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Kyle Gets Contrary: Should Bloggers Be More Like Newspaper Columnists?

Now that I’m starting to get a little attention for getting contrary, it’s time to tackle a question that may get me in trouble with some of my colleagues. SB Nation’s Nebraska blogger corn blight recently wrote in defense of Stampede Blue’s Big Blue Shoe, who was the target of this criticism from the Indianapolis Star’s Bob Kravitz:

We are a culture in hiding. We are scared to death of confrontation. We can't look another person in the eyes and say what needs to be said. We say what we want to say, and then we want to run to a safe place where nobody can tell us we're full of baloney.

E-mail. Blogs. Twitter. Text messaging. Anonymously written Web posts. Message boards.

One-way conversations.

Lots of words.

So little accountability. . . .

My biggest objection is the proliferation of blogs and posts by anonymous weenies -- or pansies, if you will.

Everybody is big and brave behind a pseudonym, but confront them face to face, and next thing you know they're changing underwear. . . .

It's like this: You will be taken seriously, and should be taken seriously and should be given credentials to cover the team, when you stop hiding behind silly names.

Bill Simmons doesn't hide. Will Leitch and the folks at Deadspin don't hide. The thousands of newspaper bloggers out there don't hide. . . .

We hide behind technology that makes one-way conversations possible.

We hide behind technology that provides us with pseudonyms and takes accountability out of the equation.

Journalism, and life, are about true human connections. We lose that, we lose the essence of what it means to truly communicate.

While I by no means endorse Kravitz’s unfair condemnation of the quality of work being done by Big Blue Shoe and the site’s co-authors (or his use of split infinitives, which I will not tolerate in anyone other than William Shatner), Kravitz has a larger point and he puts his money where his mouth is by having this biography next to his column:

Bob Kravitz has been a Star sports columnist since 2000.

He is married, has two young daughters, two cats and too many emotional problems to count. In his spare time, he attempts to play ice hockey and golf.

Bob writes four times a week, with two or three of them being vaguely readable.

Phone: 1-317-444-6643
E-mail: bob.kravitz@indystar.com

I have read exactly one of his columns and I have never heard him speak in any forum, but, at least in this piece, Kravitz isn’t unleashing a profanity-laced Buzz Bissinger rant about how weblogs are polluting the minds of his [expletive deleted] children. He isn’t making blanket condemnations of the blogosphere; he is, in fact, endorsing much of the benefit the blogosphere provides. Rather than denounce and deride the guy, we should give serious consideration to the legitimate argument he makes.

Exactly three years ago today, I wrote this:

If the blogosphere is keeping the punditry honest, who will watch the watchers? Can we really hold the mainstream media to account if, as Kirk Bohls observes, we fail to adhere to the very standards we are attempting to impose upon professional journalists?

None of us is a "college football fan" in the sense of being an aficionado of the game without any attachment to a particular team. Even if our affinity for our own favorite squad has blossomed into an affection for the sport as a whole, we all arrived at the enterprise through one team specifically before broadening our interests to the game generally. Any pretense to the contrary is disingenuous in the extreme.

Personally, I would prefer it if every weblogger, like Doug Gillett and Warren St. John, put his full name, his photograph, and his pertinent particulars on his blog, although I understand why many reputable participants in the blogosphere choose to use first names only (like Michael at the Atlanta Sports Blog) or to use pseudonyms (like Paul Westerdawg at the Georgia Sports Blog). . . .

We in the blogosphere want our commentary to be given the same deference and weight with which professional sports reporters' columns are regarded. We also want to be able to hold mainstream journalists accountable for their shortcomings. In order for those things to happen, we must hold ourselves to the same standards.

First and foremost, this requires allowing our readers to know enough---whether we use our real names or not---to allow them to assess for themselves whether we have axes to grind that call our credibility into question.

I still think we all ought to use our real names, although I continue to recognize and respect the reasons many very good bloggers (including my own co-author here at Dawg Sports) have for keeping their secret identities to themselves. There are times when it is exceedingly useful to Batman for his enemies not to know he’s really Bruce Wayne, and not just because it allows him to snipe at them with impunity.

Kravitz is right that this shouldn’t be a one-way street, though. He has correctly identified the beauty of the blogosphere, where on-line communities may carry on civilized conversations in a way they can’t (or won’t) at other outlets. Read the comments that follow a Terence Moore column, then read the comments that follow a Dawg Sports posting, and you’ll see a marked difference, even among people who disagree strongly with one another.

Can we do that anonymously? Some can and many do. On the whole, though, we as a culture tend to be better behaved when we put our reputations on the line whenever we express our thoughts and own up to the positions we take. That doesn’t mean there can’t be honest give-and-take between two contestants using screen names---there can be---but PreserveTheUnion60 and LittleGiantIll are less likely to engage in the Lincoln-Douglas debates on a message board than two men standing before their fellow citizens and speaking their minds with the courage of their convictions.

I’m not going to "out" anyone by revealing the real names of any bloggers who prefer to preserve their anonymity for reasons having nothing to do with the base motives Kravitz ascribes. Many an author has been given greater freedom to speak the truth by using a pseudonym, so I am not going to condemn across the board a practice which has a history of validity that long antedates the advent of the silicon chip.

It seems to me, though, that the better bet is that the blogosphere will be taken more seriously as we continue to augment the openness and accountability of the process. Paul Westerdawg said it best: "Transparency and disclosure is a better policy in everything not involving national security and comments about your wife's butt size."

David Hale’s byline goes on everything he writes, and he hears about it anytime the slightest error happens to slip through the cracks. Heck, he hears about it if he so much as links to someone and someone else thinks the first someone got it wrong. Professional journalists like David treat those of us in "The Dawgosphere" as colleagues; it’s unfair for us to expect to be treated on equal footing if we’re not going to subject ourselves to the same exacting standards and accept the same public criticisms.

Yes, full-time reporters like David Hale do this for a living and webloggers generally have day jobs and maintain their sites in their spare time for little or no money. The fact that he’s a professional and we’re de facto amateurs doesn’t absolve us of responsibility, though. Shelby Foote was a professional novelist and an amateur historian, but that didn’t relieve him of the obligation to get the facts right when writing the definitive account of the War Between the States.

You know and respect such names as Peter Bean, Brian Cook, Spencer Hall, and Matt Hinton. They are the leaders in the field and Bob Kravitz is correct that the course they have charted---up-front honesty as an avenue to attaining credibility---ultimately is the road to success in this increasingly important industry.

We in the blogosphere have an obligation to pay attention to the valid points Bob Kravitz makes. Only then can we expect to be treated as equal, and equally legitimate, contributors to the public discourse on sports in which the lines increasingly are blurred, often for the betterment of all of us. Only then can we expect to be taken seriously when we offer valid constructive criticisms of the traditional media . . . like pointing out the excessive frequency of their paragraph breaks, for instance.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Credibility, Accountibility, and Pseudonyms

I’m very happy that you are taking on this subject, which gets into the whole ripe area of sports journalism’s relationship with sports blogs. This particular issue has been endlessly litigated in the political blogosphere, where the general feeling, Right and Left, is that the loss of personal privacy associated with abandoning pseudonyms should be congruent with the actual assertion of contested facts.

If I do a post asserting that Lane Kiffin has secretly consecrated a temple to Satan, then obviously, I shouldn’t hide under a pseudonym. If I do a post opining that Lane Kiffin represents a Satanic influence on SEC football, what, exactly, is gained from an exposure of my specific identity? Any blog site that wants to maintain some sort of credibility will censor scurrilous posts, attributed or not, in any event. And the libel lawyers do have an inhibiting effect in extreme cases, since pseudonyms are usually not hard to penetrate.

Kravitz’s complaint, which you at least partially endorse, seems to be that anonymity enables bloggers to say things they wouldn’t say “man to man.” That may be true in small towns, where everybody knows everybody, but frankly, in most urban contexts, somebody blasting Kravitz for misrepresenting the talents of a three-star Purdue recruit will have no more or less credibility for posting as “Ralph Hodges” as opposed to “Boiler-on-the-Ass,” or whatever. And to be honest about it, once a blogger becomes influential enough to be irritating, he or she will probably become known by the real identity.

Online commenters are a whole ‘nother issue, but there is no power on earth that can or should compel them to disclose their identities. And quite obviously, online accessibility—and exposure to commenters—has become the lifeline for MSM sportswriters, so they shouldn’t bite the nasty hand that feeds.

Since I use a pseudonym, I will show good faith by disclosing the vastly unimportant fact that my own name is Ed Kilgore, UGA Law School Class of ‘79. I have “disguised” my identity on this site to avoid any irrelevant conflicts with Dawg fans who don’t share the political opinions I offer freely on the internet. I would hope that nobody here gives a damn about my views on anything other than college football, but here’s “transparency,” if it matters. It usually doesn’t.

by donkeydawg on May 28, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

A Sensitive Issue

I chose to remain anonymous for the first year and a half or so of blogging before posting some basic background info at my home base. It’s not easy to track down from these SBNation parts, but if someone really cared, they could find it since my site is linked to from my profile. I just wasn’t comfortable for a while, and then I changed my mind. Can’t put a finger on what the tipping point was.

It’s a sensitive issue precisely because of bloggers having day jobs. Companies (especially the large ones) are very sensitive as to what their employees say in public, and for some, simply not revealing your employer isn’t enough. I don’t ever talk about who I work for and that’s good enough for me, but that’s not universal. This especially a concern for those bloggers who work for journalistic institutions as some have been fired for letting their identities become public.

There are plenty of people who made impacts behind pseudonyms, from Mark Twain and George Orwell to a modern online example like “Paula Jones” of Groklaw. As long as you’re consistent with your online name, there is still accountability in tracking what you write. As long as MaconDawg is always MaconDawg wherever he goes, his reputation follows him and his real name doesn’t matter.

I mean, what does Bob Kravitz gain by learning that my name is David and I have a master’s degree in information science? Kinda the whole point of the blogging “revolution” (so to speak) is that it doesn’t matter who you are, only what you bring to the table. Certainly it’s nice to know the name behind the screen name and a little something about the person, but it’s not necessary to judge the person’s body of work.

by Year2 on May 28, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said

I’ve always felt that the name on the paper is less important than the content, and Kravitz seems to miss that point in it’s entirety. Accountability has more to do with whether people trust the information you provide. Kravitz is in print. He is one of one or two papers in Indy. So long as he keeps his boss happy he will have a job writing whatever sports related content he wishes. Bloggers only become relevant when we’ve garnered enough credibility to become relevant. My impression of Kravitz is he is not used to sharing his “relevance” with others. What he doesn’t realize is Big Blue Shoe has put in his dues as well, written for no one but friends, and through diligence and hard work has built up a following that competes with if not to some extent eclipses his. Real name or not BBS is a respected author who is gaining ground on the established journalists, real name or not, based on the quality of his work.

Like Kyle said, pseudonyms are a personal choice, that not everyone agrees on. Personally and professionally I feel it is better to remain anonymous at this time. My employers are aware of my site, in fact it is one of the many things we discussed at my interview which lead to my hire. They know I work diligently and competently. But from the outside, less scrupulous people could use that information to undermine me with new clients or potential clients. So, for now, I choose to keep things quiet.

However, in the event my name goes on the door, I may change that policy. But for now, I think you summed it up perfectly:
“Certainly it’s nice to know the name behind the screen name and a little something about the person, but it’s not necessary to judge the person’s body of work.”

Maize n Brew
Because Football is Better with Beer

by Maize n Brew Dave on May 28, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old Dogs have a hard time learning new tricks

I recently asked for an interview with the Yahoo! reporters who broke the recent Tim Floyd payola allegation.

They declined my request for number of “off the record” reasons but mostly because they thought I could not be objective. I sent them questions ahead of time and they still declined…Why? because they knew I was going to question their shoddy reporting of the issue. The only source they used was the accuser and his story is uncorroborated but they ran with it anyway. I used my real name and gave them multiple opportunities to respond but they would have none of it.

So in turn I went after their reporting…checking and back tracking the story that the accuser made and I found a few inconsistencies. With the help of a few friends in journalism they helped guide me on the right path to putting out solid even keeled story with as little emotion as possible. It took me a week of research and rewrites just to make sure that i got it right but in the end it was well worth it.

So while the traditional media can whine and moan about bloggers not being credible the MSM has had more than its fair share of bad reporting. Bloggers can do solid work and the MSM should hand out praise as evenly as they hand out criticism.

by Paragon SC on May 28, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

"My biggest objection is the proliferation of blogs and posts by anonymous weenies -- or pansies, if you will."

Was that really necessary?

I’ve kept a slight eye towards all the print media’s bashing of the blogging community, and while both sides have looked like immature idiots at points, the print media just doesn’t seem to get it.

I read about every AJC article that comes up, and I read any football post on here along with most of the basketball posts, and I feel pretty comfortable saying the work here outshines anything I’ve seen on the AJC in years. An average post on here seems to have more thought put behind it. Anonymous or not, when I want to get some incredibly off-the-wall facts or some very good input, I don’t type in AJC.com.

Hell, I honestly think yall put more thought towards your weekly Cocktail posts than some do over at the AJC. And I don’t want to sound like I’m just bashing the paper. Obviously it’s a respected paper and there is plenty of good work that is done there, but I just don’t think they got in-depth enough. Their job is to appeal to everyone’s taste, including the average reader and the average football fan.

AJC just never makes me change my opinion about things. Thanks to DawgSports, I’m running around correcting people when I hear them complain about the Cocktail Party’s site. I think I leaned towards the BCS over the playoffs, but DawgSports cemented that.

It’s just not really close in my opinion, and I hate to sound like I’m insulting all the great writers in the country, but I seem to put more trust in those anonymous pansies than some guy named Dave Kravitz (was that his name?) that at the end of the day is still anonymous to me…

by UgaBulldog14 on May 29, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s very easy to lump all of “the print media” together, just as it is for people to lump all bloggers together. I sometimes do it without thinking myself.

I think the better route is to take each person and company individually, just in the same way that we’d all like bloggers to be taken on a case-by-case basis. If someone was offended by something they read on Deadspin, for instance, we wouldn’t want that person to condemn all blogs because that sweeps the two fine writers of this site in with them erroneously.

In this case, we have Bob Kravitz and his column and radio show on trial, not all traditional journalists and columnists. He was wrong to go straight to fourth grade insults like “weenies” and “pansies,” but not all journalists do. Some, like Kyle Veazey, do an excellent job, and Veazey has even done a Q&A with Matt at Dr. Saturday.

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by Year2 on May 29, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oddly Enough

Oddly enough, my birth name is Ragin Cajun Rebel. My parents are extreme.

by RaginCajunRebel on May 29, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn

You beat me to it. But I will say it anyways… My real name is WarDamnZach!! My family are Auburn Proud!!

If you are a War Damn Eagle, you can War Damn anything.

by WarDamnZach on May 29, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If bloggers being more like newspaper columnists

turns dawgsports into this it would be a travesty. I’m not the type of person to get into fights on message boards or to heckle a journalist on the AJC website message board, but this really tempted me. I simply don’t understand why a man who is charged with writing for the sports section cannot write an article with higher quality. He gives very little reason as to why he makes his predictions, and even though he does publish his name, he knows he’s not going to be held accountable for them. He has basically the same recycled line for how Tennessee and Auburn will finish in their respective divisions. “(Insert team name) will finish fifth in their division. Welcome to the SEC, (insert coach name). Go (insert task) more.” Roddy White fifth in Heisman voting? PLEASE. Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Terrelle Pryor, Roddy White? I just can’t see it happening.

In a way, this angers me, but at the same time, saddens me. It seems that Mark Bradley has fallen so far that he has to put out these preposterous prognostications with little to no explanation whatsoever simply to get readers. Tech losing to FSU…and Vandy? I can’t say that I can fault him for picking Georgia to lose four games. We have a tough schedule, a new quarterback and new runningbacks. He did not, however, include the fact that the we could very well have the best defensive tackle rotation in the country, or that we will have eight offensive linemen who have starting experience. In my opinion, a talented offensive line and strong interior defensive line are two crucial pieces to a team overachieving.

by hailtogeorgia on May 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Thoughts

  I write for the Turf Show Times, SBN’s St. Louis Rams blog. I caught wind of the Big Blue Shoe – Bob Kravitz tête-à-tête early on, and wrote a piece on it last weekend. Maize n Brew Dave commented on that story as well as this one. Sensing some traction, we scheduled Big Blue Shoe in our most recent episode of Turf Show Radio (it’s about 20 minutes in after the technical difficulties and last for a good hour).
  This is certainly a different take, but I want to discuss a couple things from your post, T Kyle, that I disagree with. Good post, BTW.
  First, he’s not so much “endorsing much of the benefit the blogosphere provides,” as he is endorsing established names that have transferred to the internet as their medium of choice. He cites John Oehser, who has been an established writer for two decades. He says Colt Power does “a decent job, even if I’ve never once met any of its reporters in the Colts media room.” Since when do you have to meet Bob Kravitz in the Colts’ media room to be a credible pundit? The next one was hilarious:

The local teams have sites, the best one being Pacers.com, which is written by former Star reporter Conrad Brunner. The team sites are obviously tilted toward happy news, but Bruno has retained a measure of his journalistic integrity.

So the best site happens to be written by a former Star reporter who Kravitz is close with. And despite the fact the sites don’t cover the team fairly, as Kravitz admits, he still suggests it’s the best team site despite just maintaining a measure of journalistic integrity. High bar, indeed.
  In his view, and to a degree yours according to your post (although you articulate it much more thoughtfully), transparency and networking develops credibility. That by posting our real names and the company we hold, we will immediately be granted a level of respect that we currently don’t enjoy. I thoroughly disagree.
  Traditional media legacy systems continue to struggle with any technology or voice that doesn’t fit their system because they held the keys to credibility. Guys like Bob Kravitz were important simply because their name and picture was in a newspaper. As Paragon SC mentions above, using your real name gives you no more access than not using it, which prevents the “deference and weight” you suggest we would achieve by writing under our given names.
  In those traditional systems, writers who milked the system for contacts and wrote provoking pieces (which did not have to be specifically thought provoking) ascended. Being the writer who wrote the most flowering prose and offered the deepest analysis were shed because they were less profitable. Weight and deference often comes at the cost of celebrity (think Woody Paige). In order to achieve those two goals requires one thing: quality.
  If we, as online writers, bloggers, or whatever label you want to throw on, continue to offer writing of superior quality, we will get the weight and deference our work deserves. It may not come with access to locker rooms or media rooms, but it will come with the respect of the ultimate arbiter of the written word: the reader.

Your uncle molests collies.

by 3k on May 29, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Excessive Paragraph Breaks

If folks like you and Dr. Saturday use your forums to battle against the scourge of excessive paragraph breaks, you will have done us all a service.

I know writers think they’re adding special emphasis by doing this, but they are mistaken.

In fact, it can have the opposite effect.

Plus it’s really annoying to read.

See?

by rebelcraig on May 30, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Can I just point out one thing?

What if you like your pseudonym (and more importantly, so does everyone else) way better than your real name?

I got more rhymes than Wade Lookingbill's got dunks

by Adam Jacobi on May 30, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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