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The Only Way In Which Big Ten Football Is Superior to S.E.C. Football

When I learned from Senator Blutarsky that North Texas was slated to play Georgia between the hedges on August 31, 2013, I immediately thought of the renewal of the Bulldogs’ series with Clemson.

As someone who agrees with Streit that we need to revive the rivalry with Clemson, I was thrilled when Damon Evans announced that the old foes would meet in 2013 and 2014. That agreement was reached in 2005, when my son was two and a half years old, but, as soon as I read about it, I quickly did the math and told my wife that, since the boy would be ten the next time the ‘Dawgs played by the shores of Lake Hartwell, he and I were going. My son knows that road trip is planned; anytime he hears Clemson mentioned, he comments on the fact that we will be going to see the Red and Black play in Memorial Stadium in a few years.

I had assumed, though, that the two teams would open the 2013 and 2014 seasons against one another. After all, the last time Georgia and Clemson met, in 2002 and 2003, the Bulldogs and the Tigers squared off at the start of the autumn. Historical trends certainly support the notion that it is wise for the Red and Black to begin the fall by facing the Orange and Purple; the last four times the Classic City Canines kicked off the campaign against the Fort Hill Felines (in 1946, 1982, 2002, and 2003), the ‘Dawgs went a combined 46-5, attended three Sugar Bowls, won three S.E.C. championships and two Eastern Division titles, and finished in the A.P. top seven four times. That’s a good omen if ever there was one.

As it turns out, though, Georgia will be getting the 2013 season underway against the Mean Green instead of the Country Gentlemen. Intrigued, I took a look at the Bulldogs’ tentative 2013 schedule and found Clemson slated to be the Red and Black’s first road date on September 21, the week after the ‘Dawgs host South Carolina and the week before they welcome Alabama between the hedges.

For the moment, Clemson is penciled in as the first game for 2014, although Georgia’s non-A.C.C. out-of-conference opponents have yet to be determined. I, like my colleague FSUncensored, am obsessed with scheduling, so I got to thinking about the arrangement of our slate, and I thought back to something Nick Saban said a while ago:

One of the things I think would be more beneficial to our league in doing that and, again, this is kind of coming from the Big 10, we didn't start the Big 10 season until like September 20, the fourth week of the season.

We played our three non-conference games right off the bat, all right, which I think is an advantage because if you play a good opponent and you don't have success, your team can continue to improve and you can prove in those three games before you come into league play.

Typically, I am not one to follow the lead of the Big Ten, a conference that brags about the academic reputations of its member institutions yet lacks the basic math skills to realize that (a) you can’t call a conference the "Big Ten" if it has eleven teams (there’s a reason why the "Big 8" became the "Big 12" and the "Pac-8" became the "Pac-10") and (b) you can’t play a nine-game conference schedule if you have eleven teams. Upon this point, though, I believe the fine folks from the Midwest may be onto something.

Why not go ahead and get the non-conference slate out of the way first and build up to all-important S.E.C. play? If you wanted to follow Bill Snyder’s philosophy of "stair-stepping into your season," you could start with a Division I-AA team, then play a Sun Belt team, then play a lower-tier B.C.S. conference team, then play an up-and-coming mid-major or a legitimate B.C.S. conference opponent before beginning S.E.C. play.

Although the league boasts many heavyweights, the conference is not without its bottom-dwellers, so there are some soft spots in the S.E.C. slate; it isn’t as though running a gauntlet of eight straight conference outings would be tantamount to visiting Baton Rouge or Gainesville every Saturday. Besides, moving the non-conference games to the front of the schedule would serve the highly desirable functions of getting the Georgia Tech game out of the way early and shifting the Auburn game back to the end of the year where it belongs.

To me, that makes a lot more sense than playing Tennessee Tech in November. What do y’all think?

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Kyle,

I agree with you on almost everything (WLOCP not withstanding), but I think this one is going to be a tough sell. I really have no problem with moving all the nonconference games up, but there is NO WAY Tech would go for not playing us at the end of the year. Their program is obsessed with us and would rather beat us at the end of the year than go to a bowl game.

Personally, I’d love to see Tech and SCU both dropped from our schedule since beating us makes there season and us beating them brings me very little satisfaction. More just the relief of not having to hear from their idiot fans for another year.

Ideally, and I’m probably in the minority on this one, I’d like to see the SEC drop SCU and Arkansas(who belongs in the Big 12 anyway), and then adopt the Pac 10’s round robin scheduling. But…..yeah, the good folk in ATL probably aren’t going to let the SEC get rid of that cash cow in December.

by UgaMatt on Jun 3, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree that the Tenn Tech’s and LA Monroes should not be played in November, but I don’t like the idea of playing all non conference games up front in a row, esp Ga Tech. I would hate to see inter conference games of the SEC moved and disrupt ‘rivalry week’. I grew up loving to watch UF/FSU and all its national implications.

by knowshon loves legos on Jun 3, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KLL makes a great point

Rivalry week belongs at the end of the season. It’s the one game you really want to win each year. Even when teams have poor seasons, they can still look to playing their in-state rival at the end of the year as a bowl game of sorts (even if the team doesn’t qualify for one of the 74 boels out there). To play your biggest rival in week 2 or 3 would take away from the buildup.

Miami/FSU was the exception (back in the 90s at least when they were both top programs and everyone had an eye on the game). But I think if FSU didn’t have UF for traditional rivalry week then they would be playing Miami at the end of the season.

Also, although it is painful to watch a November patsy game, if such opponents are going to be scheduled anyway, it gives teams a chance to get healthy for the stretch run, for rivalry week, and to get some backups some playing time. As painful as that late patsy is, how awful would it be to have to sit through 3 pre-season games before the “real” games start? It’s already tough enough making it through the spring and summer to the first kickoff!!!!

by skigator93 on Jun 3, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue that Miami-F.S.U. isn't the exception

Kentucky and Louisville play at the beginning of the year, as do Colorado and Colorado State. Michigan and Michigan State play at midseason, as do Iowa and Iowa State. There is plenty of precedent for playing your in-state rival (particularly when that opponent is a non-conference rival) earlier in the year. Georgia and Florida both went many, many years without playing their in-state rivals at the end of the slate.

Georgia Tech simply isn’t our biggest rival. At one point, they were, but, since the end of the Bobby Dodd era and the advent of the Vince Dooley era, they’ve been what their insect mascot suggests they are: an annoyance. Florida and Auburn are much bigger rivals for Georgia than Georgia Tech. Georgia and Tennessee are much bigger rivals for Florida than Florida State. Y’all may enjoy beating them, but the ’Noles are a spent volcano.

South Carolina fans can argue credibly that Clemson remains the Gamecocks’ biggest rival. Georgia and Florida fans cannot claim with a straight face that their in-state rivals are their biggest (or even second-biggest) rivals. Why give pride of place at the end of the schedule to second-tier rivals who value beating us more than we value beating them?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jun 3, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh joy...

….another “road trip” to the Lake Hartwell Cow College.

Also, leave the last game as it is……the North Avenue Trade School sissies would become suicidal if they didn’t have a chance of winning at least 2 games a decade. I haven’t given a crap about that game in years (let’s be honest folks, it is no longer a meaningful rivalry game fo us. If we don’t beat them 80% of the time shame on us. They live to HATE us. We are indifferent to them.) At South Carolina at least they have better fans, better manners, and better looking co-eds.

Florida, Auburn & Tennessee. These are the games that matter.

by JEFFCODAWG on Jun 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On In-State Rivals

Ask any UF fan if we could only win 1 game a year who would it be and most will still say FSU without hesitation. I personally would say UGA, but only because I am an Atlantan and didn’t grow up in Florida like most UF fans/alumni. I therefore believe I am the exception and not part of the consensus.

As for the ’Noles being a spent volcano – for the time being that is accurate, but since they continue to rack up big time recruiting classes, it is only a matter of time (i.e. when Bowden retires) that they return to prominence and become a huge obstacle for us.

Also, I am not trying to be an ass, but didn’t Georgia Tech just beat you last season between the hedges? The Chan Gailey era is over and I think as long as Paul Johnson is at the helm at Tech, he will put a competitive product on the field and it may not continue to be so one-sided in the UGA game.

Good call Kyle on all the other early season rivalries – I figured I was overlooking some but didn’t realize there were quite so many. It’s easy to overlook the Big 10 after all.

by skigator93 on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two words:

Pepper Rodgers.

Georgia’s dominance of Georgia Tech goes back long before Chan Gailey. Even their best recent coach, George O’Leary, got his three straight wins over the Bulldogs by fielding multiple academically ineligible athletes (for which the Yellow Jackets later received N.C.A.A. sanctions), and, even then, two of those three victories required clearly erroneous officiating calls that would have been overturned using instant replay . . . and, even with all of that, he still had a losing record against Georgia.

Paul Johnson runs an unconvential offense that is becoming more mainstream, and, hence, more familiar to opposing defensive coordinators. He got the benefit of facing the worst Georgia defense of the Mark Richt era, and, even then, his team won by a field goal. Coach Johnson took a team that annually lost five games and whittled that total down to four losses. Color me unfrightened.

Also, I think Florida State is done. The guy who follows the legend always fails. I give Jimbo Fisher four years before being fired . . . and, by that time, the Seminoles will have been down for better than a decade. They’ve fallen, and they can’t get up.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jun 3, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give Johnson the benefit of the doubt

He’s won everywhere he’s been – he turned an 0-10 Navy team around in 2 years and made them a consistent winner. He brought a young team to your house last year and defeated what was billed as a pretty good Bulldog squad – margin of victory notwithstanding.

The guy has been at Tech for one year – he installed a brand new offense and his team was very young. You might want to change your color just a bit, at least until Johnson has a L on his record courtesy of the Dawgs.

FSU has still managed top 10 recruiting classes 3 out of the past 4 years. They are still getting players, they just need a new regime to coordinate the talent. I’m not sure “the guy following the legend” rule applies in FSU’s case. I submit that the guy who followed Bowden is the current senile Bowden, who is indeed failing miserably!!

by skigator93 on Jun 3, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Emphasis on "what was billed as"

It wasn’t a very good Bulldog squad, preseason predictions notwithstanding. The margin of victory cannot easily be overlooked; if Georgia had made one second-half stop, the ‘Dawgs would have won the game. The Bulldogs lost two butt-whippings in 2008; the Georgia Tech game wasn’t remotely close to being one of them.

Pepper Rodgers took over a Kansas program that had gone 4-15-1 in the two years before his arrival and he had his Jayhawks in the Orange Bowl within two years. He then moved on to a U.C.L.A. program that had won three of its previous eight games; between the end of his first year with the Bruins and the end of his tenure there, he went 17-5-1.

Coach Rodgers returned to the Peach State to take over at Georgia Tech. He installed the wishbone and, in his first season, he took the Yellow Jackets to Athens, where, on a cold, rainy, miserable day, his team lit up the Bulldog defense to claim a victory between the hedges.

Sound familiar?

Pepper Rodgers went 2-4 against Georgia. I’ve seen this movie before, and I know how it ends.

A lot of guys have won one in a row. Paul Johnson is Georgia Tech’s Jim Donnan.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jun 3, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess time will tell

Old Pepper was before my time, so I didn’t know about any of that history within the rivalry. I do note that Rodger’s lifetime college coaching record is 73-65-3, while Johnson sports a 116-43 mark. Time will tell.

by skigator93 on Jun 3, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True . . .

. . . but Barry Switzer also had a better winning percentage as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys than Jimmy Johnson did, yet no reasonable person could claim Barry Switzer was a better N.F.L. coach than Jimmy Johnson was.

Barry Switzer inherited a Cowboys franchise in much better shape than the one Jimmy Johnson inherited. Likewise, Pepper Rodgers took over losing programs at all three of his coaching stops, whereas Paul Johnson inherited winners at Georgia Southern and Georgia Tech. To repeat, going from a five-loss season to a four-loss season is not a dramatic upward shift, particularly when even modest defensive competence would have produced a Bulldog victory against the Yellow Jackets. Time will tell, but the smart money is on Mark Richt, not Paul Johnson.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jun 3, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The real test for Johnson will be over the next 3 years

I think making any kind of improvement when you install a completely new system using your predecessor’s players is a plus. Some of those guys may not have really fit into the triple option offense. We all know how well Chris Leak fit into the spread, yet a great coach can make do with what he’s got to maximize wins.

I think final judgment for Johnson will come when he has his own recruits running his system.

by skigator93 on Jun 3, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait wait wait...

USC has good fans? Are you on crack? Also, we posted your article in our Wednesday links yesterday over at Block-c, fwiw.

by Willy Mac on Jun 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tech post-1966

Tech’s all-time record against us is 39-59. That’s not good by any stretch of the imagination, but even their .40 winning pct. overall belies how awful they’ve been against us since Vince Dooley’s arrival in 1966. In 1965, the rivalry was in a deadlock with UGA leading the overall series by one game at 28-27. That means we have gone 31-12 against the Trade Schoolers in the past 42 years. That’s a little south of 3 wins per decade. It’s pretty analogous to Florida’s dominance over UGA since the arrival of Spurrier.

Sic 'em Dawgs

by ClassicCityDawg on Jun 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with the Clemson placement in 2013

I don’t like seeing it between South Carolina and Alabama. I’d rather put North Texas State there and open with Clemson. Starting the season off with the Pawprints didn’t do at all badly for us in 2002-2003, did it?

As for the Big 10, I don’t think that what’s good for them is necessarily good for us. I shouldn ’t like seeing our SEC season end on the third Saturday in November, either.

by Vindexdawg on Jun 3, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A better solution

At the risk of expanding the topic beyond the original intended scope, I submit that we should trade the ACC Georgia Tech and Clemson for SCAR and Vanderbilt. We could then still play the nerds at the end of the schedule every year, and regularly play the Fort Hill Felines without using up a non-conference slot.

Or maybe we could work out a multi-way swap… Clemson and GT go to the SEC, SCAR and Louisville go to the ACC, Arkansas goes to the Big 12, and Missou goes to the Big 10. (And the Big East cries about losing Louisville and picks up somebody like… oh, say, Marshall.)

by vineyarddawg on Jun 3, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Iron Bowl...

…would keep us from playing Auburn at the end of the season. We may look at Auburn as one of our biggest (if not the biggest) rival, but I doubt they would give up the Iron Bowl at the end of each season to play UGA.

by marktheshark on Jun 3, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right . . .

. . . but any Yellowhammer State football fan who looks at it that way needs to learn more history.

Between 1892 and 1926, Alabama ended the regular season against Auburn four times, against Georgia four times, against Mississippi State four times, and against Tennessee seven times.

Auburn was not the last opponent on the Crimson Tide’s slate even once between 1896 and 1947. For various reasons, ’Bama ended the regular season against opponents other than the Plainsmen in 1963, 1988, 2001 (due to the rescheduling of games after the September 11 terrorist attacks), 2002, and 2003.

Besides, on the list of Iron Bowl traditions, playing the game at Legion Field in Birmingham was a much more entrenched attribute of the rivalry than playing the game at the end of the season. That changed; this can change.

I hate Auburn as much as any Alabama fan, and, while the Crimson Tide allowed their rivalry with the Plainsmen to languish for more than four decades, my alma mater hasn’t missed an annual meeting with Auburn in more than a century for any reason other than a worldwide war or the death of a player from injuries sustained during a game. I’ll stake our claim to Auburn as our traditional season-ending rival up against Alabama’s any day of the week and twice on Saturday.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jun 3, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Opening Opponent

Kyle,
I see on the “future schedules” that at the moment South Carolina is game one as of now for 2014 & 2015 with dates of 9/5 and 9/3. I’m not looking at a calander for those years but are we gonna play an SEC team to start the year again? If I remember correctly playing the Gamecocks game one didn’t work out well in the past. Now if we want to play Tennessee game one at night , I’d be fine with that! Red Pants necessary.

by JoeinSavannah on Jun 6, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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