Why the Auburn Tigers Should Be a Division Rival of the Georgia Bulldogs
While I haven’t exactly been a slacker at blogging lately (I’ve been covering the Diamond Dogs pretty thoroughly, if I do say so myself), I haven’t written anything about football in a while, and, really, you know, I know, and the American people know that it’s all about the football.
Accordingly, I was pleased when one of C&F’s recent "sprints" postings (which you really should be reading on a daily basis if you aren’t already) called my attention to War Eagle Atlanta’s argument for the proposition that Auburn belongs in the S.E.C. East.
Let me go ahead and get this out of the way: I hate Auburn.
I hate Auburn in the pit of my stomach and the marrow of my bones and the depths of my heart and the core of my soul. I hate Auburn from the belly button outward in every direction. I hate Auburn downward to the liquid hot magma in the center of the earth and I hate Auburn upward to the shining canopy of the heavens. If I had my genome sequenced and allowed it to be posted on the internet, I believe you would see that I carry an Auburn-hating gene. (Fortunately, this gene is dominant, which means my descendants will carry the congenital hatred of Auburn, too.) I hate Florida and Georgia Tech in the ordinary way that I’m supposed to hate them, but I hate Auburn in a way that causes me, as a Christian, to feel that I should ask God for forgiveness each November.

Accordingly, I could not agree more wholeheartedly with War Eagle Atlanta’s contention that the Plainsmen belong in the East and the Volunteers belong in the West.
War Eagle Atlanta’s painstaking case for this proposition is too factually detailed and historically intricate for me to do justice to it in summary; if you haven’t read it yet, go read it, right now, then come back. I’ll wait.
While the events of the last 17 years (since the expansion of the S.E.C. and the divisional split) have skewed our perceptions regarding which league foes are natural, and ought to be annual, rivals, War Eagle Atlanta is right that Tennessee’s series with Georgia and Florida are purely recent developments from a blood feud standpoint. Although the Bulldogs’ series with the Volunteers dates back to 1899, 24 of the 38 gridiron meetings between the two have happened in my lifetime . . . and, had I been born 50 days earlier, 25 of those 38 clashes would have occurred since my birth.
It’s a young rivalry with little history. In the first 35 seasons of Southeastern Conference competition, the ‘Dawgs and the Vols played just twice, and, for it to have been such a high-profile game in recent years, there have been remarkably few memorable classics among the series clashes. Any Georgia fan can rattle off a half-dozen storied outings in the rivalries with Florida, Auburn, and Georgia Tech, but there have been few such timeless games against Tennessee.
In terms of history and hatred (the two touchstones of sports rivalries), Georgia-Auburn is far bigger than Georgia-Tennessee and Florida-Auburn is far bigger than Florida-Tennessee. Moreover, the Volunteers’ most storied rivalry is with a Western Division team, Alabama. War Eagle Atlanta could not be more correct, therefore, when he claims that Tennessee’s natural fit is in the Western Division and Auburn’s natural fit is in the Eastern Division.
Granted, there is a certain geographic imbalance to putting Tennessee in the West while keeping Vanderbilt in the East, but the location of the S.E.C.’s member institutions ensures some degree of geographic imbalance unless we are going to divide the league into an S.E.C. North (Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt) and an S.E.C. South (Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana State, and Mississippi State), but the latitudinal line dividing Oxford from Jackson and Athens from Columbia is a fine one, subjecting M.S.U. to such an alignment likely would get the S.E.C. commissioner tried before the Hague, and no self-respecting S.E.C. institution would ever consent to being in anything called the North.

Actually, it’s a pretty good bet that, just because the whisky bottler did something to provoke a boycott from Michigan fans, we’re going to buy more Maker’s Mark than we would have already . . . which is saying something, considering that we tailgate harder for the spring game than most folks do in the fall.
Although the most sensible geographic split would send Auburn to the East and Vanderbilt to the West, that wouldn’t do much for competitive balance in the two divisions, last season’s result notwithstanding. Accordingly, the more sensible sacrifice is to do what War Eagle Atlanta suggests and line up every team with its most historically important natural rivals.
Trust me, you wouldn’t miss playing Tennessee every year nearly as much as you think you would. Facing the Vols in periodic two-year home-and-home sets is the traditional norm between the two teams; that’s how we played the Big Orange every time we faced Tennessee after 1925 but before 1992: Athens in 1936, Knoxville in 1937; Knoxville in 1968, Athens in 1969; Athens in 1972, Knoxville in 1973; Knoxville in 1980, Athens in 1981; Athens in 1988, Knoxville in 1989. Going back to having a rotating series with U.T. would mean sacrificing 17 years’ worth of modern practice in order to restore more than 50 years’ worth of prior history. That’s a deal I’ll take.

Yes, it would mean that the Volunteers would begin facing either Kentucky or Vanderbilt on a rotating basis, as only one of them could be Tennessee’s permanent opponent from the other division. Frankly, I’m for throwing the ‘Dores under the bus on this one. I couldn’t care less about Tennessee’s rivalries with either, but there’s a liquor-themed victory trophy between U.T. and U.K., which earns pride of place for the Wildcats in my mind. Preserving Tennessee-Vanderbilt as a yearly affair simply isn’t as important as restoring Auburn’s rivalry with Florida.
Finally, I’d be willing to run the risk of having Alabama and Auburn (who, obviously, would be one another’s permanent opponents from the other division) finish first on both sides of the conference divide and meet again in the Georgia Dome. In order to eliminate the risk of them having to square off two times in consecutive weekends, we could relocate the Iron Bowl on the calendar, in yet another reclamation of imprudently discarded tradition.
That’s not as extreme as it sounds. The Tide and the Tigers had a 41-year break in their series, but, before the resumption of on-field hostilities, Auburn was the final game on Alabama’s schedule exactly zero times between 1896 and 1947. Put another way, the Crimson Tide have played 114 seasons of college football, during which they have faced Auburn last 60 times and someone other than Auburn last 54 times. Let’s not pretend that moving the Iron Bowl from the weekend after Thanksgiving is tantamount to putting lights in Wrigley Field.
‘Bama closed out the campaign against Tennessee regularly in the early 1900s, during the same period that Georgia was concluding the autumn against Auburn 18 times in 23 years from 1892 to 1914. Move Tennessee to the West and let Alabama go back to playing the last game of the year against the Vols; move Auburn to the East and let Georgia go back to playing the last game of the year against the Tigers. Problem solved, tradition restored, hatred inflamed. Dang, I love S.E.C. football.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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Two other points:
(Sorry; when I get on a roll, I get on a roll.)
1. Regarding the idea of moving the Iron Bowl on the calendar, let’s not forget that Alabama and Auburn already moved the Iron Bowl from its traditional venue. Georgia and Florida still play in Jacksonville, and Oklahoma and Texas still play in Dallas, even though both neutral site games have undergone stadium upgrades due to the N.F.L. However, the Tide and the Tigers no longer play in Birmingham. Legion Field was at least as much a part of the Iron Bowl tradition as playing it at the end of the year; Alabama-Auburn was played in Birmingham as recently as 1998, while Alabama-Auburn was played other than in the season’s final game for both teams as recently as 2003. If you can scrap one tradition with impunity, you can surely dispense with the other.
2. There are two ways of setting up the permanent opponents from the other division. Either way you do it, Alabama-Auburn and Kentucky-Tennessee would be used and Florida-L.S.U. and Arkansas-South Carolina would be preserved. You could either keep Ole Miss-Vanderbilt and make Georgia-Mississippi State an annual “dog-eat-dog” affair or make frequent cellar-dwellers M.S.U. and Vandy perennial rivals while resuming the Georgia-Mississippi series as an annual clash, as was the case every year from 1966 to 2002. Personally, I prefer the latter option, but either would work.
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Florida-LSU
Is that really much a historic rivalry? I’ll look it up later, but I thought UF-LSU was as much a creature of conference expansion as anything else. Having picked the teams for each division, UT-Bama and UGA-Auburn had to be maintained. I thought UF-LSU just happened because they seemed reasonably matched, and all the other traditional rivalries took precedence. UF had a pretty good argument for taking Auburn, but UF didn’t have near the clout it would take to trump the South’s Oldest Rivalry (the fine folks in Chapel Hill and Charlottesville need to learn how to read a calendar).
LSU vs. Florida
They’ve played 55 times overall, and every year since 1953 except for the 3 years from ‘68-’70.
Florida holds a 29-23-3 record. It was 18-17-3 in favor of LSU before 1992.
by Hobnail_Boot on Feb 27, 2009 5:05 AM EST up reply actions
I know you don't follow the Iron Bowl quite as stringently as I do
So let me fill in the details about some of the things you assert about the Iron Bowl. Yes, it was played in Birmingham for forever. But ask almost any Auburn fan, and he’ll tell you that wasn’t a neutral site game. Yes, the tickets were dispensed evenly, but considering that Alabama played many of their home games (particularly the big ones, like against UT) in Legion Field, Tuscaloosa is 45 minutes from Birmingham while Auburn is 2 hours, and that Birmingham was a big-time Tide city (I’d say it still is, but Auburn’s creeping up there), it just didn’t seem like a true neutral site game. I think that’s a tradition that’s been put to rest, especially considering the fact that both Auburn and UAT’s on-campus stadiums are larger than Legion Field, and neither of them are located in the ghetto.
Also, Auburn was not Alabama’s final game of the season in 2003, as you mention, because they were on probation and decided to schedule Hawaii for the weekend after the Iron Bowl as a sort of “bowl game” trip, since they weren’t allowed to go to a bowl game (or maybe they just saw a 4-9 season coming). I don’t have the time or effort to look it up, but as long as I can remember, the Iron Bowl has been the last game of the season for both teams (except in instances like above).
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by jd is legend on Feb 27, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Not whining
I never attended an Iron Bowl in Birmingham. In fact, this was the first play of my first ever live Iron Bowl my freshman year at Auburn. But many of the Auburn folks who watched many Iron Bowls in Birmingham in the 70s (before my lifetime) will agree with my point.
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by jd is legend on Feb 27, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
As an aside
I have a problem with the Auburn-Bama game’s being called the Iron Bowl when the game’s no longer in Birmingham. It’s not a big problem, mind you; and on the scale of silly nickname artifacts, it definitely ranks lower than L.A. Lakers, Calgary Flames, or Utah Jazz (snicker).
I understand those things
I get that there were reasons for moving the game from Birmingham. As a fan of the only Auburn rival that agreed without too much fuss to play Auburn at Auburn (after a lengthy neutral site series in Columbus, which is in Georgia but closer to the Auburn campus), I can appreciate why it was reasonable for the series to go home-and-home. (For the record, fotodog is right that those same arguments apply to Jacksonville, but I strongly support keeping the Cocktail Party where it is.) The fact is, though, Legion Field was a longstanding part of the Iron Bowl tradition for many years, and it went away. This can, too.
Your description of the reasons for Alabama’s season-ending trips to Hawaii in 2002 and 2003 is accurate, and, obviously, some instances of Alabama ending the season against another opponent were utterly involuntarily (e.g., the Tide closed out the 2001 season against Southern Miss because that game was rescheduled from the Saturday following the September 11 terrorist attacks, when all the games were postponed). All the Hawaii scenario means, though, is that Alabama is willing to end a season against someone other than Auburn, given sufficient reason. This is, in my opinion, a sufficient reason.
For what it’s worth, ‘Bama also ended the season against Miami in 1963 and Texas A&M in 1988, so it isn’t like there aren’t other examples since the resumption of the rivalry. Certainly, Alabama-Auburn as the last game of the season is far less sacrosanct than the Third Saturday in October, but Alabama-Tennessee has been played on the second and fourth Saturdays in October with regularity.
Nevertheless, as always, I appreciate your coming by and commenting, jd. Although War Eagle Atlanta is growing on me, you’re unquestionably my favorite Auburn commenter, and I thank you for being both informative and cordial.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Feb 27, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
You're tugging at my heart, Kyle
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by jd is legend on Feb 27, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Money talks, old rivals walk
The SEC isn’t worried about ‘classic circa 1960’s matchups’ that didn’t have one television camera around and no more than 5 newspaper guys. This is about getting the best teams in the conference: UF, UGA, UT, AU, UA, and LSU playing each other as many times as possible which is one perminent cross division rival and rotation of the other two (in 06 UF played all 5 other major SEC powers; same with UGA in 08). I don’t here anyone complaining (UF and LSU) about winning the SEC and going to play in a bowl game that was invented 3 years ago instead of the SUGAR bowl. This is the best system going, the splitting teams by states gives clean divison and perfect balance. Each divison has a 3 teams that think they should win the SEC every year, one expansion team each, and UK Vandy Miss and Miss St who are decent in intervals but know better to think they could finish in the AP top 10 five times in one decade. the SEC has the best system going and its never NEVER going to change. To say that keeping with history is important you have lost touch with the extreme change college football has undergone in the last 25 years. New traditions have more room in the social minds of Football fans due to the extreme exposure increase that has happened in the recent past.
Thanks for the info, Hobnail
NCT, I’m not necessarily married to that particular arrangement, particularly since nodice is right that this isn’t going to happen. (In my defense, I never said it was, just that it should.)
If Florida-L.S.U. is a more traditional rivalry that many of us gave it credit for being, though, that’s all the more reason why we should move the Vols, revive Georgia’s annual series with Ole Miss, and keep the league’s historic rivalries intact. Yes, it would mean sacrificing Tennessee-Vanderbilt, but, to paraphrase Rick Pitino: Dan McGugin ain’t walking through that door.
Nodice, you are, of course, correct that such a move will not occur, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t. I don’t know of any real rivalries I’m breaking up, and I don’t know why annual affrays between, e.g., Tennessee and L.S.U. would be any less telegenic than those between Tennessee and Florida.
I do, however, take issue with this statement: “To say that keeping with history is important you have lost touch with the extreme change college football has undergone in the last 25 years.” I am fully aware of the changes that have taken place in college football in recent years. I acknowledge all of them and support many of them.
Nevertheless, keeping with history remains important. The S.E.C. acknowledged as much when it split the divisions in such a way that kept most of the existing rivalries intact. In a sport that boasts of the importance of tradition as constantly as college football, keeping up with history remains more important than in any other sport.
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Sorry
I didn’t mean to get political, but the 1937 date (representing the shift in the Supreme Court regarding its willingness to accept New Deal programs as Constitutional) made me think of him, and I needed to include some pictures to break up the text.
On the plus side, if you’re not a strict constructionist, you can always read my favorable references to Uncle Nino as a condemnation of him, since the ordinary use of words and authorial intent have no bearing upon interpretation! :)
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by T Kyle King on Feb 27, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW
Challenging Scalia isn’t political. It’s about what’s right and wrong from a Constitutional standpoint. At least that’s what I say when I realize I’ve had one drink too many to carry on a rational argument and I’m on the verge of channeling my inner Donald Wilkes.
Touche
By the way, Professor Wilkes and I were the last two patrons in the Mayflower as they were closing up shop for the afternoon at around 2:30 on Friday.
That’s neither here nor there, but you don’t get a lot of Professor Wilkes references, so you have to respond to them where you can.
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As far as...
Iron Bowl dates are concerned, I don’t care if it’s before or after Turkey Day, nor do I care if it’s necessarily the last game on the schedule, but it should be the last conference game. I would be a little upset at having the last hole on our fabled ‘Amer Corner’ schedule taken away from us. There’s just something magical about November and ending the seson with our biggest two rivals.
For years, I thought that Vandy might be the most likely candidate to join Auburn in a conference chinese fire drill, but that would have left the east tiltering 45 degrees to starboard. I just wish I was more privy to the negotiations that were going on when they pieced the divisions together the way they did.
Although I think the trend is for the holdout BCS conferences to gradually move towards divisional play, the PAC10 format of a 9-game schedule and playing every single one of your stable mates is more and more intriguing. Unfortunately, if we ever hope to get a FBS playoff, conference championship games will serve a de facto first rounds of the playoff, so I don’t think we’re turning back the clock on divisional play anytime soon.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions
If you go into Alabama, watch your back
I don’t think most people will be as kind as War Eagle
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History is just that
30 years ago teams played 6 conference games, against 5 regular opponents and a rotation of the remaining teams. If History was so important, why not drop SC and ARK and play 9 conference games a year so everyone plays everyone, get rid of the SEC Championship game and demand SEC Champion goes to the SUGAR Bowl. The thought that Tennessee needs to get to the west to restore its tradional matchups is crazy when they measure themselves against Florida and Georiga (to a degree). They still play Alabama yearly which is one of the big three inter-divison games played every season. Auburn vs. Florida is the lost game that kept the two opposite division yearly opponents, but both Florida and Tennessee prefer to play each other instead of the UF AU matchup with its recent history, perfect place on the SEC schedule and now more than ever a heated rivalry with national attention. I respect the view many of you have, but over 15 years in this set-up has more weight than older traditions ever had.
I have to agree with nodice
I think the appeal to tradition is not a valid argument. Certain rivalries are ongoing today as they are traditional rivalries, and that is all well, but we don’t necessarily have to do everything imaginable to maintain every tradition known to man. Some are going to die out (or simply fade away). Other will continue and some will strengthen. But tradition alone is not a reason why we should advocate conference realignment. I personally like it as it is today. Just my two cents…
by marktheshark on Feb 27, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it happens
Personally, as one who loves tradition, I mourned the relegation of Auburn-Tech to “occasional” status (a la Georgia-Clemson).
Though as a South Carolina fan, I could live with bringing Tulane and Georgia Tech back to the SEC
One more conference win, maybe two …
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People seem...
eager to want to deflate the conference back to 10 teams, which would include dropping the new kids on the block, Arky and SC. How would you feel about that? I’m defintely opposed to booting any team, but there have been rumors for years that Arkansas might wish to defect one day.
As far as the two you mentioned, Tech made it’s bed a long time ago and Tulane is no longer good enough to qualify for membership.
by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 28, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Given the results of recent contests . . .
. . . in the Georgia-South Carolina and Georgia-Georgia Tech series (both of which feature close games usually won by the Bulldogs with occasional upsets by the Gamecocks or the Yellow Jackets), I suspect a Georgia Tech-South Carolina series would be competitive year in and year out, and I’d be very surprised if either team did better than 6-4 against the other over a ten-year period.
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I just wish I was more privy to the negotiations that were going on when they pieced the divisions together the way they did.
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Swap South Carolina for Georgia Tech.
Since GT was a charter member of the SEC lets swap the bugs for the chickens. Bring back those old classic rivalries. Sure the Conference would lose some seats but that would put both in state rivalries in conference, and open the door for a permanent out of conference home and home annual tilt between Georgia and Clemson.. The way it should be. GATA , Go Dawgs !
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