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Grounds for (Limited) Optimism Against Gators


I hope I'm not violating some sort of unspoken taboo against early discussion of some of the stuff in Phil Steele's new preview.  In case there is, I'll  avoid spoiling too many things for those who haven't gotten mitts on it yet, and limit this to one issue: are there any grounds for optimism in the 2009 Georgia-Florida game, given the Gators' scary return of talent from a championship team, and the results of that horrid contest last year?  

There appear to be two, aside from Steele's positive assessment of Georgia's potential this year.   One, of course, is the bye week before the Gator game; the Dawgs are 10-2 in regular season games after a bye week since 2002, and one of those games was the big win in Jax in 2007.  The second is that Florida had a positive turnover margin of 22 last year.  And as Steele always argues, such large margins, positive or negative, have a tendency to reverse in the next season.  Given the role of turnovers in Florida's one loss last season, that's worth remembering. 

As I've said here before, some of us old alumni remember when Georgia used to own Florida as much as Florida has owned us since the arrival of Spurrier.  I have no superstitious awe of the Gators; just the realistic awe based on their performance last year and the players they have coming back.

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Actually there probably a few more . . .

And please correct me if I’m wrong fellow posters (including skigator) but I believe the Gators will only have 1 scholarship TE who can play this year . . . Although they’re a spread team; a lack of TEs could make things difficult for them in goal to go situations. I also believe that their gonna have to replace two offensive lineman and that their OL depth could be an issue.

Secondly, I have to think that those two late TDs the gators scored at the end of the game last year is gonna give them dawgs some added incentive as well, similar to what the TD celebration did for the Gator’s D the following off-season.

Third, it should also be noted that the Gators are breaking in a new Offensive coordinator & QB coach. This new OC (they’re O-Line if I remember correctly) maybe every bit as good as Mullen but then again he could also be their version of Randy Saunders (UT’s OC after Cutcliffe left for Ole Miss). His appitude asside Teabow’s gonna have to get adjusted to a new QB coach. [Although Teabow has proven to be such a coachable player that unless this guy is a total jerk, I wouldn’t think there should be too many problems). But still, when you lose continunity on your staff, power house programs take a step back (see USC after Norm Chow left & FSU after Richt and Chuck Amato left).

Finally it should be noted that this is the SEC we’re talking about. The in-conference competition is second to none and any body can win any given week (especially if you’ve got a bye work before you play them).

That said, the Gators are stacked and if they manage to repeat in the vaunted SEC you won’t hear me whining about it. They’ll have earned it.

by charlottedawg on Jun 7, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the most important statistic

Since 1965, Georgia is 7-1 against the defending national champion.

For this reason, and this reason alone, I warmly gradulated the Gator in January after winning the BCS national championship. (I hate Florida.)

by vineyarddawg on Jun 8, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you.

Personally, I think the Celebration accomplished what Coach Richt said he wanted it to accomplish: it reset the teams’ psyche against the Gators. I think the team and a lot of fans went in still expecting to win last year. Getting blown out was not a result of the Gators “being in our heads,” but rather simply us not being in the same league with them last year, as is obvious to anyone who watched the Dawgs in any of our other games last year.

No doubt the Gators are going to be good this year, but I’ll sign on as cautiously optimistic, which is a big change from pre-2007 when I just pretty much checked the WLOCP off as a loss at the beginning of the season.

by wqueenjr on Jun 8, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct on the TE point

While we are extremely thin at TE, the one returning starter is a great one. Aaron Hernandez was amongst the best TEs in the conference last season as a sophomore and his best 3 games last year were the final 3 – against FSU, Bama in the SEC Championship and Oklahoma in the BCS Championship. He is a huge target who creates coverage problems for defenders. That’s the good news for our side – the bad news is you have to squint at the roster to see anything else in the TE department.

Desmond Parks, a true freshman (but who enrolled in January) is the only other pure TE scholly player on the team. He was a 3 star recruit, so who knows if he’ll pan out or not – he’s surely not a top prized recruit that we expect to come in and take over from day one. TJ Pridemore, a ‘08 linebacker/fullback signee, could also see some action at the position. That being said – the Gators didn’t lose much from last year’s team at TE. Redshirt Senior Tate Casey caught 4 balls for 64 yards in 2008. While Cornelious Ingram was projected as a top contributor, he missed the entire season, which helped Hernandez see more action earlier. Our offense does not focus too much on the TEs and Hernandez will be a good one for when it does. As long as he stays healthy, we should be okay there.

The biggest loss on offense is definitely Percy Harvey (sic). He has been the go-to guy whenever we need a big play or a key 3rd down. He is not a guy you can replace man for man, so hopefully 2-3 guys can step up to fill at least a large part of the void he leaves. We also need to replace a couple starters on OL, but we played a lot of younger guys last season due to injury and in blowouts so hopefully we can plug those holes too. The focus of the 2009 team will not be on the offensive side of the ball though. With the top 22 players returning on defense – plus 3 former starters who missed last season with injuries, this defense should be the best to ever suit up for the Gators. Our offense should not need to score 40 points to win games. Our defense allowed 12.9 ppg last season so they should give us more than enough opportunities to win games even if the offense is off.

I also don’t think that Phil Steele’s turnover theory referenced above holds too much water. Typically, championship teams are hugely positive in turnover margin. Typically, championship teams also lose a ton of players to graduation and/or the NFL the following season and must rebuild using younger, mistake prone players. I believe that is the reason for the reversal of turnover margin following a big plus year. However, Florida is fortunate enough to return a 3 year starting senior quarterback who probably has one of the lowest TD to INT ratios in the history of college football. Coupled with all the talent returning on defense, I expect us to post some gaudy positive turnover margin numbers against this year. (That said, I also believe that Steele’s theory will hold true in 2010 after we lose a EVERYBODY).

I do agree with Donkey that the BYE week is a big advantage, as UGA players will have an extra week to get healthy and to prepare a game plan for the Gators. I also think that there is something to Kyle’s 19 year cycle and UGA’s ownership of defending national champions theories. Numbers are numbers and while sometimes hard to explain, we have to at least acknowledge the facts. However, I am equally hopeful that Florida’s unusual situation of returning so much from its championship team will postpone the end of our current era of the cycle and break the Dawg’s streak of dominance over champions one year removed.

I’m not chalking this one up as a win already by any means – injuries can happen, star players do stupid things, and this is now a (re)heated rivalry game.

by skigator93 on Jun 8, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no hope

“Limited optimism”? Resistance is futile. The almighty Gators, blessed by their Champion’s righteous and vengeful god, will smite us under their collective spiked heel. We have no chance, no possibility of victory against the consensus pre-season #1 juggernaut and their jorts of destruction. No power can stand against an entire defensive 2-deep returning, or the blinding fast speed of their myriad running backs. If we were smart, we would forfeit the game before the season begins, lest we be forced to step onto the field against our dread foe, destined as we are for destruction and derision. As it is, we might as well take the sackcloth and roll in the ashes of our foolish preseason hopes, for there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth on All Hallow’s Eve, when down by the waters of Jacksonville we will sit down and weep.

We have no chance to survive, make our time. All our base are belong them.

Leaving insightful football commentary and analysis to other people since 2006.

by wwcmrd? on Jun 10, 2009 6:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So which is better...

… a spiked heel, or a hobnail boot?

I suppose either could be better when you have an almighty, righteous, and wrathful God on your side. In that case, even a pen light would be enough.

by vineyarddawg on Jun 11, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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