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In Defense of Loud Music at Opportune Moments

As part of his ongoing crusade against the intrusion of rock music piped over loudspeakers into the Big House, Brian Cook defends part of the fan experience that makes him a Michigan man:

Michigan has a lot of culture. That, fundamentally, is its main asset. From that culture flows the passion, and from that passion flows the money. Part of that culture is a public address announcer who embodies neutral gravitas. Part of it is the lack of advertising in the stadium. And part of that is the way the game is presented inside the stadium, with no "NoISe!!!" signs or plastic chariots or electromagic Spartys with frickin' eye lasers.

I like it like that. I like my church with incense and deceased Jesus, my Christmas carols by Bing Crosby, and my Michigan Stadium without frickin' eye lasers.

Now, I’m not going to lie to you; that sounds a little on the dull side to me, in addition to making me fear for the security of my stranglehold on the unofficial office of Crotchety Old Man of the College Football Blogosphere. (Also, without getting overly bogged down in denominational differences, I find "deceased Jesus" a little creepy and quite incompatible with the whole point of Easter, which is why I prefer crosses to crucifixes.)

However, I don’t feel the need to be distracted from football when I’m at a football game, either, so I respect the depth and sincerity of Brian’s devotion to the sacred traditions of his alma mater. I’ve been known to lighten up a little every now and again---hey, even Bing Crosby sang Christmas carols with David Bowie!---but I get Brian’s point and give him credit for taking such a principled stand.

However, in defense of his position, Brian goes a tad too far in making this declaration:

I have been to places, yes I have. And I can tell you that everywhere I go the blaring of extremely bad music at extreme levels of volume does nothing to pump up the crowd.

Now, I don’t know the particular places Brian has been outside of Michigan (other than Auburn), but I know one of them was not Athens on the night of November 10, 2007:

Blaring bad music at high volume does nothing to pump up the crowd? Heck, we should have given Soulja Boy an honorary varsity letter for that season. . . .

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Sanford Stadium has become too much like a tractor pull

The volume of the PA in Sanford has gotten out of control, along with the constant music and videos on the big screen. I wholeheatedly agree with the gentleman from Ann Arbor.

We have slowly lost our class and pride with all this extraneous, mind-numbing nonsense. The Redcoat Band cannot even be heard any longer, because they are drowned out by the music blaring over the loudspeakers – and it never stops.

When did we come to the conclusion that we needed carnival barkers, “to get the crowd into it?”

We have a band. Let them play. We have great cheerleaders, let them lead cheers. And we have loyal, vocal fans, but we do not need a sideshow in Sanford. Play great football with passion and the crowd will do it’s part, I assure you.

Most of the junk on the video scoreboard and the music create a phony atmoshere – like the wave, whereby the fans are trying to be part of the story themselves.

Having said all that, there are some things that are done VERY well, like the video montage of great GA plays with the voice-over by Munson. But, that is done BEFORE the game starts.

by Vinings Dog on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to have to disagree with you here

First, if you’ve ever been to a legitimate tractor pull (and going on the fact that your handle is Vinings Dog, I doubt that you have, no ill-will intended), there is nothing overdone, overstereoed, etc., about them. A monster truck rally, now, is fairly similar.

Second, I understand the argument for the “We have a band…We have cheerleaders”, but the issue at hand is that the culture of the fan has changed. The students no longer listen to the cheerleaders to be led. More often than not, the cheerleaders follow the lead of the students. Perhaps some of the older fans rely on cheerleaders, but the younger generation certainly does not. As for the band, I appreciate the Redcoats very much. I enjoyed sitting close to them to hear them play. I am particularly a fan of when they play the short bit from “The Immigrant Song”. However, I know first hand that when you are sitting in any level above the band (a large portion of the greek student section is in the level above the band) you cannot hear them play. Acoustically, it just isn’t practical.

These reasons together are why I like the fact that the stadium has begun giving the season these anthems, so to speak. Two years ago was Soulja Boy, last year was “Put On” by Young Jeezy. It gets the players hyped and it gets the crowd hyped. This may not happen in every stadium, but there’s no doubt about it that it does work in Sanford.

That said: I never want to hear the anthem of the ACC, that “Oh Oh Oh OOOH Oh” etc. song…whatever it is called, being played in Sanford Stadium. It’s a soccer song and it should stay that way.

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can hear the Redcoats just fine....

all the way across to the south side of the stadium, just not at 170 decibels. The PA at Sanford Stadium actually hurts my ears, and it hurts my pride in my alma mater – it embarrasses me that we have stooped so low.

You mentioned that the culture of the fan has changed. Unfortunately, there is a lot less culture and sportsmanship in Athens than there used to be (the fans on the tracks excepted – my god what a bunch of unruly football crazies THEY were, but they honestly loved the Dogs and created their own social order outside of the stadium).

You also mentioned that the cheerleaders sometimes followed the lead of the students – that was true when I was in school as well. Visiting schools would come in, and often their cheerleaders would have their own PA, sometimes the volume would be so loud it seemed like we were at an away game. I think the SEC or NCAA reacted to that with a rule that made cheerleaders use unamplified megaphones. I can see a time when the regulating bodies step in and limit the volume of the piped in music in the stadiums. I think we are already past that point.

I am not hoping to turn the gatherings at Sanford Stadium into geriatric lawn bowling events, but when did we become World Championship Wrestling? (By the way, “You are correct, sir!” I have never been to a tractor pull and perhaps I should have used a monster truck rally as a measure of the tone of the game experience at Sanford.) At what point have we gone too far? I think we passed the breaking point years ago and we need to focus on why we are at the games……football (and looking at coeds). Get back to basics and act like we are representing a university, not a street gang.

Perhaps there is a big age gap between us. When I was a student from 1975-1982, I loved loud music, and sometimes even now, but there is a time and place for everything. (Please read the post below I copied from a Michigan blog – he gets it.)

As I said, play great, tough, passionate football and you will have the crowd very worked up. I was in the Gator Bowl for the 1980 miracle. No piped in music. The next year, Florida was ahead again late in the game and we had the ball on our own five. We did not sit down the entire second half and on the last drive of 95 yards we chanted, “Goooooo Georgia Bulldogs,” non-stop until we scored and won again, 26-21. It was real. It was visceral. And it was not manufactured by a PR person.

by Vinings Dog on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear...

when describing who could not hear the band well. The people on the opposite side of the field as the band (you included, obviously) possess a much better advantage to hearing the band, due to the fact that the band is playing in their direction. The fans in the levels directly above the band, however, are at a disadvantage. The band is playing in the opposite direction and is below them. I can assure you that, based on personal experience, “Hail to Georgia” cannot be heard in these levels after a touchdown…and based on my handle, you can imagine how I feel about that.

I understand your point and appreciate your enthusiasm for wanting to create the noise with vocal chords as opposed to electronic cords, but I believe that you are the outlier in your age group. Let’s face it, the Sanford Stadium crowd, barring a few exceptions, isn’t exactly loud and proud. In that respect, it also isn’t built like Death Valley or the Gator Bowl. It’s an acoustic nightmare. When you have a giant gap at one end of the stadium, it can be a pretty quiet place. Therefore, I simply think that the best way to combat this problem is to manufacture noise in the opposite direction of the bridge. Given that the stands there are minimal, what better way to do this than to use our mega expensive super duper jumbotron?

Also, in reference to the 1980 Miracle, I’m envious that you were there. However, stating that you did not sit down the entire second half (in my mind) is no point on which to brag. In my experience, the only guaranteed time the students were seated was during halftime. I understand the point you’re making, but as I stated earlier, your passion does not carry over to a large portion of your generation (or seating section buddies).

I hope this reply doesn’t reflect poorly, as I agree that there may simply be a difference in opinion due to age. I was a student from 2004-2008, and things have changed largely regarding what is accepted at a football game. I don’t remember football games before they were overadvertised and overamplified. I simply think that the craziest, most electric, loudest crowd I’ve ever seen between the hedges was on a night when Soulja Boy was blaring through the loudspeaker, and if we have to use our PA system to replicate that atmosphere at every game (or anywhere close to it), I’m all for it.

On that note, here’s to only 36 days until Stillwater. Go Dawgs!

by hailtogeorgia on Jul 31, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give up......

We could not disagree more. It is my hope that either the NCAA or the SEC stops the athletic departments’ ever louder Public Address arms race.

by Vinings Dog on Aug 1, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Piping In Music (from a Michigan Fan)

This guy said it better than I………
As an alum and a kid from Michigan who left the state in 1995, I take a trip to Ann Arbor to see the team whenever I can; Traditions mean a lot to me because they show me that my experience at Michigan was part of something bigger, a culture and a history that is beyond trends. In this country, we don’t really honor those things anymore; Sports and entertainment, like neighborhoods and cities, are seen as disposable and constantly mutating. Sure, scoreboards and luxury boxes are changes, the songs the band chooses change, the players and coaches change, but the culture of MIchigan football, the tradition of which I am a part, stays relatively the same. I like that and it is one of the reasons I still love the football program.

In 2007, I was working in Florida and had the opportunity to attend the Capital One Bowl, which is a giant NASCAR toilet of an event held in the worst neighborhood in Orlando, FL. The game was riddled with incredibly loud, ESPN promo-knock off rock music, often times playing over the top of the band. The half time show featured short sets from the marching bands followed by a “Blues Brothers” Tribute act of incredibly awful proportions. Before the game, Stealth Bombers did a fly by, just in case we had forgotten how awesome war is and how relevant it is to college football. The stadium was packed with Florida fans awaiting the annointment of Tim Tebow as the homeschooled second coming of their favorite deity, constantly cheering big plays from the Gators, as the rock music drowned out their cheers. Despite this horror show of an experience, one of the worst three hours of stadium nonsense I have ever endured, Michigan won what was the least Michigan Football like experience of my entire life.

If Michigan Stadium became anything remotely resembling this nightmarish hellscape, a huge part of what makes Michigan Football what it is would die.

That said, my suggestion is to have the Marching band play WAR PIGS by Black Sabbath, as I still think that song would be awesome in front of and after important plays.

by Vinings Dog on Jul 31, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, while we're at it ...

I recognize change comes. I recognize that the players and recruits may prefer a more NFL-like atmosphere. I don’t mind the music so much. I don’t mind the pre-game and pre-fourth montages (that double as advertisements). I do, however, have two major complaints: (1) those “ribbon” displays at the bottoms of the upper decks are a serious distraction, since they fall squarely within my line of vision when I’m trying to take in what’s on the field — their displays should be muted except for time-outs, so all that flashing isn’t going on when I’m trying to pay attention to the field; and (2) the post-victory video display of Hairy Dawg ringing the Chapel bell needs to go — they’ve shortened it considerably in the last couple of years so there’s less of it playing over the Redcoat’s post-game concert, but the actual ringing of the actual bell in real time just up the hill is a great tradition best expressed by the act itself and not a video representation of it. I mean, really? That pre-taped nonsense is like saying, “Look at us! We have a tradition!” Next Independence Day, let’s just skip fireworks everywhere and play videos of them on big screens. Take your kids trick-or-treating via email. If you want the true game-day experience delivered to you electronically, stay at home with your television.

by NCT on Jul 31, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

grr...

make that Redcoats’.

by NCT on Jul 31, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: electronically rung Chapel Bell . . .

seconded. I am glad to know that bugs someone else.

by MaconDawg on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I appreciate all the points that have been made . . .

. . . and I believe there is a happy medium of using amplified recorded music to augment the Redcoats, as long as they do not drown out the band. We do this very well before the game, when the “Battle Hymn” soloist precedes the undeniably effective scoreboard montage. One segues into the other, but neither interferes with the other.

NCT’s example of the artificial bell ringing is a good one, as it unnecessarily intrudes upon a longstanding game day tradition while adding nothing of value. That, in my mind, is quite distinct from the Soulja Boy music (sans lyrics) from the 2007 season (particularly during the Ole Miss and Auburn games), as this music was played at a time that did not conflict with the Redcoats’ performance of their duties. There are times when the band is silent, and these times can be put to use. These can complement, rather than conflict with, one another; unquestionably, the crowd and the team were fired up by this particular use of a piped-in popular recording, which took nothing away from the band.

Vinings Dog, you make your points well when you are using your own words, but the Michigan man you quoted did not help your case. I am sorry that this delicate soul got the vapors and swooned at the “nightmarish hellscape” of what he called “a giant NASCAR toilet of an event held in the worst neighborhood in Orlando” and his alma mater calls the Big Ten’s second-best bowl tie-in.

When Big Ten fans of his stripe use the term “NASCAR” in a conversation unrelated to the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing, they are using loaded code every bit as much so as broadcasters do when they sidestep making explicit reference to race by using such phrases as “possession-type receiver,” “mobile quarterback,” “traditional drop-back passer,” and “team speed.” “NASCAR” is a particularly snide sort of northerner’s way of saying how stupid he thinks Southerners are, and every subsequent instance of ludicrous hyperbole (and they were legion) employed by that gentleman undermined his point still more.

Thankfully, Vinings Dog, you did not follow his lead. (Your lone bit of exaggeration—-the “tractor pull” line—-was recanted and corrected when it was brought to your attention, which is to your credit.) I point that out simply to say, you made reasonable points in a reasonable manner in your own words. Don’t rely on quoting folks who are neither as articulate nor as sensible as you are when making a point you are able to make exceptionally well on your own.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jul 31, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, counselor...

May I start by saying that I too, hate Auburn? (My enmity for the Plainsmen started in 1971 when I saw them beat one of the best Georgia teams of the 70’s in Sanford Stadium and my father and I had to suffer the slings and arrows of the Auburn faithful.)

Anyway, I want the University of Georgia to be the best it can be in academics, athletics, and even partying. I grew up forty miles from the University, got two degrees from there and I absolutely love it. Thus, it pains me to see us acting in a way that I believe is beneath us. (Let Auburn play, “Welcome to the Jungle” at the volume of an aircraft taking off).

Bear Bryant said, “Win with class and act like a champion.” Reflect on that piece of advice for a moment and ask yourself if we, the Bulldog Nation, are living up to that ideal. I do not think we are with the extremely loud sideshow.

Anyway, this horse is dead. I am tired, let’s just hope we can make some crucial defensive stops in Stillwater.

by Vinings Dog on Aug 1, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree big time...

I took my first trip to Baton Rouge for a game this past fall – and I think we both know it turned out well. I was suprised to find that the only extraneous noise coming from the loud speakers would be either a tiger growl right before the athletes ran onto the field or the announcer yelling a prolonged touchdown after an LSU score. They get the top recruiting classes without the “NFL Noise.” They get national championships without loud metal or rap songs. They avoid the awkward stat of having a better road winning percentage than home winning percentage without trying to appeal to the non-traditional football fan. I’m not saying the key to a national championshp is in the music, I’m just saying I could not agree with you more.

by Dawgomatic,forthePeople on Aug 1, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone who doesnt think piped in music can work

Has never been to bryant-denny when sweet home alabama comes on. There is a time and place for everything.

by Paulwesterdawg on Jul 31, 2009 10:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm a youngin'

I went to school from 04-08 too, but that Auburn game was by far the best game I’ve seen in Sanford Stadium and that’s probably the 50th time I’ve watched that video. :) I don’t know if Soulja Boy was the main reason for our stadium to be so electric but if it was, bring on more southern rap. That was honestly the only time I’ve really found Sanford Stadium to seem intimidating and I’d like for that to happen more often.

by DawgGirl32 on Aug 1, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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