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Kyle Gets Contrary: Why Urban Meyer's "You're Not a Gator" Remarks Were a Big Deal

Given the civility of our earliest debate, the last thing I want to do is get contrary with Dr. Saturday (who backed me up on Jacksonville and writes glowingly of Mark Richt), particularly over something that happened weeks ago.

Nevertheless, I have some issues---some, mind you---with the good Doctor’s take on a recent Paul Finebaum diatribe. Quoth the Doc:

Ah, yes, those modern despots. Meyer, you may have read recently in places desperate for offseason content (if you didn't read it when it came out three weeks ago), told some booster club or other, "You're either a Gator or you're not a Gator," apparently a veiled response to "criticism" by ex-quarterback and radio host Shane Matthews. (Oh, snap!) Saban dissed Alabama fans for a lack of "passion and energy" before the Tide's loss to Utah in the Sugar Bowl. (Oh no di'n.) They're mad, Finebaum tells you, mad with power. . . .

"Absolute power" to do what? Excommunicate paying customers? Torture message board haters who mock "Urban Cyer lol"? Reporters? Give me an example of a blackballed reporter. . . . Are they going to behead the long snapper as an example? Are we still talking about football coaches or the great and terrible Khan sweeping in from the steppe?

What's more frustrating than even Finebaum's overheated rhetoric (and the fact that this pair of virtual non-quotes is still in the news) is that, in context, it's not that unusual. It's kind of tame, really, compared to the number of fans -- and the comments to Finebaum's column should give some good indication of this, in quantity and quality -- who do view coaches in this way, as heads of some kind of a "nation" whose dictates and processes (or The Process) are beyond reproach and, if necessary, to be followed to the letter. This is when "coach" goes beyond a job description and actually becomes part of the man -- when Nick Saban becomes Coach Nick Saban, or, most loathsomely, "CNS" -- attached to a name the same way we reverently add "Doctor," "Father," "General" or "Senator," but never, say, "Lawyer," "Engineer" or "Architect." Honorifics are reserved for the people we trust with our bodies, our souls, our guns, our government ... and our football, of course.

Dr. Mr. Saturday (as long as we are being honest about our titles here; Matt Hinton and I have been on a first-name basis long enough that I don’t expect him to call me "Mayor," or even "Counselor" or "Colonel" . . . though, I have to admit, "Colonel" is nice on those rare occasions when I get it thrown my way) is right about the overblown reaction to the Armani Bear’s fairly benign comments.

Say what you will about Nick Saban---and there certainly are valid reasons for criticism---an inclination to duck responsibility is not among his faults. In the press conference immediately following Alabama’s loss in the Sugar Bowl, Coach Saban accepted the blame for the Crimson Tide’s poor performance, and, when he was asked about remarks he made beforehand which may have provided Utah with bulletin board material, he absorbed the criticism for that, too, saying "the whole kit and caboodle" was his fault. (That stood out in my mind because it had been quite a while since I heard a grown man actually use the phrase "the whole kit and caboodle.")

Where Matt and I part company is with regard to Urban Meyer’s line, which, you may recall, went a little something like this:

We want former Gators to come back, but loyalty's a two-way street. If you want to be critical of a player on our team or a coach on our team you can buy a ticket for seat 37F, you're not welcome back in the football office.

You're either a Gator or you're not a Gator. It's real simple. For those who are not Gators keep buying tickets, critique, but if you're a real Gator, get to know our players. Let's enjoy the greatest era not just football of Gator athletics.

When Matt asks, "‘Absolute power’ to do what? Excommunicate paying customers?" he is asking a rhetorical question in the service of sarcasm, but Coach Meyer---a man who has given every indication that he has no sense of humor whatsoever---likely would answer that question with a steely-eyed, tight-lipped, grim affirmation while pointing and staring at the questioner.

Of course Urban Meyer believes he has the absolute power to excommunicate paying customers. What other possible interpretation is there? Coach Meyer proclaimed that, "[i]f you want to be critical of a player on our team or a coach on our team"---note the absence of any adverbs; not unfairly critical or unreasonably critical or overly critical; just plain ol’ garden variety critical, even constructively or correctly---"you can buy a ticket for seat 37F, you’re not welcome back in the football office."

So, yes, Paul Finebaum’s criticism of Nick Saban is way off base, but, yes, Paul Finebaum’s condemnation of Urban Meyer is on point. The guy who "buy[s] a ticket for seat 37F" is, by definition, a "paying customer." A former player who is "not welcome back in the football office" has, in effect, been "[e]xcommunicate[d]" (which was, by the way, an exquisite word choice when applied to a coach named for a pope).

What else, other than de facto excommunication from Gator Nation, could Coach Meyer have intended when making the blanket declaration that "[y]ou’re either a Gator or you’re not a Gator"? Coach Meyer was responding---more belatedly than the media, by the way---to a comment made by former Florida quarterback Shane Matthews in January. The Gator signal caller’s rather tepid critique ("The first couple of years, I wasn't sure the spread offense would work in the S.E.C. . . . Honestly, it didn't work until last year, when he had the right personnel running his offense") is demonstrably accurate and Florida fans whose Gator credentials extend back farther than, say, 2005 flatly stated the obvious fact: "Meyer should have never said anything. He has every right to defend his players, but no right to say who is a Gator and who isn’t."

In short, his considerable and undeniable on-field achievements notwithstanding, Urban Meyer has an awful lot of gumption for a guy who had no S.E.C. ties five years ago, and that irrefutable reality justifies the nature and vehemence of the criticisms Matt Hinton finds so over the top.

By the way . . . Shane Matthews isn’t the only former Gator quarterback to have made public comments recently that Coach Meyer might not like. One former Florida great recently appeared on the show of the offending Paul Finebaum, where he said:

They’ve still got that rumor going down there, Paul, that if he has about one more big year he might be the Notre Dame coach. I know you’ve heard that rumor. . . .

It’d be surprising if he left, but who knows? He’s accomplished so much. I mean, I left after 12 years because I just said, "Hey, I’ve done enough. Try something else." He may get to the point where he needs to try something else. Who knows?

Maybe it was his dream job and not anymore. I don’t know.

So said former Florida Gator quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Steve Spurrier. Urban Meyer was none too pleased at Darth Visor’s snarky remarks---in one of the year’s better instances of cultural illiteracy, Urb observed: "Here's a quote for you -- I am not going to Notre Dame. There's gotta be something else going on in sports. Isn't there car racing going on?"---so one wonders when orders might come down from on high. Has Urban Meyer gotten so big for his britches that he feels empowered to declare the Ol’ Ball Coach lagarto non grata in Gainesville?

If we live in a country in which Canadians can declare American conservatives "unpatriotic" for disagreeing with the president they helped to elect, then I suppose Ohioans with Midwestern and Western roots are fit to declare the greatest Gator of them all to be something other than a genuine member of the Florida faithful. A carpetbagger who doesn’t know whether NASCAR is in season gets to lecture Sunshine State football fans on what defines them as a people. And to think I thought Reconstruction had ended. . . .

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Overstatement

With the benefit of time since those comments were originally made, I’m now in the camp of not worrying that much about it. For one thing, Meyer and Matthews have met and cleared the air. But beyond that, I think we can all agree that Meyer is prone to overstatement. Just off the top of my head, I can think of:

-The top 1% of 1% stuff
-Declaring Tebow the greatest player of our era (despite his career not being over yet)
-Saying if Florida was left out of the 2006 national title game the entire postseason system needs to be blown up
-Boasting a 100% graduation rate for last season (all seniors on the team did graduate, but that’s not how the rates are calculated)
-Proclaiming in spring practice that the team had a dearth of playmakers approaching the 2005 season (reality: not even close)

I’m not saying that to excuse Meyer or to try to get people to stop getting on him for it. It’s perfectly reasonable to criticize him in the way you have. However, I’m just saying that it’s entirely par for the course. Stuff like this is going to happen every so often.

Oh, and that bit about not saying anything about other teams anymore from the SEC meetings today? After being criticized for “campaigning” in 2006, he promised never to say anything interesting again. It’s only a matter of time.

by Year2 on May 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Im with ya Year 2

Here are some more overstatements:

-Delaring the 2008 SEC Championship game against Bama the greatest game in the history of the SEC.
-Saying that any high school player would be out of their friggin mind not to come to UF.

Also, while Meyer did say what he said, the media missed some important facts on this one. The reports were that Meyer responded to one instance of criticism from Matthews from a January radio program. However, Matthews has been critical of the Meyer and UF ever since he was hired. He made a big stink about the Gators not bringing Spurrier back, and how the spread would never work. He did not get along with Dan Mullen (our former offensive coordinator and now Miss. St. HC). It seemed as if whenever we lost a game, Matthews would be back criticizing; it was like he wanted us to fail.

Regardless of that, Meyer did still say what he said. But, as Year 2 stated, thats what he does; he overstates things. Most old players love him. He has reached out to former players better than any other coach we ever had. I dont think there has been many other critics besides Matthews. As a fan, Im not too concerned about the statements, all I care about is winning. It cures all. Meyer has got that down.

by RationalGator on May 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Matthews was one of the “that pansy spread will never work in a man’s league” crew? I couldn’t recall whether he had been or not…

by peachy rex on May 28, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much. He said we have to “attack” the SEC Defenses at all times. Specifically, here was his comments after the Ole Miss game from Orlando Sentinel:

Question: Shane, why have you been critical of Florida’s offense?

  Matthews: “I’m just calling a spade a spade. I have no problem with the spread offense, the wishbone, the single wing, the run and shoot, the fun and gun, whatever you want to run. But from an offensive standpoint, you want to attack no matter what offense you’re running. No matter what defense is thrown at you, there is always a weakness. The offense’s job is to exploit that weakness. When I watched the Ole Miss game (a 31-30 Florida loss) and Ole Miss played our wide receivers about 90 percent man-to-man, it was a slap in the face to our wide receivers and passing game. I can’t understand why we didn’t take advantage of that. … If that’s critical, I guess it’s critical. That’s football. I call ‘em like I see ’em. I feel like I have pretty good credentials. I’m a coach’s son, I was coached extremely well in college, I played 14 years in the NFL and have sat in many offensive meetings during my career. … I want the Gators to win every game they play. I don’t think anybody’s as passionate about Florida football as I am. Maybe that’s why I’ve been vocal about my opinion: Because I want us to be a dominant team.”

We scored 30 points. The offensive strategy was less to blame then the fact that we had 3 crucial fumbles, 2 of which gave them great field position. He was extremely critical of the Meyer hire, Dan Mullen, and the spread when they got here in 05 and he had to eat crow for a while. I think after the Ole Miss game, he was rubbing his hands together thinking “Oh baby, I can pounce on this….I was right!” His comments always come at an opportune time for him to try and vindicate himself from his past criticism of the staff (which, in the grfand scheme of things, probably makes him feel stupid given Meyer’s success in his 4 years); that is what pisses people off the most.

by RationalGator on May 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind...

…the fact that the Head Ball Coach had the most dominant run in the SEC during the ’90s since Bear Bryant roamed the sidelines at Alabama during the 1970s. No, no, obviously two mythical championships in four years > 4 straight SEC titles with one mythical championship.

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by AuditDawg on May 27, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, Glaze over

the fact that Spurrier brought that program into the spot light, won a ton of SEC titles, and gave Urban the platform to win those national championship by making the Gators a perennial team to make a run at the MNC.

by knowshon loves legos on May 27, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

As was I

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by AuditDawg on May 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhhhhhh...

Example #43 of how the interwebs are making me a dumber person.

Sorry man.

by wqueenjr on May 27, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It occurs to me...

…that I’ve never seen so many Dawg fans defending the Evil Genius. I can see us now, doing the same thing for Corch Meyers when his successor flames him for leaving UF for ND.

"If I had eight hours to cut down a tree, I'd spend six hours sharpening my axe." -Abraham Lincoln

by Tree Dawg Knight on May 27, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Meyer vs. Spurrier

1) Spurrier won his first official SEC title in year 2 (but would have won it in his first year but for probation)….Meyer won his first SEC title in year 2. Advantage – Spurrier.

2) Spurrier won 6 SEC titles in 12 years. Meyer has won 2 in 4 years. Advantage – Draw.

3) Spurrier won one national title in his 7th year. Meyer has won 2 in 4 years. Advantage – Meyer.

4) Spurrier was 11-1 against UGA. Meyer is 3-1. Advantage – Spurrier.
5) Spurrier was 9-3 against Auburn. Meyer is 0-2. Advantage – Meyer.
6) Spurrier was 4-8-1 against FSU. Meyer is 4-0. Advantage – Meyer.
7) Spurrier was 8-4 against UT. Meyer is 4-0. Advantage – Meyer.

Although it is hard to compare a 12 year career against one of only 4 years, it appears that Meyer has at least equaled Spurrier in 1/3 the time. The extra national title and 4-0 record against FSU outweighs the other records.

Although I was a big Spurrier fan (I was a sophomore when the ole ball coach took over), he now coaches at USC and is (for the time being) the enemy. Meyer has returned UF to the top of the pecking order and will have another team in ’09 with the talent to win championships. I think most Gators are pretty satisfied with Meyer to this point.

Regarding Meyer’s statement, Lawrence Wright made famous the phrase “if you ain’t a Gator – you must be Gator bait!” I like that Meyer is adopting some Gator tradition there. As far as “excommunicating paying customers” it appears that Meyer is doing the exact opposite….while admission through the football office would be free for Matthews – he would have to purchase his seat 37F!

Corch Irving Meyers is the head of the program now and has earned the right to speak his peace. Matthews as a former player and Gator great, has earned the same right.
As said previously. I think it’s an otherwise un-newsworthy story that is only getting press because we’re starved to anything pigskin related.

by skigator93 on May 27, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Spurrier and Meyer are apples and oranges. Florida had won one SEC title in its history when the Heisman became the Ball Coach and that one ended up getting revoked by the conference later anyway. Pell and Hall built UF into a place where it was ready to be taken to the next level, and Spurrier did just that. Meyer cleaned up the Zook mess and returned it to that high level.

It’s not that one is better than the other, they’re just different. Different people, different eras, different circumstances. I don’t understand the obsession with picking out who’s better. They’re both great, so just celebrate that.

And Meyer’s comments were not like Lawrence Wright’s famous cheer, as similar as they may be grammatically. Meyer was talking about loyalty within the fan base, while Wright was talking about rival programs.

by Year2 on May 27, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I beleive your 5) should read advantage: Spurrier

Esp. since Meyer is winless and Spurrier’s at a .750 clip.

by The ArchDawg on May 27, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

You are right – I duffed that one. SOS definitely gets the ad in the Auburn series! Thus far, the wartigereagleplainsmen have been Meyer’s Achilles.

by skigator93 on May 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meyer vs Spurrier?

How does Meyer have the advantage against Auburn (#5)?

I’m missing the “big deal” over the comments. Shane Matthews is on a sports radio show (I don’t know if it’s a gator radio show or not) therefore part of his job is to critique various teams, good or bad. I’m sure Mr. Matthews has had some positive things to say about the gators. Once again I’m gong off memory but weren’t some of these comments made after the Ole Miss game? The gators were due some criticism after that game. Meyer was just being a prick about it.

by deanpat92 on May 27, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

My brother has lived in Gainesville the past few years and he told me about Matthews’ show long before it became national news.

Matthews had some legit criticisms, but as is often the case, the problem was in the delivery. He took a tone that came off as whiny a lot of the time and often would not grant the point that Meyer was doing plenty of things right along with the things that needed improving. He’d go on for several days in a row about the same point too.

I personally didn’t listen to any of it, but as RationalGator pointed out above, Matthews did a lot more than just suggest things to do differently after the Ole Miss loss. He hammered the program for not bringing Spurrier back (even though I have it on good authority that many of the high level boosters didn’t want him back because some thought he didn’t represent the program well), and I’m not sure Matthews has ever said a nice thing about Dan Mullen.

Matthews overdid his part just as much as Meyer overdid his, but since coaches are (rightfully) graded on a different scale than local radio personalities are, he gets flak while Matthews has been getting a free pass. It’s reasonable to call Meyer out for the way he handled the situation, but Matthews is no saint in this either. Everyone I know who has listened to his show says that despite all the winning, they can’t help but get the vibe that he’s unhappy they’re not doing it in the way it was done when he was a player.

by Year2 on May 27, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Dantzler

said on 960 The Ref that he tought that UGA would finish 7-5 this upcoming season and during his radio show he has been critical of the men’s basketball team, which he does color for.

Mark Richt is not going to play this out in the media. Urban Myer can be critical of CMR in his book about “The Dance”, but Mark Richt is not going to do shenanigans like this. At least when Steve Spurrier runs people down in the media, he is funny or sarcastic. Urban Myer is just an arrogant jerk.

by bdawg on May 27, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Just different personalities

Spurrier likes to rib other coaches and fan bases and joke around. Meyer is a very serious person, he doesn’t like jokes and is always intense. That sort of rubs people the wrong way, but we’re fine with that, it is just his personality. The one knock on Spuriier was that he didn’t like recruiting, he’d rather play golf. It seems like Meyer doesn’t mind the recruiting part.

I am still shocked that Matthews is a radio guy. Back in school is was a very, very quiet guy. I would have never imagined him on the radio. Also, he might be a little bitter that the All American Football League (or whatever it was going to be called) folded before he could lead Team Gainesville.

by skigator93 on May 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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