A Look at Paul Finebaum's Ranking of SEC Coaches in the Post-Bear Bryant Era
All right, I get it. The enterprise of ranking coaches is even more subjective than the enterprise of ranking teams, and is even more prone to being skewed by the agendas and biases of the folks doing the listing, so there’s only so much stock that should be put into even the most meticulous list like this. The foregoing caveat is trebly true when the fellow compiling the rankings is Paul Finebaum. For crying out loud, though, doesn’t this guy at least have a proofreader?
Steve Spurrier, Finebaum tells us, "once ran off a streak of 24 consecutive SEC games." Uh, doing what with them, Paul? Coaching them? Watching them? If you mean winning them, you may want to make that clear. Consider working with an editor whose job is more involved than saying, "Attaway to stir ‘em up, Paul."
Yeah, sure, maybe I’m being nitpicky to worry over such details . . . but, then again, details matter. For instance, it is disingenuous to boost the Evil Genius’s SEC title tally by arguing that "he won seven on the field but one occurred while UF was on NCAA probation." I’m sorry, but the Gators can’t have it both ways. Yes, Florida finished first in the league while on probation in 1990 . . . but, in one of the Sunshine State Saurians’ official championship seasons (1993), the probation-shackled Auburn Tigers were the only unbeaten team in the conference and defeated both championship game representatives on the field. If the orange-and-blue-clad cheaters from Gainesville get to claim credit for 1990, then the orange-and-blue-clad cheaters from the Plains get to claim credit for 1993. Either way, Darth Visor still has six crowns.
What is truly disturbing about Finebaum’s supremely silly list is that he ranks Mark Richt ninth while offering this justification for placing Phillip Fulmer fourth:
The bottom falling out of his career at Tennessee is hard to overlook. However, winning the national title, two SEC crowns and appearing in the league title game five times is worthy. Until the Vols began to implode in 2005, Fulmer's winning percentage hovered around .800 and at one time he had Tennessee ranked in the national polls 138 out of 154 weeks. Fulmer's teams ranked in the final top 10 six times in his first 13 seasons. He also ran off a seven-game winning streak against Alabama.
Let’s break that down, shall we?
It’s "hard to overlook" the collapse of the Great Pumpkin’s career . . . although Finebaum goes right ahead and overlooks it, placing Coach Fulmer ahead of Gene Stallings, Pat Dye, and Vince Dooley. The former Tennessee Volunteers skipper is able to overcome his program’s lengthy decline on the strength of the following factors:
- He won two SEC championships.
- He appeared in five SEC championship games in 16 full seasons as a head coach.
- At one time, his winning percentage was near .800.
- His teams finished in the top ten six times in his first 13 years.
- He beat a major rival seven years in a row.
- He won a national championship.
For those of you keeping score at home, Mark Richt has two SEC championships, appeared in three SEC championship games in his first five years as a head coach, has a .789 winning percentage, has guided his teams to five top ten finishes in the last seven seasons, and beat in-state rival Georgia Tech seven straight years (at a time when the Yellow Jackets, unlike the Crimson Tide, were going to bowl games annually).
Ah, yes, but here we go again . . . Mark Richt hasn’t worn the Members Only jacket of the coaching fraternity . . . yet. I’ll tell you what . . . you give a Mark Richt-coached team even half the random dumb luck Tennessee enjoyed in 1998, and Orson Charles will be steering clear of the Georgia Bulldogs’ crystal football, lest he deliver another shatterrific performance that puts the "butt" back in "Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall". Coach Richt gets our all-time leading receiver dropping third-down passes that hit him on the hands and our starting quarterback being injured for one key game, while Coach Fulmer gets Clint Stoerner gift-wrapping a fumble and some questionable officiating against the Gators to go undefeated. Just because Fate spent one autumn wearing dreamsickle orange doesn’t make Phillip Fulmer a better coach than Mark Richt.
None of that is to say Phillip Fulmer wasn’t a fine coach. He was. He wasn’t the fourth-best coach of the post-Bear Bryant era, but he was a fine coach, nonetheless. My attack is less on Coach Fulmer and more on Paul Finebaum’s flawed methodology, which has Tommy Tuberville tied for tenth (with Houston Nutt) yet notes that Tubs "was also 2-0 against Urban Meyer and was 4-3 against Nick Saban."
True enough. He also was 3-5 against Mark Richt, losing five of his last seven against the Georgia skipper (and coming within one wacky fourth down of losing six out of seven) after snidely advising him to run the ball more following their inaugural 2001 meeting. Oh, by the way: Phillip Fulmer was 3-5 against Mark Richt, too.
Once again, I know better than to pay attention to Paul Finebaum, but, doggone it, I’m just sick of this silliness. Pick a standard and stick with it. If you want to make it all about national titles, fine; say with a straight face that Larry Coker is a better head coach than Mark Richt, and you can use that as your yardstick. Otherwise, quit moving the line to suit your purposes . . . or, better yet, quite shoveling out this garbage and requiring those of us who make sense to waste our time refuting this idiocy.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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Finebaum
needs the same treatment as Terrance Moore. Don’t give him the satisfaction of talking about him, giving him page views, or commenting on his stories.
by knowshon loves legos on Aug 12, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
Finebaum
needs the same treatment as Marsellus Wallace at the hands of Zed.
Only this time, there won’t be anybody coming back with a Samurai sword.
Behold, this year's College Gameday Sign:
"Joe Cox -- He circumcises ANGELS!"
What an easy target
Well done, T Kyle. While he makes his living off the Heart of Dixie faithful, his loyalty will always be to Knoxville.
Let's add this up
Richt has been around 8 seasons and accumulated an 82-22 overall record, a 46-18 SEC record, with two SEC titles.
In Fulmer’s first eight full seasons (1993 to 2000) he went 80-18 overall, with two SEC titles and a 52-12 SEC record.
His winning percentage in his first eight full seasons (not even counting his 4-0 interim stint in 1992) is better. He owns a national title, Richt does not. Scoff if you’d like, but you know you want one.
In another eight years we can talk about who had the better overall career, but Phillip Fulmer’s body of work over his first eight seasons was better by almost any objective measure than Mark Richt’s has been.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
Even assuming the differences were not marginal . . .
. . . (and we both know they are), Paul Finebaum wasn’t comparing the first eight years; he was comparing whole careers, and, by that measure, there’s no way to say Phillip Fulmer ranks five spots higher on the list . . . particularly since Mark Richt has had to deal with a better overall group of opposing coaches on an annual basis than Phillip Fulmer did early in his career.
With apologies for repeating myself, my point wasn’t to criticize Coach Fulmer, whose abilities I acknowledged. The point was to show how Finebaum was cherry-picking his facts to suit his purposes. Don’t take it personally; I was criticizing a columnist, not a coach . . . and I was criticizing him for not comparing like to like, in the way that you have done.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Aug 12, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't really assume that an opposing fan knows anything ;)
The overall record is a marginal difference, but six conference wins over eight seasons is not.
I realize that wasn’t the main point of the post, but the “Fulmer was a dullard who couldn’t coach his way out of a paper bag and only won what he did because he was lucky/the opposition wasn’t as good as now/etc.” meme drives me crazy for a variety of reasons that are probably pointless to delve into here.
I wholeheartedly acknowledge that Mark Richt is an excellent coach who has raised UGA to a level not seen since Dooley’s early 80s run. The minority who whispered about firing him the past season or two are crazy (I would, however, be very happy if Willie Martinez had a long, long stay at UGA). They are the Birthers of your fanbase.
But his overall resume doesn’t hold up to Fulmer’s yet.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
We disagree upon that last point . . .
. . . but please note that I did not write, and do not think, that Phillip Fulmer was a dullard. I have written elsewhere, in fact, that I thought neither Phillip Fulmer nor Tommy Tuberville got adequate credit for the job he did.
I think it’s evident that the quality of coaching throughout the conference is higher today than it was in the early 1990s, but that is a credit to the quality of the coaching today. It wasn’t bad then, it’s just better now . . . and there’s even a backhanded compliment there: Phillip Fulmer only had to coach against Ray Goff and Jim Donnan early in his career, whereas Mark Richt had to coach against Phillip Fulmer.
I do believe that luck went into Tennessee’s 1998 national championship run, but only to the extent that luck factors into any team’s national championship run. Phillip Fulmer is one of those coaches who proves my point about coaches who keep their teams in contention year in and year out eventually getting the bounces that turn 11-2 into 12-0. In 1998, the Volunteers got those bounces against Florida and Arkansas, which turned a very good season into a great one. I was at the 1998 Georgia-Tennessee game, which was very much a preview of the 2008 Georgia-Alabama game; I know how good a coach Phillip Fulmer was, because I saw it firsthand.
My point was simply that, if you take their careers in their totality (which is what Paul Finebaum purported to do), you can’t reasonably say that Coach Richt is five spots behind Coach Fulmer (which is what Finebaum did). Coach Fulmer was merely the example used to prove the point, because their resumes have quite a lot in common, with the sole exception that Coach Richt has not yet had the bounces go his way.
Go 'Dawgs!
The biggest thing that helps Fulmer
aside from the National Championship, is the fact that when the Vols were at their best in the mid-late 90s, the SEC ran Florida, then Tennessee, then everyone else. There was a clear distinction between the two teams at the top and the rest of the conference for four or five straight years, and in this decade there’s too much parity for that to happen again. As you rightly mentioned, the other coaches in this league are much better now than they were back then…but I think it still helped create a perception or reality, depending on which side of the argument you fall on, that Fulmer was that much better.
For importance to the program, I’ll give you Richt being higher than Johnny Majors. And Majors really struggled in some seasons early on in Knoxville. I think it’s just the way it works that until he gets his ring, he won’t go much higher on that list than that.
Will - Rocky Top Talk
by Will Shelton on Aug 13, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't have a dawg in this fight Mr. T Kyle King
But I must say, on your prose alone, you deserve some kind of award.
I once watched a Georgia/Georgia Tech game back in 1992 and I must say- Yellow Jacket fans (although hospitable and friendly with “Wine-In-The-Box” toasts) have to be the most abhorrently educated fans I’ve come across. And what’s with their topsiders and sweaters over the shoulders? Even boys were sporting that look? Boy, was I drunk at that beatdown. Coach Goff had that stadium ROCKING!
Excellent commentary, my man. You do have a way with words. (Orson’s got his hands full coming on over to T Kyle’s crib (SB Nation), eh? Afterall, you’ve owned SB Nation since I started reading over here. Your posts, as linked to from Topix.net got me to start checking this place out- it’s just too bad I’m more of a Conquest Chronicles and RBR daily reader, I really enjoy reading your stuff!
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by BixBeiderbecke on Aug 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Dare I speak blasphemy
If the basis is post-1982, how can Dooley be ranked higher than Richt?
Not that I’m hatin’ on the former by any means, but that’s classic cherry-picking if I’ve ever seen it.
Excellent point
Vince Dooley’s last SEC title came during Bear Bryant’s last season of coaching. While he wasn’t a bad coach after that, Coach Dooley had a couple of seven-win seasons in 1984 and 1985, with no conference titles and only one ten-win campaign. If we’re to take Paul Finebaum at his word, this placement makes no sense.
Go 'Dawgs!
UT's dumb luck in '98
If only UGA would have had more “luck” in 2002, they might have emerged victorious over the mighty mighty 5-loss Fighting Zookers.
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Eric Berry is better at football than you
I believe I made that point already
A favorable personal foul penalty or a stumbling quarterback setting the ball on the ground as he fell might have helped, too.
Should I put those in “scare quotes,” as well?
Go 'Dawgs!
With all due respect...
Kyle, I respect your opinions here to the utmost degree. However, I’ve got to take issue with scapegoating Terrence Edwards as the reason the Dawgs lost that 2002 Cocktail party (a night on which, I am not ashamed to say, I cried).
- never should have been put in the position to have to make such a catch, if memory serves. I do recall a very out of character false start down on the goalline that (i think) force UGA into kicking a field goal. I believe it was one of our TEs, but I’m not which one. Maybe someone with a better memory can help me out here.
Also, I remember a fatal, drive-killing personal foul being called on George Foster for dry-humping a UF player while the Dawgs were on the march. These both happened well before Edwards dropped a pass that if caught in stride would have gone for 6, and I think these two mistakes should be discussed in the same breath any time someone wants to pick on Edwards for the final drive in that game.
You're right . . .
. . . and, just to clarify, I’m not scapegoating Terrence Edwards, I’m simply noting the fact that things went badly for the Bulldogs, whereas Tennessee was handed a pair of unearned victories on absolute gifts in 1998. The only person I’m picking on here is Paul Finebaum; all of my examples are oriented in the direction of that sole goal.
Go 'Dawgs!
I figured as much...
but I just wanted to make that point simply b/c those two costly penalties sometimes get overlooked when discussing that Cocktail Party. Also, I don’t know what happened to the formatting of that response. That should have read, “#8 never should have…”.
Oh, well.
Keep up the great work!
by Father Dawg on Aug 16, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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