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Georgia Bulldogs to Face Texas A&M Aggies; 'Bama-Texas Set As Expected

First things first . . . the national championship game has been set, and, as expected, it will pit the Alabama Crimson Tide against the Texas Longhorns. Put another way, it will pit Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, a member of the University of Georgia graduating class of 1999, against Texas defensive coordinator Will Muschamp, a member of the University of Georgia graduating class of 1995. Clearly, the lesson of this college football season is that the key to winning a national championship is putting your defense in the hands of someone who graduated from the University of Georgia in the 1990s. (For the record, I received a B.A. from the University of Georgia in 1990 and a J.D. from the University of Georgia in 1997. My resume and references are available upon request.)

As always, there is some controversy regarding the two teams picked to compete for the final No. 1 ranking. Let’s ask Florida Gators quarterback Tim Tebow what he thinks of the Alabama-Texas matchup. Tim?

Thank you, Tim. For the record, here is a list of the most recent years in which each of the twelve teams in the SEC went undefeated:

Star-divide

Auburn Tigers: 2004
Tennessee Volunteers: 1998
Alabama Crimson Tide: 1992
Georgia Bulldogs: 1980
Arkansas Razorbacks: 1964
Mississippi Rebels: 1962
LSU Tigers: 1958
Vanderbilt Commodores: 1944
Mississippi St. Bulldogs: 1940
Florida Gators: 1911
South Carolina Gamecocks: 1907
Kentucky Wildcats: 1898

I’m just saying.

Closer to home, the news was as expected: Georgia will go to the Independence Bowl to face the Texas A&M Aggies. The game will be played on ESPN2 at 5:00 p.m. on Monday, December 28.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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just remember

at the end of the day, your mascot is still dead.

by quezzygreen on Dec 6, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

At least the loss of a beloved friend, pet and mascot

is generally considered to be an actual reason for tears, unlike say, losing a football game.

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Dec 6, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

And you still suck, douche nozzle.

That about covers it. Ass clown.

I think Erk Russell could have kicked Clint Eastwood and John Wayne's butts with a corn cob and one hand tied behind his back. GATA!

by AeroDawg on Dec 6, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I am reminded of a story about Winston Churchill . . .

. . . who showed up sauced for a state function and was told by a prim and proper British lady, “You, sir, are drunk!” Churchill replied: “And you, madam, are ugly . . . but I will be sober in the morning, whereas you will still be ugly.”

Yes, Uga VII is dead. His brother, Russ, is 1-0 as a stand-in, and Uga VIII will be introduced next autumn. Our mascot is dead; long live our mascot.

The Florida Gators, however, still will have gone nearly a century without an undefeated season. How do you suppose the loss of Dan Mullen, Tim Tebow, and (quite probably) Charlie Strong will affect the Saurians’ prospects for reversing that trend, quezzygreen?

Yeah, that’s what I thought, too. We’ll see y’all in Louisiana for our respective disappointing bowl berths!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 6, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Just remember...

At the end of the day, you’re still a guy with nothing better to do than surf blogs of your rivals waiting for an opportunity to say something inflammatory.

Get a hobby. Maybe knit yourself some fresh panties.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 6, 2009 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

One of these things is not like the other...

One of these things just doesn’t belong…

Alabama
Texas
Boise State
F L O R I D A
Cincinnati
TCU

La la la la happy happy joy joy

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."

Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Dec 7, 2009 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hey, mind your manners! He was a cute little fat bastard! May he R.I.P.

(I’m not too sure his being so fat didn’t lead to his untimely demise, but it was part of his charm. Dogs and cats can get away with being fat, unlike people. Fat people don’t bother me all that much except when they sit beside me on planes occupying their seat as well as most of mine.)

by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 7, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair points, Auburn '07 in Manhattan

You’re almost certainly correct that Uga VII’s weight was a factor in his fatal heart attack. A quick flip through the pictures of the Uga line in the Georgia media guide reveals that the Georgia mascots have been getting progressively larger over the years, which cannot be good for their health.

By the way, not to get overly technical, but Uga undoubtedly was legitimate; heck, his papers probably check out better than most of ours! Accordingly, “bastard” is not an accurate description of him (although, admittedly, “son of a bitch” is).

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Incidentally, the Aggies share certain traditions with us

they also have full funerals (military funerals in their case) when a mascot passes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reveille_%28Texas_A%26M%29

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Dec 6, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

I have no idea how we are going to cover A.J. Green, but I hope we make it a good game. How do y’all feel about your defensive coaches refusing to coach in the bowl game?

by miketag on Dec 6, 2009 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

in a word - conflicted.

We weren’t exactly thrilled with the defense all year. Since they’ve been told they aren’t being retained next year, not coaching the bowl game is reasonably understandable, and we gave them the option. So the question then is, which is worse, our defense with the coaches or without them?

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Dec 6, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i can still feel the burn on that one. nice!

sadly, i have grater confidence in our boys just going out and playing hard. I think playing a game w/o a DC is the definition of junkyard dawgs

Once a Dawg, Always a Dawg. How Sweet it is!

by oneloyaldawg on Dec 7, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

"Your fired! But if you'd like to hang around for the holiday party at the end of the year...

…feel free to do so."

Those coaches, and CMR’s staff, have much better things to do in getting on with their futures. Why is it surprising?

Run Lindsay Run!

by ausdawg85 on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to imply any sort of conspiracy...

But does anybody else find it interesting that the two non-BCS teams are playing each other. As a result they will not have a chance to beat 2 different BCS teams and both end the season undefeated. My… Didn’t that work out conveniently for the BCS.

I’m sure there is a perfectly logical reason (i.e. Selection order mixed with available at large teams) but I have a hard time believing the Fiesta chose TCU and Boise because they thought those two teams would be the best draw.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 6, 2009 10:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Considering there wasn’t a second Pac 10 team available, I’m not so sure TCU-BSU wasn’t the best available draw for the Fiesta. Certainly, the game will be well-attended, and the local economy will get as good a boost as with any other teams.

And now that I think about it, TCU vs. Boise State sounds better than every other bowl, except the championship. Seriously. Outside of Tebow’s next tearful farewell, what’s compelling about the others?

by NCT on Dec 6, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that it's certainly the most compelling game.

It’s just that given the size of the two fanbases I’m not sure about the attendance.

Of course, for hardcore college football fans its a great matchup, but it will be interesting to see how many average everyday folks tune in. Georgia—Hawaii was one of the lowest rated games in years. If this is similarly rated low, it’ll just give the BCS money people another reason to think non-majors shouldn’t be in the biggest game.

I’m just more skeptical of the BCS selections than I used to be and it seems like after the bellyaching after the Utah game last year it would be in the best interest of the BCS to minimize the number of possible undefeated non-BCS teams.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 6, 2009 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No conspiracy.

The bowls pick in order, don’t forget, and the Fiesta went ahead of the Sugar. When the F took TCU and the S took UF, the F then took Boise over Cincinnati…likely because of dollars. Boise travels well, Cincy not so much, especially to Arizona.

by rbubp on Dec 7, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think it is a compelling game bc they played each other last year. I think the BCS did it that way so u wouldn’t see TCU beat UF or GTech and claim they should be national champs

by miketag on Dec 7, 2009 4:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

totally agree

unfortunately, this game means nothing. The BCS doesn’t want to have the uproar it did last year or previous years that a mid-major took down a perennial heavyweight. By matching these two up, the only outcome will be, “yea, but you beat Boise St/TCU”

It really screws both of these teams and mid-majors on making a statement… dare i say, having 2 non BCS schools in the BCS this year was probably the worst thing that could of happened. I really think TCU could have hung in there with anyone.

by knowshon loves legos on Dec 7, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Horrible match-up.

Didn’t realize the BCS czars would think there is such a huge outcry for a rematch of last year’s Poinsetta Bowl. I would have hated to see Penn St or similar team get such a free ride to a top bowl, but TCU and Boise need to be…and I’m sure want to be…tested against others.

On a side note…someone should put together Red & Black packages for the 2 LA games so we can cheer our dawgs and then root for Cincy…and vice versa…to be sure the other guys don’t have too much of a home crowd advantage.

Run Lindsay Run!

by ausdawg85 on Dec 7, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not a Tebow hater

but it bugs me that he is basically one of the (the?) most successful NCAA players ever and he is teared up rather than smiling at an amazing collegiate career.

and i hate the media love

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. ~ Albert Einstein

by tankertoad on Dec 7, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah... My Dad was saying he felt sorry for him last night...

I asked him why. The kid won two MNC’s, a Heisman trophy, and he’ll be taking some dope NFL team for millions of dollars (I’m guessing the Raiders though his persona doesn’t seem like Al Davis’ style — you know, upstanding). He has the eternal adoration of millions of Florida fans.

If you want to feel sorry for someone, how about Herzlich. Or one of the numerous players that have their careers ended each year by brutal injuries.

I know he wanted to win another one, but Tebow should just be thankful for what he achieved and leave it at that.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Regardless of the source and genuiness of the emotion...

…it is blatantly selfish. Crying VISABLY is just begging for attention and to be consoled. OK, he had big expectations and personalized them by putting the gator nation on “his” shoulders, and then realized “his” failure.

Guy needs a shrink, not adulation. And interesting that his coach could not manage his own self to avoid “dehydration”. That’s intensity without balance….not exactly the stuff of role models.

Run Lindsay Run!

by ausdawg85 on Dec 7, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Most guys just put a towel over their head right?

Or at the least keep their face in their hands.

Then again, with obstructions such as towels and hands, it’s hard to have the image of yourself pasted all over creation.

On a side note, the man in this video does not look like he’s crying about a football game. That looks like a man who has a) Just delivered his own newborn child and is astonished by the beauty of fatherhood or b) Dropped his beloved poodle “Riley” into the meat grinder on a tour of the Oscar Mayer factory.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 7, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s part of his compulsion to be “the best little boy in the world” (that’s a term of art, btw). I’m just sayin’.

by NCT on Dec 7, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're the Orange Bowl.

You have to give a bid to a Georgia Tech team that lost to a crappy Georgia team in their last regular season game. Their fans are notoriously bad travellers. You could really use some caché in the game. So your obvious selection from the at-large pool is…Iowa?

by Biggus Rickus on Dec 7, 2009 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

Apparently the Iowa fans travel well

I would, too. If I lived in Iowa I’d jump on an excuse to head for south Florida in January.

Their other options were Penn State, Boise State, and Cincinnati. And maybe BYU. And Iowa beat Penn State pretty handily.

by CraigT on Dec 7, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

It’s to the Orange Bowl’s credit that they chose Iowa, which clearly had the superior resume to Penn State, even though the Nittany Lions have greater name recognition.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 7, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed about choosing Iowa over Penn State

However, does anyone really think that Iowa can keep this game within 30 points? I mean they do play a little defense, but that offense is just atrocious. Georgia Tech has shown to be fairly unstoppable on offense this year and I don’t see that changing with a month of preparation for Paul Johnson. I think the better matchup from a fan’s perspective is GA Tech/Cincinatti. I’d like to see what the opening over/under in Vegas for that game would be.

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by AuditDawg on Dec 7, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Iowa can play defense ...

and given a month to scheme, a lot of coaches can come up with a way to stop Tech’s offense. And as we showed, if you control the ball against them, you’ve gone a long way toward stopping them.

I mean, Les Freakin’ Miles managed to do it. How hard can it be?

by RJohn on Dec 7, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood

My point is that even if Iowa holds Tech to its season low output (17 points against Miami), do you honestly believe that the Iowa offense can score 18 points? I sure don’t. Just looks like another boring BCS matchup where one team will never really be in the game.

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by AuditDawg on Dec 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

What killed Tech in the Peach Bowl

was special teams turnovers. It put the team in a huge hole they weren’t able to dig out of. Offensively the two teams were within twenty or so yards of each other.

I admit I didn’t watch much of the second half, choosing to watch the paper airplane contest instead, but I checked the numbers later.

by CraigT on Dec 7, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad I’m not the only one who thinks Les Miles is a freaking moron

by miketag on Dec 7, 2009 5:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think so

I’m glad the Fiesta Bowl snagged TCU first, which left the Big 10 team for the Orange Bowl. If the Fiesta had taken Iowa, then TCU would probably be in the Orange Bowl.

Tech’s offense did do poorly against Miami, but it was both a time of possession issue and the third game in twelve days (and second Thursday in a row).

TCU and Boise State are playing mostly because the Fiesta Bowl chose TCU ahead of Iowa/Penn State, Cincinnati, and Boise State (and the Sugar chose Florida, but, really that wasn’t going to change). They also chose Boise State over Cincinnati.

The Orange Bowl could have chosen Boise State over Iowa, but that’s a long haul for a team with about fifteen minutes of football history and no national fan base.

by CraigT on Dec 7, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

About Tebow crying

That was pretty much the story of the postseason…more than our UGA defensive staff getting fired. I admire his talent and no doubt that he is one of the greatest football players in college football history, but to see him bawling like a 2 year old? That shows a little bit of entitlement there. Football is both winning and losing, and it would have been any game on their schedule this year that they would lose one game. I didn’t really care if Alabama won, but to see this photo was pretty much something I didn’t expect from a highly regarded football player.

by thefirstgenesis on Dec 7, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Why not!?

He’s cried like a 5-year-old whose dog just died after every single loss in his collegiate career. It’s not only a sense of entitlement, but also a level of histrionics that I have never seen in college football.

Sic 'em Dawgs

by ClassicCityDawg on Dec 7, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow crying

In his tears, he’s ignoring the advice offered in the Bible passage so humbly and reverentially smeared on his face:

I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.

Or maybe he misunderstood it, and he actually thought he was supposed to overcome the world, instead of Someone else’s having done it for him.

by NCT on Dec 7, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

To borrow a phrase:

There is no crying in Football!!!!!!!!

"Never refuse to do a kindness unless the act would work great injury to yourself, and never refuse to take a drink- under any circumstances." Mark Twain

by podunkdawg on Dec 7, 2009 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

THIS
(For the record, I received a B.A. from the University of Georgia in 1990 and a J.D. from the University of Georgia in 1997. My resume and references are available upon request.)

May be the funniest thing you’ve written this year.

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch

by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 7, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, this whole article

was sardonic, and darkly, morbidly funny. Good job.

"Hollywood made a movie of my life. The film had me proposing to my wife on the football field. I would never misuse a football field that way." -Crazy Legs Hirsch

by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 7, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

YOU'RE WELCOME!

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Dec 7, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Dec 7, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way...

South Carolina went undefeated in 1907 with a record of 3-0. Strom Thurmond was a redshirt Senior (Right) Wing back…

Florida went 3-0-1 in 1911. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

This has been best week of football this year!

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."

Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Dec 7, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

Independence Bowl

Shreveport… ROFLMAO!

Well, at least you can probably have a nice “dawg lunch” at the Cracker Barrel with a pecan log for dessert!

by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 7, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Four in a row.

Just sayin’.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."

Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Dec 7, 2009 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That’s what makes it so pathetic / fun: You win, and you still go to Shreveport!

by Auburn '07 in Manhattan on Dec 7, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I forgot how intelligent Auburn fans are

by acie4mvp on Dec 7, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what...

Let’s play hide and go f*ck yourself.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."

Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Dec 7, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah . . .

. . . and our athletic director will still have money left over to pay a new defensive coordinator, while yours is eating the cost of Auburn’s Outback Bowl ticket allotment out of fear that the Plainsmen might have met up in the Independence Bowl with Iowa State, the old team of his secondary-violating new head coach, had the natural bowl order been followed.

The Outback Bowl has always been the class clown of the conference bowl tie-ins. We’re mad with 7-5, and we’re playing an historic Big 12 program in Texas A&M. You’re thrilled with 7-5, and you’re playing an also-ran Big Ten program that hasn’t won a bowl game since the Truman administration. Are you really going to give us grief because Tampa is such a great place to be in January and you’re that proud to be attending a bowl game that has ten fewer years of history than the Independence Bowl?

Please. Fear the thumb!

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 7, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Because your bowl selection wasn’t a crock of shit to begin with.

I’ve never seen an opposing fan base rag on us for our bowl destination after losing to us in that very same season.

Wait, yes I have… that is Tech behavior to a tee!

Four in a row, son.

by get swoll yunel on Dec 8, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

congrats on your moral victories against UGA and Bama

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. ~ Albert Einstein

by tankertoad on Dec 7, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Make that Four moral victories in a row...

I think Erk Russell could have kicked Clint Eastwood and John Wayne's butts with a corn cob and one hand tied behind his back. GATA!

by AeroDawg on Dec 7, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding Tebow's Crying

Am I off base in thinking that his crying is largely due to a lack of maturity? I know he’s mature when it comes to faith, family and civic involvement. However, most men experience something between the ages of 15-20 that Tim probably hasn’t experienced. After a man experiences that, he begins to look at the world differently. I’m not saying that it’s a bad thing that he is lacking this experience, but I think it has a lot to do with the crying. I think back to when I played football. Now, I played at Parkview in the late 90’s so there wasn’t much disappointment (couldn’t resist), but the last time I remember crying after a loss was when my team lost to Brookwood in the 8th grade. I didn’t cry in highschool or college football. I don’t think Tim cares more about his team than I did mine. I truly think he has some growing up to do. Sorry for being long winded. For the record, I believe Tim Tebow is a great kid doing great things. He will most certainly succeed in whatever he does after college. Again, I may be WAY off base and I’m open to critisism.

by RealisticDawg on Dec 7, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions  

OPEN TO CRITISISM EXCEPT...

from Auburn ’07 in Manhattan. Your degree is worthless. I too HATE Auburn.

by RealisticDawg on Dec 7, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow's tears

UF got beat by a better team last Saturday. They were outplayed and outcoached and Tebow felt like he had let a lot of people down. If anyone says that they have never seen college players cry after a major loss, they have never watched much football. Tebow’s behaviour was not an anomaly and not a sign of weakness but some will take their shots anyway.

by renegator on Dec 7, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, But...

That was uncontrolable sobbing. I’ve seen players cry after losses, but not like that. I’m not taking shots, just trying to understand. I have seen players lose it in the locker room, but not on the field.

by RealisticDawg on Dec 7, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sobbing

Crying on the football field is a huge taboo. It may be Tim’s only perceived weakness and I think that is the point for most detractors. A smart man would spend some time in prayer asking for a young man like Tebow to come to their team, community or family. I’d give up a few bucks to have another like him show up next year, tears and all.

by renegator on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

well, i am NOT a football player by any stretch of the imagination...

but i am a runner. and there are some similarities in the way you put yourself into a mindset to undertake the athletic challenge. for all the fun that is made of his in-game histronics, one of tebow’s assets has been his intensity and focus. i i can tell you, putting all your physical, mental and emotional chips on the table like that can be devastating if you lose.

i have run several marathons that have taken a devastating toll on me and, at a point near the end, i was almost overcome by an urge to simply break down in tears. on one occasion, after just finishing a race, it took so much to quell the impulse that i almost collapsed.

i don’t know if this is a comparable situation with what happened to tebow on saturday but i do know the forces at work on somebody emotions after going through a physical ordeal like that are intense. and it is almost impossible to evaluate that without a similar level of experience with the situation.

Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.

by kleph on Dec 7, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He looks...

…like he’s trying to squeeze out a holy fart in that pic…

by allhailcale on Dec 8, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you imagine

Little Tim in his first NFL camp………….

by JRL on Dec 7, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

there is nothing wrong with a man crying

there is something wrong with putting said man on a pedestal for his physical accomplishments, then questioning said pedestal for him acting human.

There is also something wrong that Tebow thought this was a “on me” sport versus a team sport. He carried too much on himself, and his coach, the team, and the media should be made to cry by public flogging for allowing him to carry so much weight.

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. ~ Albert Einstein

by tankertoad on Dec 7, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

I have no problem with Tebow crying. If I had worked towards a goal for a year and then came up short, I’d be pretty disappointed also.

by miketag on Dec 9, 2009 4:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

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