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Not Just Another Joe: In Which Former Georgia Quarterback's Footsteps Will Joe Cox Follow?

I'm beginning to wonder whether, after his comeback against Colorado, we shouldn't have just frozen Joe Cox in Carbonite and propped him up in a display case in Butts-Mehre Heritage Hall with a plaque reading "If we can't score two times, we don't deserve to wear Gs on our helmets." You have to love the kid, but, honestly, it seems like his moment has passed and he is merely the placeholder on the depth chart providing additional incentive to Logan Gray to apply himself.

T. Kyle King (April 7, 2008)

I have faith in Cox, but there is little actual, objective evidence regarding his in-game performance; he could be the next Greene or (less likely) Shockley, but he could also be JTIII redux. We just don’t know, and anointing him now as the next Greene could leave a lot of folks in for a big surprise.

wwcmrd? (April 21, 2009)

Deep down in my heart of hearts, I am afraid the Bulldogs are going 7-5 in 2009. When push comes to shove, I find that Joe Cox is the focal point of all my hopes and all my fears about Georgia’s prospects for the fall. Is Cox the caretaking placeholder quarterback I took him to be a year ago, or is he the inspiring team player who can lead this team to glory? Is he the record-setting high school quarterback rated as the seventh-best in the nation at his position by Rivals as a prep signal caller, or is he the guy who took the starter’s role from Matthew Stafford and couldn’t keep it?

In short, is Joe C. the next David Greene, the next D.J. Shockley, or the next Joe T.?

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say Joe Cox is the next Dick Young.

Young was the Bulldogs’ backup quarterback in 1955, behind senior signal caller Jimmy Harper, the son and namesake of a Red and Black football letterman on Herman Stegeman’s undefeated 1920 squad. Harper fils had been Georgia’s passing leader in 1954.

Admittedly, this was not much of an achievement. Wally Butts is underappreciated today as an offensive innovator, but 1954 was not one of the better years for what had been a vaunted Bulldog passing attack. In the split-T (or, as Coach Butts called it, "the sliding T"; he had been using wide line splits, a la Mike Leach, since installing the original T formation in the mid-1940s), Harper had managed only to go 29 of 71 for 407 yards, eight interceptions, and two touchdowns in his junior year.

In the second game of the 1955 campaign, Georgia found itself trailing Vanderbilt in Sanford Stadium by a 13-0 margin at halftime. (Prior to 1952, the Bulldogs had gone 4-10-1 all-time against the Commodores.) Coach Butts and his quarterbacks coach, former Georgia all-American John Rauch, decided to make a change under center.

In the third quarter, Jimmy Harper was yanked from the lineup and replaced by Dick Young. The new quarterback led the Red and Black to a pair of second-half scores and Georgia prevailed over a Gator Bowl-bound Vandy outfit by a 14-13 margin. Does that sound like anyone we know?

1955 was Young’s last year as a football letterman, and he made the most of it. After his heroics against the Music City Sailors, Young went on to lead the Classic City Canines in passing, completing 48 of 97 attempts for 875 yards and eight touchdowns to offset his eight picks.

Those aren’t impressive numbers by modern standards, but they were solid statistics for that era. After Dick Young threw eight touchdown passes in 1955, only three other Georgia quarterbacks would equal that mark in the next 23 seasons: Larry Rakestraw in 1962, Mike Cavan in 1968, and Matt Robinson in 1974. After Zeke Bratkowski in 1952, no Bulldog signal caller would throw as many as ten touchdown passes in a season until Buck Belue threw eleven in 1980.

Likewise, Young’s 875 passing yards in a single autumn were remarkably comparable to the numbers put up by such future Georgia passing leaders as Jeff Pyburn (878 yards in 1978), Greg Talley (871 yards in 1990), and Hines Ward (872 yards in 1995). After Young but before Belue, the only Bulldog quarterbacks to top 900 aerial yards in a campaign were Fran Tarkenton, Larry Rakestraw, Mike Cavan, and Matt Robinson.

In short, Dick Young had a breakthrough moment against Vanderbilt eerily similar to Joe Cox’s signature performance against Colorado, right down to the venue, the circumstances, and the final score. Young went on to become a solid, but not spectacular, starter under center.

I’m fairly confident that, if only because of the supporting cast, the 2009 Bulldogs will fare better than the 1955 Bulldogs---even I would consider 4-6 a pretty dour prognostication---but, if Joe Cox lives up to the reasonable and reachable standard set by the Red and Black predecessor he most closely resembles, Georgia has more than a puncher’s chance to make some noise this fall.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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In retrospect . . .

. . . I probably should have written “placeholding caretaker” instead of “caretaking placeholder.”

Also, I can’t believe I made it all the way through this piece without once using the term “The Ginger Assassin.” I’m deducting points off of my own score for that oversight.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Apr 23, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Caretaker

How much of a caretaker and how much of a playmaker he’ll need to be will largely be determined by what kind of progress the defense will make and how the running game will hold up sans Moreno. It would be difficult to fully pin any of last year’s three losses solely on the offense, and the totals they allowed to Alabama, LSU, Kentucky, and GT were the most those teams scored all season against BCS conference teams with winning records. And of course, a quarterback’s best friend is a good running game.

I don’t know enough about Georgia’s history to really add a whole lot else, but I guess my point was that I don’t think Joe Cox is going to be the difference between 7-5 and 9-3 regardless. For whatever that’s worth.

by Year2 on Apr 23, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no, Year2 . . .

If you’d been following the beat coverage on our defense, you’d realize that this year Georgia is really motivated. Like, for real this time. Motivated. Losing two first-round draft picks has made the whole team more cohesive. Who needs offensive superstars when you have real team players? And they have real leadership stepping up. They’re relishing being the underdog; they’ve got focus and discipline.

Seriously, if the spring coverage of our team can be believed, they’ve got intangibles out the wazoo. Like the Cox as Greene/Shockley comparisons, it mostly serves to keep the UGA faithful optimistic while meaning absolutely nothing until the team hits the field in Stillwater.

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by wwcmrd? on Apr 24, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

When I saw 7-5, I thought, “Surely not.”

Then, I took my red and black glasses off and put my realist glasses on. These games are all very losable:

at Okie State
at Arkansas
vs. LSU
vs. Florida
at Georgia Tech

These games are going to be tough:

at Tennessee
at Vandy
vs. Arizona State
vs. South Carolina
vs. Auburn
vs. Kentucky

The only bankable win is Tennessee Tech. Considering the massive losses for many of these teams, Georgia should beat South Carolina, Arizona State, Auburn, and Kentucky, and I like the team’s chances at Vandy and Tennessee. My hope is that Georgia can win two out of the “losable” category (preferably Florida & Tech, but I’ll take Arkansas & Okie State) and finish 9-3 (6-2) in the conference.

But, 7-5 is definitely plausible, which makes me frown, too.

The dude abides.

by imarealist on Apr 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let's see

at Okie State – As has been said on this blog many times before, we have a better year and a better performance on opening day when we schedule big games for Week 1. Personally, I don’t really get into trends like that and I take ‘em with a grain of salt, but I do think there’s something there. I expect a win.

at Arkansas – Should be interesting. I’m not 100% familiar with the schedule right now, it depends on which week we play ‘em. I think they’ll be dangerous late, still scraggling (that’s a word where I’m from) early.

vs. LSU – At home is big, they’ll be looking for payback. Tossup I think but home field advantage might/should decide it.

vs. Florida – We’ll lose. Forget it.

at Georgia Tech – I expect a beatdown, really. I honestly believe we’ll destroy them next year. Not to say we’ll field a team that is much better, I like*** what Georgia Tech is doing over there with Paul Johnson, but I think CMR will see this as a chance to say “We’re still older brother in the state.” I expect nothing less. Last year was a complete embarrassment, and that’s putting it family friendly out of respect for this blog.

at Tennessee – We’ll win by at least 2 TD’s I believe. Tennessee two years from now will have me a little worried, but not next year.

at Vandy – I hate playing them, period. Really I don’t know with this one.

vs. Arizona State – At home, I think we have their number. Should be a good game and wouldn’t be surprised to see ASU come in the underdogs and sneak out with a win. I think we’ll be the overwhelming favorites, and that’s when a team creeps up on you.

vs. South Carolina – At home, I think we should win this one. Definitely will be tough though. Also wouldn’t be surprised if USC snuck out with a win here.

vs. Auburn – Eh, I think we’ll take this one. But this is UGA/Auburn, so who knows. And we’re at home and that is a….bad thing when we play.

vs. Kentucky – Hope that QB doesn’t dissect us.

  • Please do not confuse that with “I like Georgia Tech”. In that sentence, I was using “like” as another word for “respect”.

by UgaBulldog14 on Apr 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be careful what you wish for

If you think home field advantage is going to make a difference in the LSU game, you might want to check which way you’re calling it. If home field makes the difference, that would probably tilt it in LSU’s direction. Let me explain my logic:

a) When Georgia plays in big games under Mark Richt, we almost always win on the road. When we lose, we lose at home. (We don’t always lose at home… it’s just that win we lose a big game, we lose it when it’s a home game.)
b) UGA/LSU will be a big game, and will be played in Athens.

ergo, if home field is a factor, I’d say that LSU might come out with the W.

by vineyarddawg on Apr 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, come on now...

Some of you Negative Nellies are acting like Joe has a 5 lb. chunk of Cromptonite hanging around his neck already. I think he’ll do just fine.

"Man with hole in pocket feeling cocky."
-Confucius

by DavetheDawg on Apr 24, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Expectations too high

Richt stated that last year was disappointing to the fans only because the expectations were too high.

What I take from that is to believe in the old adage that a pessimist is never disappointed. If I believe Georgia will be horrible, I can’t be disappointed when the team limps into the Music City Bowl with their tails between their legs. That’s what tempered enthusiasm tastes like.

Unlike South Carolina fans, I don’t believe Georgia can win the title every year. This year is one of those years. I just hope the team wins 10 games, wins a bowl game, and beats Tennessee and Auburn. If they do that, this season will be a success in my mind. They can do that and still lose a few games. Some likely won’t even be close. But, it is what it is.

The dude abides.

by imarealist on Apr 24, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All valid points...

but paint me an optimist. The ‘78 Wonderdogs come to mind (yes, I’m that old to remember). After a dismal ’77 campaign this team really jelled with absolutely no expectations to do so. The quarterbacking that year (a combination of Pyburn, Belue and a smidgen of Tony Flanagan I believe) managed each game fairly well. The same thing will have to happen this year. But more importantly, the defense has got to step it up, which I believe they will.

"Man with hole in pocket feeling cocky."
-Confucius

by DavetheDawg on Apr 24, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Would you say my expectations are too high if I think we can compete and/or win the SEC East and possibly the SEC Championship?

It’s WAY WAY early to even speculate, and UF looks monstrous again, but I really wouldn’t throw it out the window.

by UgaBulldog14 on Apr 24, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Expectations

If you really “expect” Georgia to compete and/or win the SEC East and possibly the SEC Championship, and you will be disappointed if they don’t, then, yes, your expectations are too high.

If you think Georgia could compete if everything fell into place, but only really expect them to win 10 games and go to a good bowl, then the SEC championship is less an expectation and more an aspiration.

I expect the team to win 10 games. I will be disappointed if they don’t. It is plausible that they could compete for the SEC title… but it’s just as likely that they’ll finish 7-5.

I would love to be at least cautiously optimistic about the Dawgs’ chances, but Mark Richt told me not to be.

The dude abides.

by imarealist on Apr 24, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto . . .

. . . but wouldn’t “Clausenite” be more apt?

Also, did anyone else see a derivation of “Kryptonite,” realize that Joe Cox bears a strong resemblance to Jimmy Olsen, and begin humming a Spin Doctors song?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Apr 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Cox doesn't have to win the game....

just don’t lose it for us. Consistency and good decision making go a long way in my book. I would rather take a sack, throw a ball away, or take a short gain than see a QB lacking elite arm strength try to make throws that are just plain ugly. I don’t think I have enough pictures in my house to cover up holes that may end up in my wall if this happens again.

by brewzer on Apr 24, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am completely with you on the 7 wins

Maybe 8 with a good, surprising game

Our QB situation is nowhere near a lock as some think…Shockley isn’t going out there. Our RB’s will take a shocking step back without Moreno. Our WR’s not named Green are incrdibly new and average in 2009. Our D still has question marks all around.

Our schedule is not easy.

by AppleCub on Apr 24, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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