How Good Should We as Georgia Bulldogs Fans Want Our S.E.C. Rivals to Be?
In the aftermath of national signing day (and Kiffingate), the only thing left to do was to rank the signing classes.
For me, this raised a question which quickly became a quandary. As fans primarily of our team but also of our league, we want the Bulldogs to be dominant, but we also want to be able to boast that the S.E.C. is the top conference in the country. We need our strength of schedule to be stout, but we also want to make it through the season unscathed. The question, then, is unavoidable:
I have run down the list of Georgia’s S.E.C. rivals and provided one man’s attempt to address this dilemma. As always, your mileage may vary:
Vanderbilt: I want the Commodores to be just good enough to be in the running for their sixth win late in the season. They should be good enough to be noteworthy occasionally but not good enough to be dangerous consistently. I like to have Vandy constantly bordering on bowl eligibility, but no more.
Kentucky: The Wildcats should be just good enough to get Ashley Judd to football games (so we can get regular camera shots of her in stands) but not so good that the U.K. faithful haven’t already mentally moved on to basketball season by the time we play the ‘Cats.

Arkansas: I'm perfectly O.K. with the Hogs being heinous. Come to think of it, I'm also all right with sending the Razorbacks home to their old Southwest Conference stomping grounds. We could make that a part of a trade to send Baylor to Conference USA, Arkansas to the Big 12, Clemson to the S.E.C., South Florida to the A.C.C., and Penn State to the Big East, all of which are more natural fits, and which would reduce the Big Ten’s membership to a number that makes the league’s name make sense.
South Carolina: My preference would be for the Gamecocks to languish in perpetual mediocrity with occasional realistic aspirations to eight or nine wins. You know, pretty much like the last 115 years or so.
Ole Miss: The Rebels deserve to be in perennial contention for the Independence Bowl and regular flirtation with the Liberty Bowl, with a Cotton Bowl trip every five or six years.
Mississippi State: I don't really care how good Mississippi State is. You don't really care how good the Western Division Bulldogs are, either. Heck, they don't really care how good they are. No one really cares how good they are. I just want them not to be good enough to win a conference title. Why? Because, every time Mississippi State wins an S.E.C. title, the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor. Seriously, that is a direct historical one-to-one correlation with a 100 per cent accuracy rate. Need proof? Fine. Years Mississippi State won the S.E.C.: 1941. Years the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor: 1941. Years Mississippi State didn’t win the S.E.C.: every other year ever. Years the Japanese didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor: every other year ever. It’s a foolproof predictor, like the rooster crowing and the sun rising. This is science, people!

You can give me that "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" stuff all you like, but, if M.S.U. ever wins the West again, I’m staying the heck out of Hawaii!
Louisiana State: Remember, from about 2002 to 2005, when Georgia and L.S.U. were the top two teams in the league and it looked like five of the next ten S.E.C. championship games were going to be between the Bulldogs and the Bayou Bengals, like we were going to be to the 21st century what Alabama and Florida were to the 1990s? Yeah, let's go back to that.
Alabama: Come on, deep down, you want Alabama to be good, right? Otherwise, think of all the crap we'll have to take from those Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Oklahoma people.
Tennessee: As perennial rivals go, I dislike the Volunteers the least. Even during the interminable losing streak during the 1990s, their fans seemed O.K. to me, and I could never work up a good frothing hatred for Phillip Fulmer. I'm not going to lie to you, though: I'd like Lane Kiffin to fall as flat on his face as it is possible for a coach to fall, for much the same reason that I wanted to see Brad Pitt shoot himself at the end of "Seven." Well, that, and the fact that Brad Pitt not dying made the last line of the movie not make a lick of sense, but, anyway. . . .
Auburn: I want Auburn to suck. I want Auburn to suck perpetually, continuously, in all places, at all times, and in all things. I want Auburn to suck with the strength of a thousand vacuum cleaners being sucked into a thousand whirlpools which in turn are being sucked into a thousand black holes, all while sucking simultaneously. The only thing I want Auburn to be good at is utter and absolute metaphysical suckitude, and, even then, I want Georgia Tech to suck slightly more, just so Auburn can’t be the best at anything, even sucking.

Florida: I want the Gators to be just good enough for it to matter when we beat them. Basically, I want Florida to be better than during the Ron Zook era but not as good as during the Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer eras. Somewhere in the Charley Pell/Galen Hall range would do nicely.
That’s how it breaks down for me, but I fully expect some of my fellow denizens of Bulldog Nation see it differently and I know for a certainty that fans of other S.E.C. schools take a divergent view. Let me know what you think in the comments below.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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SEC
I think that Arkansas and South Carolina have brought a lot to the SEC table. The SEC attendance would be up if we got rid of Vanderbilt and Mississippi State. We could get Texas and Texas A&M which would make the SEC totally dominant forever! How about all the track and basketball national championships that Arkansas brought to the conference? They will be back in football and I’m worried about that. I think Petrino is as sharp as any coach in the SEC. And South Carolina how about all their national championships? er, uh, well, they help round out the map. Clemson? Gimme a break! We don’t need to lower ourselves to that!!!
My take
I think the top 3 teams perennially in the West Should be LSU, Alabama, and Ole Miss, in that order. Ole Miss has a substantial history, but hasn’t even so much as sniffed the SEC Championship game in the 2-division era. It’s too bad, really, since the ladies of the Grove would fit so nicely into a shot where they’re crying as their team loses to Georgia in the Dome. (Don’t get me wrong… the lasses from LSU fit into that shot well, too. Don’t know about ‘Bama girls yet, but I imagine they’d be tossing bottles and assorted sundries, much like they did in Tuscaloosa in ’07.)
After the top 3 in the West, I’d say Auburn, Arkansas, and Miss. State, in that order.
As for the East, let me just say one thing: I hate Florida. As much venom and hatred as Kyle is filled with for the Plainmen War Eagles Tigers… I have just that much for the Sunshine State Saurians. Even so, in my ideal world, Georgia would finish 14-0, Florida would finish 12-1, and that one loss would be to Georgia by at least a couple of touchdowns. I want the cocktail party to be a monumental showdown… a game which the entire nation is eagerly anticipating, wanting to see which of the superpowers will emerge victorious if the Gators can finally break their curse against the Dawgs. Granted, this would likely mean having to put up with College Gameday, but there are enough places in Jacksonville to go that would be safely away from the overhyped ESPN roadshow.
After Georgia and Florida, my east would probably be Tennessee, Kentucky, Vandy, and S. Carolina. I have no respect for the chickens.
Fair points, but, in defense of Ole Miss . . .
. . . they came within one Eli Manning fourth-down trip of possibly upsetting national championship-bound L.S.U. in 2003, which would have sent them to the Georgia Dome.
Your point is well taken, but the Rebels did sniff a title game once.
Go 'Dawgs!
Interesting takes...
I like to peruse the SEC blogosphere to, more than anything, get an idea of where my team stands in the opinion of others around the league. It’s one of the reasons I visit this site, aside from the excellent writing, and I can always count on Kyle to pull out the entire arsenal when it comes to my Hogs. In all actuality, though, Kyle’s opinion, by and large, does not differ too drastically from most of those elsewhere around the league. It’s something that I’ve dealt with and learned to accept over the last 17 years. We’re the red-headed stepchild of the SEC, and nothing we do will ever change that. What bothers me, though, is the consensus acceptance of South Carolina into the SEC brotherhood. What gives? I think if you compare Arkansas to South Carolina and how they’ve performed on the respective fields of play the last 17 years, it’s really no question who belongs more. I could run down a list of achievements, but I honestly think the true fans among us are well aware (that includes you Bulldog 62!!!).
Kyle, it’s funny that you bring up “sending [us] home to [our] old Southwest Conference stomping grounds,” as that seems to be a source of much discussion among the Arkansas fan base each and every offseason. There are many among us that would not mind rekindling the flame with our SWC brethren. It says a lot that Texas remains our biggest rival despite playing them only three times in the last 17 years. Personally, I think we’re right where we need to be. Not where we belong, but where we need to be. And who knows… maybe being disrespected and hated by most fans around the league is a good thing. I’d rather people have those sentiments than the ones they have for Miss. St.
So as not to go completely off-topic… I like the SEC East better when Tennessee is good. Kentucky and Vandy should always be gimmes. I like the SEC West better when Alabama is good. The Mississippi schools—one SECCG appearance between them both—should always be gimmes.
Arkansas..
Honestly, I doubt many SEC fans hate Arkansas. We just don’t really care about the Hogs, and probably for a variety of reasons:
1) The relative newness of Arkansas as an SEC institution – true hatred takes time to develop.
2) The remoteness of Fayetteville. The geographic center of the SEC is probably somewhere between Atlanta and Birmingham, and y’all are an outlier.
3) You haven’t won an SEC title in football, and that’s what it would take to get most folks’ attention.
Really, the only 2 reasons I can think of to dislike Arkansas are because of Clint Stoerner’s fumble and because you unleashed the Clintons on the rest of us.
Well, being on the receiving end of a couple of things:
1. phantom defensive holding penalties (on the winning play)
2. failure to call 12 men (and false start!) penalties (on the winning play)
3. the mysterious food poisoning (ahem flu) that resulted in two dozen player mysteriously getting sick the night before an SEC opener (and losing 42-6)
I despise playing them. Perhaps if UGA had to travel to Fayetteville, you would too.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
SCAR on the other hand...
largely irrelevant. Besides the UGA-SoCar games, and the occasional gigging of UT, I could care less.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Like SCAR?
I’m not sure that too many of us would say that we like S. Carolina better than your Hogs. Certainly, Arkansas has a much more successful history, and has much better, well, everything than the Carolina Chickens.
I think the argument is more that the chickens belong more in the SEC than the Hogs do. Having been to a game in every SEC stadium (except Ben Hill Griffin Stadium/Florida Field/The Swamp/Soon-to-be-Spurrier-Meyer-pressbox or something like that), I can personally vouch that so much about Arkansas just feels different than every other SEC school. The fans, the atmosphere, and even the band and the anthems they play have a lot more in common with their Big 12 brethren than with their peers in the SEC. Given Arkansas’ long tenure in the SWC, this seems like it shouldn’t be so surprising, but it was to me both times I was there. (I have some Big 12 exposure, too, with very good friends that went to A&M.)
Personally, if I got what I wanted, I’d kick the chickens out, too, replace them with Clemson, and replace the Hogs with someone like FSU or perhaps one of these upstarts with a lot of potential like USF or Southern Miss. (Heck, in the ’90’s, Southern Miss beat Alabama more than Georgia did… which is to say, at least once.)
I don’t hold any malice against Arkansas… but I agree with Kyle. They belong with their old brethren.
Arky
The best I can remember, most SEC fans were interested in seeing FSU join the SEC way back when the conference expanded, but that never happened. I think one of the big issues was that Arkansas had a heritage and tradition and was still viewed as a SWC team.
South Carolina didn’t really have strong traditions or connections- passing time with the ACC maybe, so there wasn’t a barrier there. Granted it is a more recent development, but I think having Spurrier ties them closer to the SEC. But if you read Georgia blogs there are a lot of people who don’t like or look down upon the Gamecocks.
Clemson didn’t ever really seem like an ACC school before the SEC expansion. They were a football school, not a basketball school. Plus, having Auburn Part II would have been more natural than South Carolina.
I think FSU and Southern Miss would have been better SEC schools to add, but that is just my opinion. Both were playing SEC teams regularly when the expansion happened. FSU was definitely a good team on the rise and So Miss was prone to upsetting teams.
I don’t mind the teams we have now, some times I think we should send Vandy to the ACC, but I like have a Bobby Johnson team in the SEC. I do however, think the trip to Arkansas sucks. I have been to every SEC campus except LSU, and Fayetteville is definitely the most out of the way place.
FSU
The real reason that FSU isn’t in the SEC is because it is historically a women’s college….oh and a clown college too.
Ha!
Yes, I remember going to see the FSU circus at Callaway Gardens. They’ve been doing that gig for a long, long time (if they’re still doing it).
by NCT on Feb 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
yep - still there
I was at Callaway last summer for a triathlon and yes – clown circus is still there. I think I saw Coach Bowden wandering around with big shoes and a red squeaky nose.
Hmm....
I definitely think that Arkansas should be with their SWC rivals. They’ve always seemed out of place in the SEC to me. I think we should swap South Carolina for Tech with the ACC. USC’s traditional rivals are all ACC teams with the exception of UGA, and Tech’s traditional rivals are all SEC teams, with the exception of Clemson. Seems the logical thing to do
Well
I pretty much agree everything about this although like vineyarddog my level of hatred for Florida is pretty much undescribable. If I had my way in this assessment Florida would swap with Auburn and they would be the rival we had the monumentous showdown with every year while Florida would win absolutely 1 game a year over S Car so that I could laugh at Florida for sucking bad enough to win 1 game and I could laugh at Spurrier for giving them that win every year.
I want all SEC Teams to be good...
…..just as long as they lose to us.
I even pulled for Florida in the NC……C’mon, you have to pull for the SEC.
Alabama is a given……they put the SEC on the map…………they defended the SEC and won Championships and shut the traps of Northern and Western schools.
I still find your Auburn fetish funny……maybe a psychological projection in that they are a mirror image of us?
Bottom line, I always pull for the SEC. It’s like saying, “I can make fun of my family, but no one else better.”
Hating the Barn is never a fetish...
it’s required. No matter where your allegiance lie. Even Boogs hate themselves. Deep down in their psyches (granted, that’s about the intellectual depth of an ice tray).
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
re: Florida
I even pulled for Florida in the NC……C’mon, you have to pull for the SEC.
No sir, my anti-Gator bias is much, much stronger than any pro-SEC sentiment I possess. They can rot.
re: re: Florida
I agree wholeheartedly. Depsite my SEC allegiances I cheered openly for Oklahoma to win that game just like I rooted for every opponent of Florida all year long. Down with the Gators!
I rooted for UGA to beat MSU in the Capital One
…and felt good when they won.
I hope you felt like a loser after cheering for OU.
I can't hate any SEC team
More than an OOC team. Just can’t. For instance, as cretinous as UT is, they are Alabama’s retarded redheaded step child to throw in the closet…NOT property of Wisconsin or Iowa State or anyone else you want to name. Same with the Barn.
Southern football became the way it is through a balkanizing mindset: Us against tThem. We v. They. The “they” and “them” being everyone else that thumbs their noses down at southerners in derision. It is truly our cultural paternity, and I won’t yield that.
They call me GothLaw
by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 10, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, didn't feel like a loser at all after cheering for Oklahoma
But it was a good game, at least.
by The ArchDawg on Feb 10, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions

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