseason tilt welcomed an SEC team in each of the contest’s first four games, that destination has never been anything other than a disappointment for any squad in the league not named the Kentucky Wildcats.

The Florida Citrus Bowl, home of the Capital One Bowl, seats 70,000. Raymond James Stadium, home of the Outback Bowl, seats a little under 66,000, although the arena is expandable to 75,000. Neither stadium is as spacious as the home of the Jacksonville Jaguars and neither Orlando nor Tampa has even half the SEC pedigree of the venue by the St. John’s River.

Get the Gator Bowl back on board. Set up a second SEC bowl tie-in to the ACC, a league that shares much of the same geographic footprint as our own and supplies one-fourth of our conference’s members with their season-ending in-state rivals. Ditch the Outback Bowl (preferably) or the Capital One Bowl (if necessary). Lose the Big Ten tie-ins with which neither league is pleased and get us back into the business of playing teams with which we share some history.

Be honest, now. From the standpoint of history and interest, wouldn’t you rather play the Clemson Tigers than the Michigan St. Spartans? Wouldn’t you prefer to take on the North Carolina Tar Heels than the Iowa Hawkeyes? Wouldn’t you derive more enjoyment from beating the N.C. State Wolfpack than from defeating the Wisconsin Badgers? Heck, at this point, I’m even starting to miss meeting the Virginia Cavaliers in bowl games every now and again. (Three times in a six-year period did get to be a bit much, though.)

Tell the Outback where they can stick their bloomin’ onion. Tell the Capital One we don’t care what’s in their wallet. With all due apologies to U.S. Representative Corrine Brown, go Gator!

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Should the SEC make the Gator Bowl one of its postseason tie-ins?
No; the last thing we need is another game in Jacksonville
25 votes
Yes, but only if we can keep the Capital One Bowl, too
50 votes
Yes, even if it means dumping the Capital One Bowl
43 votes
I don't care; it's BCS or bust, baby!
23 votes
I don't know
2 votes
None of the above (explain in the comments below)
0 votes

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Nice argument, but...

What, by contrast, do the Capital One and Outback Bowls have to offer?

a chance to take the family to Disney or visit a nice beach? Are you really interested in making a second trip to Jax in one season? I think one visit to lovely Jax is plenty for one season.

by skigator93 on Aug 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point . . .

. . . as soon as they start playing the Capital One and Outback Bowls in July.

As long as they’re played in January, no, a trip to the beach is not at all an attractive option, and, offhand, I can’t think of a holiday and a vacation destination less compatible with one another than New Year’s Eve and the Magic Kingdom.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Aug 6, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the highs in Tampa are in the 70s….you can enjoy a beach at those temps.

Other than crowds, what’’s wrong with New Years at Disney?

It can’t be more crowded than the Landing the night of the WLOCP!

by skigator93 on Aug 6, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have a higher tolerance for cold than I do

Those are highs, too, by the way. There also are lows . . . and those are air temperatures, not water temperatures. The water would be considerably colder. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the water is too cold to swim in, even in Florida, in January.

The only reason I can think of for going to Disney World in the winter is to take advantage of offseason rates. (For those of us in the Atlanta area, the combination of driving distance and expense makes Wild Adventures in Valdosta a much more attractive option than Orlando, anyway.)

Besides, taking your kids to Disney World a week after Christmas? What am I, made of money? I think giving a kid a trip to Disney World a week after Christmas is like giving him a birthday cake with crack icing. Who would do that?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Aug 6, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently a lot because it is supposed to be one of the busiest days of the year.
Maybe that could be their Christmas present?

There is no arguing against the fact that Disney costs a small fortune. I’m not even sure they have odd-season rates! I have never been to the Wild Adventures park. Is it worth a trip?

I’m just thinking their isn’t much to do in Jax….

by skigator93 on Aug 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jax..

I wouldn’t wish the Jacksonville “experience” on anyone. Cars broken in to, prices sufficiently gouged, traffic patterns that resemble a can of worms.. no thanks. It gets worse every year, too.

by Hobnail_Boot on Aug 7, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably not the most popular position...

… but I think the Peach-Fil-A Bowl should be a more prominent bowl in the SEC pecking order than it is. I’m all for replacing the Australian-restaurant-headquartered-in-Tampa Bowl with the more historically-appropriate Gator, of course. As a part of that deal, though, the actual pecking order of the SEC bowl options should be clearly worked out.

As it stands now, the Credit Card Bowl has the first choice of non-BCS SEC schools, followed by a very unclear mix of Outback, Peach-Fil-A, and Cotton. A team from the west usually goes to the Cotton (but not always), and a team from the east usually goes to the Outback (but not always), and the Peach-Fil-A Bowl gets whoever they want, it seems… but that has been anywhere from the 2nd to the 4th choice over the past 4 or 5 years. It seems like the 3 “limbo” bowls get together in the proverbial smoke filled, closed-door room and decide what they think will just work better for everyone. Call me a nerd, but I like it better than the priority levels are clearly laid out, and I think the Peach-Fil-A Bowl should have 2nd choice. After that, the Cotton and Gator could then pick their next choice from the west and east divisions, respectively.

Just my opinion, though.

by vineyarddawg on Aug 7, 2009 3:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

One way to solve that problem would be to rotate the selection order on an annual basis, so that each would get first pick once in a three-year period.

You’re right about the Chick-fil-A Bowl, though. A lot of folks complained when the name changed, but the addition of a major player like Chick-fil-A as a name sponsor beefed up (sorry) the caliber of the game, which could be well on its way to becoming the premiere pre-January bowl.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Aug 7, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d love to pick up the Gator Bowl IN ADDITION to what we have, but I actually like the Outback and the Citrus (refuse to call it anything else).

I like the opportunity to play some Big Ten teams, crush them, and further solidify the SEC’s position as the dominant conference.

We have a lot of chances to play ACC teams by using some of our non-conference games. We can and do use them thusly quite frequently.

by Muckbeast on Aug 7, 2009 4:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As a league . . .

. . . we haven’t exactly been crushing the Big Ten in bowl games. The two conferences’ record against one another in bowl games over the last few years has hovered consistently around .500.

Georgia and Ohio State are the outliers, with the Bulldogs always beating the Big Ten (last loss: 1957) and the Buckeyes always losing to the SEC (0-8 in bowls). For everyone else, though, it’s been a mixed bag of close games. Frankly, I’m just tired of seeing them and hearing about them.

Because of our close proximity, we have long histories with many ACC teams, but, outside of Georgia Tech, we almost never play any of them any more, even longstanding rival Clemson. I don’t know what you mean by “quite frequently”; aside from the Yellow Jackets, what ACC teams have we scheduled? The only one I can recall from recent years is Clemson, and even that has been intermittent. Barring an intervening bowl pairing, the Bulldogs and the Tigers currently are in the midst of what will wind up being the longest-ever gap between series meetings.

Miami, North Carolina, N.C. State, and Virginia never appear on Red and Black slates anymore, and I’d rather play one of them than beat Purdue in overtime again. Bowl rematches with Boston College, Florida State, or Virginia Tech wouldn’t be bad, either. I’m sorry, but, after Michigan State last year, I’m done with the Big Ten.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Aug 7, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ACC teams

I suspect Muckbeast meant the SEC as a whole and not UGA specifically in his mention of scheduling ACC teams. GT has been popping up on a handful of SEC schedules; UF has FSU; there are the Bama appearances in Atlanta against Clemson and VPI; South Carolina has Clemson plus UVA, NC State, UNC since 2002; Vandy: Wake, Duke …

by NCT on Aug 7, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood

Thanks for the clarification.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Aug 7, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're guilty of losing too many games to the Big 10

Florida is only 3-4 against the Big 10 in the past 18 years or so. Although Zooker is responsible for half the losses, it is still embarassing. Our loss to Michigan a couple years ago was pretty shameful.

by skigator93 on Aug 7, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jacksonville Experience?

Let me see if I get this right. Downtown Atlanta (site of the Peach Bowl) is safer than Downtown Jacksonville? HA HA HA HA, etc.

by Jujdog on Aug 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, I'm tired of the Big Ten AND the ACC

The ACC is a conference full of 8-4 teams, one of which happens to get a couple of lucky breaks every season and get the honor of losing the Orange Bowl (unless they’re lucky enough to get matched up with a similar Big East team). I can’t think of a single matchup that would excite me against that league. I’m all for playing GT and Clemson in the regular season, but if we’re going to play an exhibition game I want it to be against somebody more intriguing than that.

The Citrus was a very good matchup before the addition of the fifth BCS game, but now it ends up being the #3 Big Ten team almost every year because they’re practically guaranteed a second BCS bid due to the size of their fanbases and their willingness to travel anywhere to get the hell out of the midwest in January. There are a total of three interesting teams in the Big Ten…Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. Chances are that two of those teams are going to be playing in the BCS while one of them is in a down year. Hence, the Citrus is going to end up getting the “good” years from teams like Michigan State, Wisconsin and Iowa most of the time from here on out. Booooo-ring.

I’d like to see an attempt to get a matchup with the Pac-10. You’d probably get the legitimate #2 team from the league once USC takes their rightful spot in the Rose. I’d even be in favor of playing them somewhere in California or Arizona…if the bowl was legit enough, I’d enjoy traveling somewhere other than Florida for the game.

by FisheriesDawg on Aug 7, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm good with that

Plus, you’d probably hear a lot less whining from Pac-10 fans about having to play a bowl game in a temperate climate by the ocean.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Aug 7, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A tie-in with the Pac-10 would be favorable

to another bowl tie-in with the ACC. I’d even rather have the tie-in be a Big 10 team/Notre Dame as opposed to an ACC team. I’d rather play teams from different regions that we don’t see as much of.

by The ArchDawg on Aug 8, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

Up in Big East country, we’re annoyed with the Gator because they basically want another complicated deal inolving us, ND, or team from some other conference vs. ACC #2. We want just our #2 vs ACC #2. We can live with us or ND vs. ACC #2. We just don’t want hyper-complicated sharing arrangements with bowls that don’t really seem to be interested in a Big East team unless they can get West Virginia.

Still, if you guys wanted to ditch the Outback or the Capital One to put SEC #3 or #4 vs ACC #2, we’d be happy to take the spot you vacated. The Outback’s a nicer stadium, but it’s USF’s home field which has advantages and disadvantages if/when the Bulls get in the game.

by drothgery on Aug 7, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chick-Fil-A

I like the change from the Peach Bowl……we never got a coupon for a free meal or a stuffed cow when it was still the Peach Bowl!

by skigator93 on Aug 7, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Get It

Normally, I agree with you and your well thought out arguments, Kyle. However, I just can’t come on board with this. I can do without another trip to Jacksonville each year. As a conference, we already play plenty of ACC teams each year. I like playing the Big Ten and teams we don’t share history with. That’s what bowl games are all about, to me.

by Ben In Georgia on Aug 7, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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