Why I Don't Want to See "Jim Donnan" and "Georgia Bulldogs" in the Same Story Ever Again
I’m glad I wasn’t drinking while I was reading, or else I would have done a spit-take when I read this:
Former UGA head coach Jim Donnan and former QB Quincy Carter will always be tied together in my mind -- perhaps ever more so because of the role a game against South Carolina arguably played in altering their careers. It was, after all, the 21-10 debacle in Columbia in 2000 that was the beginning of the end for Donnan and the effective end of Carter's Heisman campaign after his five interceptions contributed mightily to the Dawgs' loss.
There is no connection anymore, a point emphasized Tuesday, when Donnan was elected to the College Football Hall of Fame and Carter was arrested, again, this time for violating his probation.
I attended the 2000 Georgia-South Carolina game, which remains to this day my single worst sports-related experience ever. I was in the upper deck of Williams-Brice Stadium that day and I will never return to that accursed arena ever again for the rest of my life. (Since 1988, the ‘Dawgs have gone 7-2 in Columbia, posting a 7-0 record in games I did not attend and an 0-2 ledger in contests for which I was present on the premises.)
The ongoing embarrassment of Quincy Carter’s slow slide into drug-fueled self-destruction has long since ceased to be anything other than an infuriating waste of human potential, even for those of us who believe the former Georgia quarterback was the greatest prank Georgia Tech ever played on us. However, the idea of Jim Donnan going into the College Football Hall of Fame simply makes me want to puke.
Admittedly, my nausea was assuaged somewhat by this passage from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution article linked to in the above excerpt:
He will be inducted this summer as a member of the Hall’s "divisional" class, which includes players and coaches from NCAA divisions I-AA, II and III and the NAIA. He was considered in that class because he spent more years as head coach at Marshall, which was then I-AA, than at Georgia.
All right, that counts for something, because I’m glad to know Coach Donnan’s years in Athens had nothing to do with his induction, but what is it with that namby-pamby nonsense that it was "because he spent more years as head coach at Marshall . . . than at Georgia"? Might it have had a bit more to do with the fact that he regularly contended for national championships with the Thundering Herd and guided the Bulldogs to little better than mediocrity?
I also have a problem with some of Coach Donnan’s remarks upon learning of the honor:
It’s a testimony to all the good players we had. We had a good run up there at Marshall, and we did some good things [at Georgia]. . . .
Coach [Mark] Richt has gone on and taken it to another level, but I feel like we came into a program that was on probation and got it started.
What, precisely, are the "good things" Coach Donnan believes he did, and how do they overcome his having gone 2-3 against Auburn, 1-4 against Florida, 2-3 against Georgia Tech, and 1-4 against Tennessee?
What, exactly, is the significance of the fact that Georgia "was on probation" when Coach Donnan arrived in the Classic City? Other S.E.C. coaches of that era overcame much worse penalties imposed by the N.C.A.A. (Terry Bowden at Auburn and Tommy Tuberville at Ole Miss spring to mind) and the Ray Goff-era probation was not of the major variety that deprived the Bulldogs of the opportunity to appear on television, accept bowl invitations, or be eligible for the conference championship.
What, specifically, did Coach Donnan get started? It wasn’t the Red and Black’s penchant for sending players to the N.F.L. (as evidenced by Coach Goff’s 1992 Bulldog squad), or for failing to achieve greatly with vast quantities of talent (also as evidenced by Coach Goff’s 1992 Bulldog squad). It seems to me that everything Coach Donnan started was something Mark Richt had to fix, whether it was running off Carter, booting Jasper Sanks off the team, implementing meaningful player discipline, instituting mat drills, halting the losing streak to the Yellow Jackets, or winning games consistently against meaningful opposition.
As a full-throated supporter of the man during his five-year tenure as caretaker of my alma mater’s football program, I come by my low opinion of Jim Donnan’s poor stewardship honestly. I may be the only Georgia fan you will ever encounter who had a personal conversation with Coach Donnan which was anything other than wholly unpleasant. I defended the man for as long as it was possible to defend him.
Accordingly, I feel justified in saying that, aside from redshirting David Greene, Jim Donnan made few, if any, contributions to Georgia football which were both enduring and valuable. I congratulate the man on the recognition he has been given for his years at Marshall, but there is nothing he has to say about the Bulldogs that I have any interest in hearing. Ray Goff, despite his failures as a head coach, was and always will be one of us. Jim Donnan was a bad hire from someplace else whose continued association with Georgia football in any way, shape, form, or fashion I consider unwelcome, and, frankly, I’d just as soon not have his name come up around here any more.
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I have to agree. I was at UGA during the ‘Donnan Year’s and when thinking about it, I get a bad taste in my mouth and pain in my belly. My first thoughts about those years are wasted potential (2000 season), choking big games (almost every one of them), losing to Tech multiple 3 consecutive seasons, and rushing the field b/c we beat an average TN team (granted, he only played a part of our long losing streak to them). My point is by that time (2000), our program was only marginally better than it was in Donnan’s first season.
As much as he likes to remind people Richt’s best season was with his players, Donnan’s best season (‘97) was with Goff’s players. After that point, you could pencil in 8-4 – win most games we should and rarely win a meaningful game.
Hall-of-Fame Worthy???? I kinda take the baseball route when thinking H.O.F. – if you have to think/debate about it, then the person/player doesn’t belong. My criteria is probably a little tough though. I’m of course discounting his Marshall years when it’s by far his finest tenure because his UGA years did little for his H.O.F. induction.
Congrats Donnan.
Erk
So, let’s see… Jim Donnan coached Marshall to a 64-21 record, regularly competed for the national championship, and managed to win one. Good for him. Then he made the jump to 1-A, led a major college football team to mediocrity for 5 seasons, and joined ESPN as the worst announcer in college football history. (At least, until Pam Ward was hired. For the record, his progress as a TV personality is a testament to the ability of the Worldwide Sports Leader to mold literally anyone into a TV star.) And for that resume… he gets inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.
By contrast, Erk Russell was the defensive coordinator for a the same major college football team for 17 years, during which time the team won 4 SEC championships and 1 national title. After this, he went to Georgia Southern, a school who hadn’t fielded a football team in 40 years. Over the course of the next 9 years, he led the Eagles to a 70-14 record and won 3 national championships. After his final national championship season in 1989, he retired. And for this… he hasn’t gotten a sniff from the Hall of Fame.
That’s the travesty here.
While I completely agree with you...
I believe there’s a little bias playing a role here. Certainly, growing up in southeast Georgia watching Georgia Southern football games, I love Erk Russell. He deserves to be in the College Football Hall of Fame. Like you stated, he resurrected a program at GSU, won three national titles, and had a record of 83-22-1. No one could tell you that he is anything other than a Hall of Fame coach.
However, one has to be a head coach for atleast ten years to be eligible for the College Football Hall of Fame. I would love to see this rule changed, or exceptions made, but when do you draw the line? If you lower the bar to eight years, then you have arguments for six. It’s an unfortunate rule, no doubt. Erk was a top-tier coach a major program for much longer than Jim Donnan…he spent 17 years as the defensive coordinator at UGA. That’s more time than Jim Donnan spent at Oklahoma, Marshall, and Georgia combined.
This brings me back to the point of bias, however. Let’s give Donnan his due. He was a very good offensive coordinator at Oklahoma and coached under Barry Switzer. The team had three consecutive 11-1 seasons from ‘85 to ’87. He won a national championship in 1985 largely due to the team’s offensive prowess. Oklahoma’s wishbone in the mid-eighties was nearly unstoppable. He won a national championship at Marshall and only one season with less than 11 victories (his first, if I’m correct). I understand that’s a bit easier to do when you have a playoff system, but it’s nonetheless impressive.
Finally, I think the major issue at hand here is not the fact that Erk deserves the honor more than Donnan, it’s the ten year head coaching minimum. Jim Donnan is being inducted as a member of the 2009 “Divisional Class” of the Hall of Fame. He coached at a 1-AA school for six years, and then had a mediocre head coaching job at Georgia for five years. This gave him eleven years of head coaching time. Erk, on the other hand, was a head coach for only eight years, but has a much more impressive resume than Donnan in that time. As I see it, here’s what it comes down to: Donnan is being rewarded for six years of superb coaching at a 1-AA school, with his time at Georgia being largely disregarded. If the committee is going to disregarded the record, why not disregard the time? If one is going to be inducted into the “Divisional” class of the HOF, why not have differing time constraints for eligibility? I respect the requirement of ten years of head coaching experience, but simply don’t understand the method in this situation. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If the five years of mediocrity in Athens are not being considered as criteria, then they should not count as years spent as a head coach. My vote, for what it’s worth, would be to move to a five year requirement per division and do away with this nonsense.
Good point
I was not aware of the 10-year minimum requirement for HOF coaches. I agree that such a requirement is arbitrary and produces uneven results (at best). When a man with a 26-year record of top-notch coaching performance is disqualified on the basis of “not enough experience,” it seems clear that the rules have some holes that need patching.
by vineyarddawg on May 14, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent point
I hadn’t been aware of that, either, but that’s a silly rule. It’s about excellence, not longevity. While sustained excellence (e.g., Bear Bryant) is quite impressive, even a brief stretch of excellence, if sufficiently outstanding, ought to be recognized (i.e., Sandy Koufax).
I agree that it’s hypocritical to reward Jim Donnan’s Marshall career without regard to his Georgia career while factoring the length of his Georgia tenure into his eligibility. Also, if we give out the Broyles Award, why don’t we recognize assistant coaches? Clearly, Jim Donnan and Erk Russell both deserve induction as coordinators.
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Donnan was in over his head
but we should still appreciate what he put in place for us. His teams were oozing talent, but couldn’t “finish the drill.”
I equate Donnan with Ron Zook. As an assistant, Zook was to defense as Donnan was to offense. Both coaches recruited well, won a few big games, but ultimately finsihed 8-4 and lost some unexplainable games. I feel that if Donnan went to a smaller school in a lesser conference, he could have moderate success similar to the Zooker.
Donnan was an excellent recruiter, no arguement or doubt about it. But being a good recruiter and a bad head coach at a major college program, good offensive coordinator, and successful head coach in D1-AA should not be a pass to the hall of fame.
I'm not disagreeing but....
One could argue the “cheating” that went on during the Switzer/Donnan era at Oklahoma may have had something to do with those wins and losses.
Also I hope Donnan sends Randy Moss a Christmas card every year. I doubt Donnan wins that NC without Moss. Thus being the reason Donnan was a hot commodity at the time.
Let us not forget the state of the program when he was let go. Yes he brought in oodles of talent but there was no discipline in place. This is probably the main reason for the lack of success.
To summarize I’m of the opinion Donnan does not deserve to be in the HOF.
PSSST -- Donnan never coached Randy Moss
Moss played at Marshall in ‘96 and ’97. Donnan coached at UGA from ’96-’00.
Also, Donnan won the National title at Marshall in 1992….when randy Moss was about 14 years old. lol.
by Paulwesterdawg on May 14, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
here you go
in case you think I’m wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Moss
by Paulwesterdawg on May 14, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Dooley send Herschel a Christmas card every year?
Leaving insightful football commentary and analysis to other people since 2006.
Actually . . .
. . . I don’t know that for sure, but I’d be willing to bet cash money that he does.
It is my understanding that Vince Dooley is pretty good about sending cards and letters to folks. Maybe that’s just something he retains from the time and place in which he was raised, or maybe he learned it from Wally Butts, who wrote Coach Dooley a letter about the preceding Saturday’s game every week from the time Coach Dooley was hired to the time Coach Butts died in 1973.
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I completely disagree with you
To me…the only measurement that counts in coaching is…did you leave the program better than you found it? And Jim Donnan undoubtedly did.
Is he a tool? Yes.
Should he be in the Hall of Fame? No.
Should he have benched Quincy in ’00? Yes.
But look at the mess he found. No one wanted the job in ‘96, and we were literally in danger of being passed by Tuberville’s Ole Miss squad and/or South Carolina’s program when he arrived. Hell, Glen Mason turned us down for goodness sake.
When he left, he had returned us to winning 8 games a year … which is what Dooley won while he was in Athens.
And more impressively, he has never spoken an ill word about UGA since his departure other than to mention his contempt for Mike Adams.
I’m glad he’s gone. But I don’t think he deserves nearly the contempt you threw his way.
I take issue with some of that
I’ll grant that Jim Donnan hasn’t taken overt shots at the institution, but he’s damned sure gotten in his digs on ESPN and on “Buck and Kincade.” Just because he tries to offer his jabs as jokes rather than as pointed criticisms doesn’t mean he hasn’t taken more than his fair share of swipes at us.
Besides, what possible basis could he have for criticizing Georgia? We plucked him from obscurity in West Virginia, paid him a boatload of money to go away, and replaced him with Mark Richt, who is demonstrably superior to Jim Donnan in every way, both as a coach and as a man.
The “eight games a year” figure is a bit misleading. When Vince Dooley took over the program in 1964, teams played ten games a year rather than eleven, there were nine bowl games instead of 18, the Bulldogs played Clemson and South Carolina on the non-conference schedule virtually every year, Georgia was playing teams like Florida State and North Carolina on the non-conference schedule on a regular basis, and there were no Division I-AA teams. It was a heck of a lot easier to win eight games against the schedules Vince Dooley arranged for Jim Donnan than it was to win eight games against the schedules Joel Eaves arranged for Vince Dooley.
Ten per cent of Coach Donnan’s wins came in bowl games. His 4-0 record in postseason play was the result of routine underperforming in the regular season, which got the ‘Dawgs sent to sub-par (and, therefore, winnable) bowl games nearly every year of his tenure. I give Coach Dooley a hell of a lot more credit for losing four Sugar Bowls (because losing them meant getting to several Sugar Bowls) than I give Coach Donnan for making us the perpetual reigning O’ahu Bowl champions.
The other problem with the “eight games a year” formulation is that it represents an average. Following a rookie season that tracked the pattern established for the post-Garrison Hearst Georgia squads of the mid-1990s, Coach Donnan’s teams went 10-2, 9-3, 8-4, and 8-4, which shows the direction in which the program was heading and the (admittedly slightly heightened) level of mediocrity into which we were settling.
Coach Dooley, on the other hand, averaged eight wins a year over the course of 25 seasons because five of his first seven seasons saw his Georgia teams winning seven, six, seven, five, and five games, respectively (none of which, incidentally, produced a losing season). In his last 18 seasons on the sidelines, the Bulldogs won nine games four times, ten games three times, eleven games twice, and twelve games once.
Coach Dooley’s winning percentage at Georgia was .715. Coach Donnan’s was .678. Coach Dooley had winning records and lengthy winning streaks against every major rival except Auburn. Coach Donnan had a losing record against every significant Georgia rival he faced. Coach Dooley won six S.E.C. championships and a national title for the Red and Black. Coach Donnan won the ’96 Auburn game, the ’97 Florida game, the 2000 Outback Bowl, and . . . what?
Personally, I think the Peach State’s population growth, the athletic association’s facilities upgrades, and the overall rise in the quality of talent throughout college football generally all had much more to do with the boost the Bulldogs received in the post-Ray Goff years than Jim Donnan ever did, but maybe that’s just me.
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I knew I should've looked that up
But I’ll take my bashing like a man since I commented out of my a$$.
Don't sweat it
An error occurred, it was corrected, everyone went home a winner. No harm, no foul.
In a related item, remember that 37.4 per cent of all statistics are made up on the spot, so exhuming information from our respective orifices is a part of the human condition.
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