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Big Ten v. SEC: Are Our Fans Crazier Than Theirs?

There are, in life, certain timeless questions. "Did President Obama borrow his ‘Yes, we can!’ mantra from Bob the Builder?" "Will it be possible for ‘Saturday Night Live’ to get Mike Myers back to play Andrew W.K. in a sketch spoofing ‘Destroy Build Destroy’?" "Is Erin Andrews all right?" "Do SEC fans love football more than Big Ten fans?"

The latter question, at least, has been addressed by The Rivalry, Esq.’s grahamfiller10, who interviewed me (among other SB Nation bloggers from SEC country) before I left on vacation. His insightful and intriguing post upon the subject sparked several intelligent comments, so I wanted to follow up on grahamfiller10’s treatment of the subject by reproducing lengthier excerpts from my answers to his questions. While I was quoted accurately and in context (rather than paraphrased), I wanted to go into greater depth than the space allotted to grahamfiller10’s article allowed.

When he asked me, "Does it matter which fanbase is more rabid?" I replied:

It only matters which fan base is more rabid on game day, and, even then, only inside the stadium. If your team has more guys waving signs behind the "College GameDay" set than mine, you haven't really won much. If your team has more fans tailgating in the parking lot than mine, what have you really accomplished? If your team puts more loud, intense fans in the stands than mine, my team may have a problem.

Oregon's Autzen Stadium has a seating capacity of 54,000, comparable to the number of fans Georgia Tech's Grant Field can host, yet I am much more nervous about the Bulldogs' upcoming date with the Ducks in Eugene in a couple of years than I am about the prospect of visiting Bobby Dodd Stadium in November. The Yellow Jackets simply don't have an intimidating home presence, which is why the Bulldogs have lost there just five times since 1964. The Oregon fans bring intensity to their venue, which is the only place that fan passion matters in a way that rises above the level of playground arguments over whether my dad can beat up your dad.

In addition, grahamfiller10 asked, "Is the crazy stuff (Houston Nutt’s FOIA requests and the occasional family shooting during an Alabama game) a product of a very different culture that exists in SEC states?" Part of my response was quoted in his article, but the remainder of my reply was as follows:

I believe it's fair to say that occasional outbursts of truly unruly behavior among SEC fan bases are the product of a different culture, on two levels.

On the level specific to sports, we have a deeper commitment to college football, in part, because there were no competing professional sports for many years. To use a pair of admittedly extreme examples, Northwestern long has had to compete with the Bears, the Cubs, and the White Sox for local fan attention and Boston College long has languished in the shadow of the Red Sox.

My grandfather, by contrast, was a St. Louis Cardinals fan because the Cards were the closest thing we had to a Southern major league baseball team in an era in which the powers that be in the national pastime deemed the Deep South too hot for baseball. The Braves and the Falcons arrived in Atlanta in 1966, the year Vince Dooley led the Bulldogs to their fifth SEC championship and Bobby Dodd guided the Yellow Jackets to the Orange Bowl. The NFL and major league baseball arrived comparatively late on the scene; the NBA and the NHL exist in the South chiefly so that sports fans in our region can ask, "Are the playoffs still going on?!?!"

On the larger cultural level, there are a couple of factors that come into play. The first is the sense of rootedness that William Faulkner and Eudora Welty wrote about and embodied. The Onion headline about how you will suffer humiliation when the team from my area defeats the team from your area has greater resonance in the South, where the notion of being bound to the land---to "my area"---has more traction over a longer period.

Coupled with that is a sense of chivalry. There are duties to be upheld, rituals to be observed, and, most of all, honor to be defended. We are true to our schools just like we are to our girls, sometimes literally. I am in no way a violent person, but the only times I have ever come even close to getting into fistfights since elementary school have been in confrontations with rival sports fans. The situation in which a Clemson fan and a South Carolina fan made a bet on the game and the winner of the bet shot the loser when the loser refused to pay up was tragic, stupid, and horrible . . . but it isn't hard to understand how a culture that once saw duels as a suitable method for settling manly disputes would give rise to such incidents on occasion.

College football is ingrained in our cultural heritage. When Alabama beat heavily favored Washington in the 1926 Rose Bowl, it became a real point of pride for the citizens of an impoverished state that had struggled since Reconstruction. When Georgia beat Michigan in the Big House in 1965, the Bulldogs were greeted at the airport by what Erk Russell swore was the largest crowd ever seen in Athens. SEC fans have carried "Remember Gettysburg" signs into the Superdome for Sugar Bowl dates with Penn State.

What do y’all think? Do we care about our college football more than they do?

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Just like many in the Bulldog Nation, I don’t think anyone cares about college football more than I do. However, that doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of people out there that care just as much as I do. Now, does the SEC have more of these “maxed out” fans than the Big Ten? If I had to guess, I’d say yes. Namely for all the reasons you stated above. What do you think Big Ten fans in the Midwest have been doing for the past 6 months? Enjoying the NHL and NBA playoffs, along with the first half of the MLB season, or obsessing over their alma mater’s football team and leading a life rife with depression and darkness until September? Again, I don’t know, but my guess would be the former.

by Ben In Georgia on Jul 13, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

not that tough

They love their football, and even their rivlalry game. We love our football, all of our rivalry games and our rivals games. When gainesville travels to Nashville, I am the biggest damn Commodores fan in the world. When West Opelika travel to Starkville, I am barking like one of those ugly bulldogs. In fact, not only do we love our Dawgs more, but we love the game more! You may say it is hard to quantify, but CBS and ESPN feel differently.

by MikeInValdosta on Jul 13, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

yes we do

i completely disagree with the idea that fans only matter in the stadium as noise. He completely disregards the fact that the players are kids on college campuses and are affected greatly by an overwhelming amount of outside factors. Atmosphere and attitude have huge bearings on the outcomes of games.
I also tend to agree that cultural pride has a lot to do with a prideful fan base. Maybe fans don’t cruise around anymore with “the south will rise again” signs, but southerners have great pride for their heritage and culture which is extremely misunderstood and underrated. The actual people who are these towns and states are represented by these teams. The lack of professional teams has a huge part in the superiority of college football down south. Regardless, college fans will always be more loyal and intense than nfl fans.

by hotdawgin on Jul 14, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

SEC

I’ve never been to a Big Ten game at a Big Ten stadium (other than Michigan at Northwestern, which doesn’t count), however I’m surrounded by Big Ten fans here in Chicago. The Ohio State fans I’ve encountered in my time are hands down the most well-educated college football fans I’ve ever met. They travel extremely well, and spare no expense in visiting the incredible non-conference games they schedule (Texas, USC).

However, other than Ohio St. fans, I’ve been somewhat disappointed with my experience with fans of Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, etc. Everyone goes to the bar to watch the games during the fall, but no one wants to talk about football in July, like I do. No one seems to know the intriguing freshmen that will battle for starting positions, or whether a new young coach will make any difference. No one is excited (or even knows about) a great player that was injured last year and how awesome it will be to have them back. It’’s pretty much a fall-season for everybody else.

Of course, this is really just a broad generalization — there are certainly die hards of every school. That said, I believe SEC fans are, on the whole, significantly more rabid than their Big Ten counterparts. I would love to see a game at Ohio St., Penn St. or the Big House, to see if it changed my mind. Still I don’t think any of those three would compete with Athens, Knoxville, Baton Rouge, or Gainesville.

by WindyCityDawg on Jul 14, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing is certain

Let it never be said that Big Ten fans don’t get passionate about football. I once again submit for your consideration:

by vineyarddawg on Jul 14, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I think so.

They’ve got the top 3 stadiums in the country in terms of capacity – 1) Penn State; 2) Michigan; 3) Ohio State. Point in their favor. However, if you’re talking about the conferences, you’ve got to go all the way to the bottom.

Average stadium capacity, Big 10: 74,259
Average stadium capacity, SEC: 77,886

So the SEC has a slight edge there. Stadium capacity isn’t entirely a reflection of fan craziness, though; how full are these stadiums? For 2008:

Average percent stadium capacity filled, Big 10: 90.7
Average percent stadium capacity filled, SEC: 96.9

That’s a pretty sizable gap. That’s why the SEC has the country’s best attendance. We don’t just have the seats, we fill them.

10 of the SEC’s 12 teams filled 95% or more of their stadium. The only exceptions were Arkansas and Mississippi State. Yes, Vandy had a 96% attendance rate. :-) Conversely, almost half – 5 – Big 10 teams – were below 95%. So basically, their top programs – Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin – are a match for anyone in the SEC. However, we’re talking about the conference and region. Our less successful teams draw more than their less successful teams. That tells me that SEC fans are crazy about their teams, win or lose, while Big 10 fans are crazy about consistent winners, but not so much about the losing programs. That, to me, is an indication that SEC fans are crazier than Big 10 fans.

Ask yourself this, though: your team has to win one game in an opponent’s stadium against a jacked-up crowd. Which stadium would you want to play in less? The Big House or Neyland? Ohio Stadium or Death Valley at night? Happy Valley or the Swamp? Camp Randall or Sanford? I’d rather my team had to go into a Big 10 stadium any time. Fat guys in berets might cry at OSU games, but they’ve got nothing to challenge crazy Cajuns.

by Rabid Dawg on Jul 23, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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