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Many Crimson Tide fans are celebrating tonight as Mark Ingram has brought home the school's first Heisman Trophy.

Those same fans now are much more likely to be crying a week after New Year's Day, as Ingram now is at the center of a whirlwind media blitz that will include interviews, David Letterman top ten lists . . . and becoming motivational fodder for Will Muschamp's defense ("He took Colt's Heisman Trophy! Are you going to stand for that?!?! Boom!").

What Ingram won't be doing is that whole, you know, getting ready to play a football game thing. I mean, he's the Heisman Trophy winner; he just has to show up and he'll be great in the bowl game . . . right?

My condolences go out to Alabama. Tonight, they won the battle, but it may cost them the war.

Go 'Dawgs!

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And he CRIED!

And why shouldn’t he? Just like Tebow did after the Bama game. Ingram won’t catch grief like Tebow did, and he shouldn’t___just like Tim shouldn’t have.

by Jujdog on Dec 12, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

Because that's completely different

Ingram cried because he had just won something that made him and everyone close to him proud.

Tebow cried because he lost.

One is ok. One is not. Any man that doesn’t wear form-fitting jeans knows which one it is.

by georgiadawg85 on Dec 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

IMHO

There are 5 times when it is acceptable for a man to cry (in order from most to least acceptable):

1) Intense physical pain…crying is usually accompanied by masculine screaming (in my case having a finger removed by a steel door).

2) The birth of your child

3) The death of your child, spouse, parent, or sibling.

4) Achieving something you have worked your entire life for (Ingram, being the first in your family to graduate college, etc.)

5) The last 5 minutes of Rudy

I can think of no other acceptable circumstances.

I didn’t begrudge Tebow the tears when he won the Heisman or even the MNC. I probably would’ve let it slide if the BAMA game was the first time he cried. But its old hat at this point.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 12, 2009 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

For a second,

I thought you were going to leave off Rudy….

Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina

by The Feathered Warrior on Dec 12, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Never...

I was also thinking it might possibly extend to the loss of a beloved pet… especially if that pet is punted off a bridge by an angry motorcyclist that you’ve inadvertently assaulted with a hot burrito.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 12, 2009 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You had me until "Rudy"

If you want to substitute “Old Yeller,” fine. I’ll even give you “Brian’s Song” (the original James Caan/Billy Dee Williams version) or “Field of Dreams,” but “Rudy”?!?!

Daniel Ruettiger is a shameless self-promoter who transformed something perfectly ordinary—-a walk-on getting into a game (it happens literally every Saturday of the fall in dozens of college football stadiums across the country)—-into something weepy and sappy.

The movie “Rudy” wasn’t made because some Hollywood producer stumbled across this hidden gem of a story; from the time he graduated from Notre Dame, Ruettiger did everything he could to pimp his own story to filmmakers. The only thing about his story that ought to make a grown man cry is the fact that none of us have managed to make a mint off of our own equally inspirational ordinary life stories.

I hate “Rudy.”

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 12, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yea, that and he's a damn hobbit

"Why are we in shotgun on 3rd and 3 against the blitz?" - me

by tankertoad on Dec 12, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Lord of the Rings castmembers, I nominate Orlando Bloom to play the lead in the inevitable Tim Tebow movie. If you don't believe he's perfect for the role, watch him cry in "Elizabethtown". He was literally born for the part.

I nominate Orlando Bloom to play the lead in the inevitable Tim Tebow movie.

If you don’t believe he’s perfect for the role, watch him cry in “Elizabethtown”. He was literally born for the part.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 12, 2009 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wow

That was certainly a disaster possible only on a phone keyboard.

I’m just gonna play it off like I REALLY believe he’d be perfect for it.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 12, 2009 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Feel free to substitute any weepy guy movie of your choice...

We Are Marshall works although I wanna punch McConaughey in the face in that movie to knock that stupid look off his face.

The Blind Side also comes close (although the book got to me more than the movie).
As a matter of fact, Kyle, you can cry at anything you want without fear of mockery…after the Erk Russell nomination you get a permanent pass on just about everything in my book.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 12, 2009 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And on top of that, you've verbally eviscerated the only thing I've ever liked about Notre Dame...

I feel so liberated.

After you get Erk into the HOF, we should lobby to have your post above replace the current description on the back of the Rudy DVD.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 12, 2009 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Didn’t the film feature a Tech loss? The film has merit for that, at least.

by NCT on Dec 13, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

That joke amused me like hot butter through a nerd

When Georgia Tech played Notre Dame again three or four years ago, the Yellow Jacket faithful donned T-shirts reading “Rudy Was Offsides.” I have to give credit where credit is due . . . for any fan base that doesn’t know to regard “The M-Train” as a source of utter embarrassment, that’s a pretty good line.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 13, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

How about

The last 5 minutes of “Field of Dreams?”

I cried like a stuck Tebow…as my date literally walked out of the theater.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."

Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Dec 13, 2009 8:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No, I'll give you "Field of Dreams"

As a boy, I went to major league baseball games with my father, and, as a father, I have gone to major league baseball games with my son. Lewis Grizzard once wrote that, when a father takes his son to a major league baseball game, it creates a bond between them that won’t be easily broken, even in the face of subsequent separations such as death and divorce. Given Lewis’s strained relationship with his own father, that’s a pretty strong statement.

If “Field of Dreams” got to you, you’re all right.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 13, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

More bad news for the Tide...

… during the BCS era, the Heisman Trophy winner has played in the national championship game 7 previous times. During that time, the Heisman winner’s record is 1-6. The only winner was Matt Leinart in 2004.

by vineyarddawg on Dec 12, 2009 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

how many of those were RB's...

only 1…

"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban

by bammer on Dec 14, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

...whose team subsequently lost

Granted, it took a Herculean effort from Vince Young, but the RB winner received the same fate as all but one Heisman winner in the BCS NCG.

http://hobnailboot.wordpress.com/

by AuditDawg on Dec 14, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

the only thing i can say is this...

Ingram isn’t our team. He’s obviously our go to guy, but we have other backs who can fill the role. Will they do as good a job? Probably not. Ingram is a special player with an amazing skill set. But if there is a position or a team that can overcome one players struggles, its alabama.

"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban

by bammer on Dec 14, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You're assuming that normal rules apply

They don’t. Winning the Heisman is bad magic, dude. All of your logic will be dismayed. Your beloved Tide’s overwhelming skill and coaching is now pitted not only against Mack Brown’s Cows but also against the fickle and petty fates who are the gatekeepers to the promised land. It doesn’t matter that Ingram is but one member of a dominant squad – the curse is on the ship, not the sailors.

Seriously.

by first and thom on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like

to me you have been jaded in your past…would you like to talk and get it out into the open?

"The goal is to be a champion," Saban said. "I didn’t say to win a championship. I just said be a champion. That’s our goal here. That’s what we want to do."- Nick Saban

by bammer on Dec 15, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Surely the 1983 Sugar Bowl isn’t haunting us.

by NCT on Dec 16, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

If Greg McElroy, Trent Richardson, and Julio Jones sll won the Heisman then I’d be worried. I think Saban will have everyone ready

by miketag on Dec 12, 2009 10:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Under those circumstances, I'm sure in exchange for Kirby Smart...

Richt would be willing to loan Saban a replacement ginger QB and a superior WR for one game.

"I Run This State." - Washaun Ealey and Caleb King

by RedCrake on Dec 12, 2009 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope so . . .

. . . but there’s only so much he can insulate Ingram from the hype, and there’s absolutely nothing he can do about the enormous motivational advantage the Heisman Trophy voters just handed to the Texas Longhorns.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 12, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Bulletin board motivational material is overrated.

Also all the extraneous stuff he is doing now in relation to the award won’t detract from his bowl preparations because practices don’t resume until 12/19 anyway.

by Paranormal on Dec 13, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe so . . .

. . . but the track record of Heisman Trophy winners in the postseason is undeniable. Something is making all these top-shelf players come up short in bowl games. I think my explanation (a combination of media distractions and opponents’ motivation) makes sense, but, even if I’ve missed the real reason entirely, history says what it says.

I’m rooting for Alabama and I think the Crimson Tide clearly are a better team than Texas. If Colt McCoy had won the Heisman, a ‘Bama victory would have been a mortal lock. Now, I’m not so sure.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 13, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

between that and texas' record against alabama...

perhaps we shouldn’t even show up in pasadena? oh wait, there’s our 5-2-1 record in the venue. OH HISTORY! TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

Roll 'Bama Roll: The Champagne of 'Bama Blogs.

by kleph on Dec 14, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting source of error here...

…T Kyle, the “something” that makes those players come up short is a fascinating question.

If, on the one hand, the bowl game are important data points in determining who is the most outstanding player in college football, then we should certainly start awarding the stiff arm trophy after the bowl game. (This is my position).

However, on the other hand, if the trophy is itself the medium of some malevolent force and causes bad performances, then waiting to give the award serves little purpose. Waiting will only allow the leading candidate at the end of the season to continue his dominance, and we will be comfortably confimed that the leader deserved the award all along. Moreover, by refusing to award the Heisman, we grant a stay of execution to a team – usually a team playing for what a lot people consider to be all (or at least a lion’s share of) the marbles. Awarding the Heisman may unfairly hurt the unfortunate winner’s team (e.g., this year’s Tide), but wouldn’t delaying the award thus unfairly help them?

These are powerful forces with which I tremble to interfere.

by first and thom on Dec 14, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I think there's some truth to that

I remember Troy Smith claiming that he wasn’t in the best shape going into the BCS NCG against Florida in 2007 because he “was on the buffet circuit” during the whirlwind that follows winning the Heisman. That’s not to say that Nick Saban won’t have Ingram ready to go, but there are a ton of distractions that wouldn’t be encountered otherwise.

http://hobnailboot.wordpress.com/

by AuditDawg on Dec 14, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But how many of those title games Heisman winners lost were really upsets?

I guess the 2006 title game is the shining example although the hype preceding that game disrespected Texas in many other ways. USC was being called the greatest team ever going into that game even though their defense sucked.

The 2007 Ohio v. Florida title game was called an upset but probably shouldn’t have been.

The other Heisman defeats this decade were to better teams.

And if you look back to the 1990’s, Charles Woodson’s Michigan team won the Rose Bowl to claim a share of the national title. Danny Wuerffel’s 1996 Gator team throttled Florida state in the Sugar Bowl to take the title after losing to the Seminoles in the regular season. Charlie Ward’s Florida State team beat Nebraska in the Orange Bowl to win the title. Only Gino Toretta laid an egg in the national title game (to Alabama), but that Miami team didn’t need a Heisman trophy to make them overconfident.

by Paranormal on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

the bottom line is...

Tim Tebow has cried after EVERY SINGLE LOSS in his collegiate career. I’m sorry, but I’m just not going to let that slide. As somebody already said, if it had been ONCE, it would be one thing. But it is EVERY TIME. He has the emotional toughness of Terrell Owens.

by georgiadawg85 on Dec 12, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Precisely

If you cry when you’re happy and you cry when you’re sad and you cry every time in between, maybe you’re just a crybaby.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Dec 13, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

There is a new evaluation tool at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis this year...

it’s called the Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhnderlic test.

It measures TPD (Tears per Defeat). Methinks Tebow might be in trouble.

"If we score, we may win. If they never score, we'll never lose."

Erk Russell

by DavetheDawg on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's another good question...

… or, well, a question, at least. Why wasn’t Georgia’s lone surviving Heisman winner, one (hand over your heart) Herschel Walker, onstage tonight?

I know Herschel has been training and getting ready for a debut in UFC. Since all of the previous Heisman winners are recognized onstage immediately before this year’s winner is announced, It would seem like a pretty inexpensive PR move for Herschel to be present.

Either way, though, I would like for Georgia to be represented in that lineup… and it’s not like it’s a major time investment. You have to be in New York one night out of the whole year, and it’s a great annual recognition for the University and for yourself to be present. Why would you not be there?

by vineyarddawg on Dec 13, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

My three guesses. . .

(1) Zaxby’s commercial shoot ran long.
(2) After experience on Celebrity Apprentice has no desire to set foot in New York City ever again.
(3) Read Kyle’s thoughts on the matter and now, too, hates the Heisman Trophy.

by College Buddy on Dec 13, 2009 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

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