Just fire everybody... yeah, that'll fix everything
I understand... you're upset. You're incredibly frustrated, upset... and mad. It's a natural feeling... the second step in the grieving process... just after denial and isolation, and just before bargaining. After we get 51-7'ed by Tech and you have a week or two to get over that anger process, the "bargaining" phase will begin. You'll say to yourself, "Well, if we can win the Music City/Independence/Liberty Bowl and get things turned around next year, maybe things won't be so bad." Or, "If we just fire everybody on the staff and start from scratch, maybe things won't be so bad."
Also, let me be clear... I feel, like virtually everyone else, that change must be made. This Saturday is the first game I've ever witnessed in the Mark Richt era where we've gone into a game and I've felt that we have absolutely zero chance to win. This, obviously, is completely unacceptable.
The question is which changes should be made. When you're losing, all the fans who think they know everything come out of the woodwork and want to fire both the offensive and defensive coordinators, every position coach, and some geniuses even want to fire the head coach. Well, forgive my bluntness, but get your damn head on straight, people, before you barrage the internets with your ignorance. (Either that, or go and comment on a Jeff Schultz or Bill King column on AJC.com.)
First of all, no one will argue that Willie Martinez must be replaced as the defensive coordinator. Our defense's average PPG has gone up every year since he's been here, and no matter how many times we give the other team a short field, the defense simply can't use that as a crutch when they drive and score a touchdown every time (as Kentucky did). Kentucky had no field goals all game... every time they were in scoring position, they scored a touchdown. Allowing more than 30 points in even 1 game in a season isn't really acceptable... allowing it a dozen times in 3 years means you lose your job. I'm sure Willie is a great guy, and it seems like many of the "insiders" I've heard lately think he really is a good secondary coach, but the bottom line is that in major college football, this is a results-oriented business. CWM's results have sucked out loud, and he's going to have to answer for them.
Second, the fact that Joe Cox sucks is incredibly inconsistent is not a reason to replace Mike Bobo as offensive coordinator/QB coach. For the record, that bootleg play that many people have lambasted worked the first 2 times he called it, didn't work the third time, and the fourth time there was an open Tavarres King ready for a touchdown run if Joe Cox puts it in the right place (which he didn't). Mike Bobo has also coached David Greene and D.J. Shockley, and it makes me laugh when people say he wasted Matthew Stafford's talent.
Stafford was a cocky kid who relied 100% on his talent, and Mike Bobo built up the kid's fundamentals, footwork, and judgement. I mean, look at his progression from a freshman to a junior. Yes, he still made a bad judgement call every couple of games and threw a pick 6, but he was able to find more open receivers... his footwork was much better, resulting in better, more accurate throws... Mike Bobo made Matthew Stafford better. The fact that Stafford continued to rely on strictly his talent sometimes instead of what he was taught isn't Mike Bobo's fault. Finally, Bobo runs almost exactly the same plays Richt would if he were calling the plays. If you're going to fire Bobo, you might as well fire Richt, because he isn't going to bring in anyone who will run a substantially different offensive scheme.
Finally, to wrap all this up, Mark Richt knows better than anyone else that the complete turnover and upheaval of a staff is one of the top factors that can truly bring a great program (and, more importantly to him, a great coach) down. He's seen his friend Tommy Tuberville at Auburn have stability for a while, and then replace both his offensive and defensive coordinators following a bad season, and then get fired himself the next year. He's seen his mentor, Bobby Bowden, lose his best offensive and defensive coordinator (himself and Chuck Amato), and then get sent into a death spiral from which he certainly will never recover. He will not replace everyone except himself... mark it down in pen and chisel it into a stone tablet... as long as he is the coach at Georgia, it will never happen.
I see poor mistakes on the offense, but those mistakes are bad judgement from the quarterback and not knowing what the plays are as a freshman running back... those aren't lapses in coaching. I see poor mistakes on the defense, and those mistakes are a senior not knowing where the hell to run... not adjusting your own schemes when the offense adjusts theirs, and not tackling in a fundamentally sound way. These mistakes are at least 90% attributable to coaching, and they have been consistently seen over multiple years since our current defensive coordinator took charge.
We need a new defensive coordinator. We need a full-time special teams coach. And, since that new DC will probably not be Rodney Garner, we need a new recruiting coordinator. I don't know who would make a good ST coach (although I know it's not Fabris), but I think the new DC could be Dick Bumpas, and the new RC could be Ron Zook (he'll be available at the end of this season). I mean, we're Georgia, dammit. We should go after people who are the best in their fields.
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Can we get someone to check driver's licenses while we are at it?
by tankertoad on Nov 22, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CMR isn't going to be fired...
but my faith that he’s going to turn this ship around is failing. Ultimately the head coach is responsible for this mess. He’s paid millions of dollars. If he’s forced to make changes he should have made years ago why am I supposed to believe he can turn things around?
by mdhenshaw on Nov 22, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don’t know about years ago, but certainly a year ago. It was very clear at the end of last season that Willie Martinez needed to be relieved, but CMR blamed their relaxed practice regimen and put his faith in him for another season.
I don’t know if anyone else saw this during the offseason, but I also saw the report (unconfirmed rumor) that the defensive personnel were not putting in the time in the weight room that the offensive personnel were putting in during “voluntary” summer workouts. The rumor was vehemently denied by coaches (which is funny, since they’re not allowed to be there) and players… but it makes one wonder about the discipline instilled by this defensive coaching regime. Laziness is contagious. If one player is allowed to get away with it, others will slack off, and it quickly becomes a disease that can be difficult to recover from. No one other than the players themselves can say for sure whether or not the defense was hitting the weight room and working their butts off in the summer. One thing you can’t hide, though, is how it translates to on-field performance… and in that category, our shortfalls have been clear and incontrovertible.
Either way, CMR must understand that if he puts his faith in Willie again for one more year, it’s not just Willie’s fate that he’ll be sealing… it’s quite possibly his own, too.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 22, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this comment is wrong
“Finally, Bobo runs almost exactly the same plays Richt would if he were calling the plays. If you’re going to fire Bobo, you might as well fire Richt, because he isn’t going to bring in anyone who will run a substantially different offensive scheme.”
If that is true I find it very concerning. Either Richt is much less talented that I thought or Bobo is much better. I don’t believe the OC or DC should be cut from the same cloth as the HC. There will be no “out of the box” thinking or philosophical challenges on how to run the offense or defense. If that statement is true then both need to go because the offense has not been good this year. Cox making bad decisions occasionally is his fault, perpetually and him still starting is the coaches fault. Either adjust the offensive scheme to make it easier on Cox or bench him and start planning for next year.
We’ll see what king of coach Richt is by the moves he makes in the off season.
by mwalex on Nov 22, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Someone who is not a Georgia fan...
or a football fan for that matter, posted this on Facebook. I thought it relevant.
The way I have been putting it…the old tennis quote, “Always change a losing game. Never change a winning game.”
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by opsomath on Nov 22, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, it's not that easy
I believe “never change a winning game” is a perfect description of the malaise that currently grips this program. The Georgia coaching staff is doing exactly the same things it did for eight years, which yielded tremendous success for the first four years and intermittent success for the next four years, but which is not working now.
Change is a constant reality of sports. “Never change a winning game” is an invitation to complacency based upon the erroneous assumption that what has worked in the past will continue to work in the future. That is no more true from season to season than it is from snap to snap, when a play that worked in the first quarter likely will be adjusted to and stopped in the fourth quarter.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 22, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Death spiral
Welcome to it.
Richt will retain Martinez, citing things ranging from offensive turnovers to injuries to a tough schedule to the alignment of the planets. No changes will be made to special teams, because the fans just don’t get it.
Next year, none of this will work again, and Evans will fire Richt in the offseason.
Happy to be proven wrong.
by D.N. Nation on Nov 22, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it is a sign of how sick I am of Richt’s cronyism, but I actually see that as a possibility.
And with next year’s schedule, we could easily have the same lackluster performance but come out 8-4 or even 9-3 (losing to Florida, Tennessee, Ga Tech, and possibly one other bedwetting). And after a 6-6 or 6-7 season, 8-4/9-3 will be “improvement.”
by Muckbeast on Nov 23, 2009 5:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reality will likely fall somewhere in the middle
No way CMR makes wholesale changes. Willie and Bobo stay. But there will likely be some changes in the other supporting staff…say 1 forced by CMR/Evans, and 1 or 2 voluntarily (other jobs, writing on the wall, etc.).
We are LOADED with talent, so an UGA team that does stop the penalties, win the turnover battles, and gets their MOJO back could/should go 9 – 3 at worst (but probably 10 – 2 at best). And that will be improvement over the current “death spiral” (a view I agree with, btw). The $$ slowdown will be credited more to the economy…it would happen anyway…so Evans is not going to over-react to alumni noise…yet. CMR will thus have 2 years of building. A lot can happen, but this crew of youngsters will then be Jr’s and Sr’s. If the above plays out, we’ll be in the national conversation again for sure in 2011. And THAT will finally show us if CMR has really made the adjustments.
Run Lindsay Run!
by ausdawg85 on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We were loaded with talent last year!!
UGA was the preseason #1 team and lost three games. Count em, three games!! Do we think the team next year will be better than last year? No way. There is no way the QB next year is going to be as good as Stafford. The combo of King and Ealy are not producting like Moreno. Will our defense be better next year? No way!!
The only reason we will be better next year is if the SEC East collapses in on itself.
by mwalex on Nov 23, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, mwalex, Fla will NOT be as strong next year, although they still
will be good. SC will still be SC, Vandy will be no better, and Ky will likely not be any better. So that leaves UT, who probably will be better, but not unbeatable and certainly not dominating. UGA plays a MUCH softer OOC schedule and stands to win 8 or more games by default. That is why, I believe, if UGA beats Tech, and I believe we will, that no change will be made and the record will shoot back up to 8+ wins, without a SEC championhip in the foreseeable future.
by Jujdog on Nov 23, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would like your breakdown of how we beat tech - data, schemes, the works
by tankertoad on Nov 23, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not my job, 'toad.
Just not that impressed by Tech winning the basketball’s league’s division championship. They give up tons of points__just like UGA__but opponents not as strong as UGA’s. Gave up more than 30 to Vandy__now that’s STRONG!
by Jujdog on Nov 23, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll look at this more later . . .
but honestly jujdog makes a good point. Raise your hands who was that impressed by Tech’s come from behind overtime victory over Wake Forest. Granted, they looked pretty good against Va Tech, and beat Duke. But that doesn’t convince me that they’re a top 10 team any year but this one. They deserve credit for being a top 10 team, but this is not 2005-06 Texas we’re talking about here.
by MaconDawg on Nov 24, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wins by default?
I remember taking that same concept into the Kentucky game this year, and that didn’t work out too well. Winning games by default is not something we can count on. That’s the difference between us and Alabama or Florida. They don’t treat their schedules that way. How’s that working out for them? Oh yeah, they’re both undefeated. I think it would benefit us (the team/program, not just the fanbase) not to view games as wins by default, and play them all to win. That assumption bit us in the rear this past weekend, so I don’t think it’s going to help us any next year.
by marktheshark on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your points are valid
but playing well against a weaker schedule does not make for a better team. Especially when bowl games roll around. Keep in mind our QB situation for next year and that lack of experience we’ll be looking at for the starter.
In addition to that, if Martinez is the DC UGA’s defense will still suck, regardless of whom the opponent might be.
by mwalex on Nov 24, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Post out of place
Was a response to Jujdog
by mwalex on Nov 24, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Brian van Gorder
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 23, 2009 2:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm a diehard of both the Dawgs and the Falcons, and
it looks like the Peter Principle applies to him as well as to Willie.
The Falcons defense yesterday against the New Jersey Giants was awful.
by mcboyt on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s really a personnel thing with the Falcons right now… We have no secondary. His defenses in the first half of the decade with UGA were stout, consistently top 10 defenses, but he also had elite players to work with (as does WM, who does nothing with them but allow 15 yd runs on 3rd down).
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Robert Downey Sr. on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it did work, at least on a short term basis, less than
a decade ago. On another note, I certainly am not an optimist, having predicted 6-6 for this team well before the first game. (I did think we’d beat Okla State but lose to Auburn or South Carolina). Surprisingly, I suppose I now think we have a decent chance to beat Tech and surpass my expectations. Granted, if Rambo were available, the chance would be greater__I’d rather have him back than just A.J.__because Evans has proved he is worth at least 10 points a game to the opposition. IF the Dawgs D can play like they did against Auburn and the first half of the Kentucky game and IF the coaches don’t call for any short pass plays, then we have a decent chance. Otherwise, my prediction will prove correct for the year.
by Jujdog on Nov 23, 2009 7:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trying to figure out that Bowden line
Mickey Andrews has been at FSU as DC from 1984 until the end of this season. Amato was never a defensive coordinator at FSU. His only stints as anything more than a position coach were his days as head coach at NC State and an earlier stint at the same school as a DC for the last few years of the 70s. Chuck Amato is a terrible football coach.
No, Bowden’s problem has been his loyalty to bad assistants. Amato is terrible. Jody Allen is terrible. His own son may have been the worst offensive coordinator in history. FSU could easily recover if they got rid of the dead weight. Jimbo Fisher has been an amazing hire to date. That offense is scary.
Bad assistants have tanked that program. Andrews is a legend, but he’s not going to put a good defense on the field when two of his position coaches are demonstrably terrible.
by OrangeBritches on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
More thoughts
Just thinking of a few other examples. Tuberville tanked because of his loyalty to his old guard of assistants. He allowed them to undermine Franklin constantly and then when Franklin was fired, he ran out an even worse OC from his old guard. That was the biggest issue there.
Tommy Bowden rode the Rob Spence train straight into the ground too.
by OrangeBritches on Nov 23, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't know...
… Tuberville seemed to be doing pretty well against Alabama for 5 years in a row… and in 2004.
The real irony to me is that Tuberville used to be one of the examples of a loud-mouthed coach, slick-haired coach that you could hate in the SEC. (Not to the level of Spurrier, but man, that dude could tick you off… well, me, at least.) Tuberville hasn’t changed, but now the world has shifted so far that he actually appears to be one of the “good guys” now… one of the more moderate voices.
Maybe that’s why I’m getting so jaded… I see people like Saban and Meyer succeed in a sleazy way and hear people saying that Georgia should follow that pattern. Georgia should never follow the Saban/Meyer template. Georgia should follow the Butts/Dooley/Richt template… being honest, hard-working, and doing things the right way. It is possible to consistently win and not be a jerk, and Coach Richt has proven that.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 23, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Richt needs to follow the Tom Osborne template.
I could do without the 6-6/7-5 seasons.
by get swoll yunel on Nov 23, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Richt has to go!
No one really wants to go there but this team and program has gotten and infection and it has run through most every facet of the game. Once that happens the system has to be purged. The infections: penalties, lack of discipline, work effort, and lack of intensity are going to be healed or removed with a couple of large band-aids. This train has gotten off track, down a ditch and in a river. This program has found itself return to a laughing stock in record time. No season tickets for me again until real “treatment and cure” is underway.
by SC-DAWG on Nov 23, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No season tickets anymore?
Well, then don’t let the door hit you in the pooper on the way out.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 23, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fool and his money soon part.
This goes for you and for the University and the State when you put more money into something that isn’t returning. Money is too tight to spend on options that don’t respect the investment. Maybe it won’t hit CWM, or CMR on the way out if we’re lucky (which we’re not).
by SC-DAWG on Nov 23, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I meant AREN’T going to be solved with a couple of large band-aids (firing the DC, OC, or both and hiring a STC). In too much of a hurry.
by SC-DAWG on Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately i think the team has lost focus and become soft
The fault goes across the coaching board on that. The Problem is I don’t think CMR is “mean” enough or innovative enough to do anything about it. i.e: Fire Willie Martinez and hire a full-time ST coach.
Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.
I Corinthians 9:24
by Southern Dawg on Nov 23, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather keep Richt
but what if we could hire Brian Kelly? Who would you rather have?
by acie4mvp on Nov 23, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Mark Richt with staff changes . . .
. . . than any other coach on the planet.
However, the “with staff changes” caveat is a new addition upon which I had not previously insisted, so clearly the coach’s support has eroded, even if it has gone down only from 100 per cent to 90 per cent.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 23, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fool and his money soon part.
This goes for you and for the University and the State when you put more money into something that isn’t returning. Money is too tight to spend on options that don’t respect the investment. Maybe it won’t hit CWM, or CMR on the way out if we’re lucky (which we’re not).
by SC-DAWG on Nov 23, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One among you give this man . . .
a ring with “45-42” proudly emblazoned on it, since he must show a profit for his college football allegiance.
by MaconDawg on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Needed Changes
Dawgvent says big changes ARE coming in December. The scuttle is CRM and Bobo stay, Martinez goes….replaced with Dick Bumpas or maybe Reggie Herring (Linebacker Coach, Dallas Cowboys) who has SEC ties as well as FSU history. Also, Ron Zook is being mentioned for recuriting. These would be incredible changes that would have serious impact. The bottom line is about money. If UGA is going to be one of the top programs in the nation they have got to start spreading it around.
by Curleedawg on Nov 24, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have a novel approach
I don’t care about coaches. I care about (1) honor and (2) winning. Richt has #1 in spades. I will give him another year to get back to #2.
If freeing Willie helps him get there, great. But he gets no credit for firing him if we don’t turn it around. Fire coaches, keep coaches, I don’t care. Start players, bench players, I don’t care. I’m no Jerry Jones, no Al Davis. I don’t want a head coach who hires coaches I like and plays players I like. I don’t want a coach I agree with. In fact, a coach I agree with would be as dumb as I am, which would be bad for the program.
But win with honor. If Richt can’t do it, let’s find someone who can. For me, I will wait one more year. Three off years is my limit. If we win with honor, all is forgiven. If we don’t, it’s time to go.
Let’s not treat Richt like Richt treats Bryan Evans. If he can do it, let him do it. If he can’t, let’s find someone who can.
by first and thom on Nov 24, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
State of the Union at UGA
I realize that I am a bit of a trespasser here and my opinion is probably as welcome as flock of locusts but I am moved to comment about your quandary. If there are questions about the training regimen, discipline, ability to adjust to the differing game situations etc. who is to blame? If UGA is, as you say, stacked with talent why are you not winning? I believe Coach Mark Richt is as fine and decent a man as any college coach around and I have truly admired him throughout his career. The fact remains that a fish rots from the head down. Do you think that Urban Meyer puts up with people that don’t put in their time in the weight room? How about Nick Saban? Do you call those guys “sleazy” just because they whip your ass? Paint or get off the ladder boys, you’re talking in circles.
by renegator on Nov 24, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In our defense . . .
. . . none of us is the head football coach, athletic director, or president of the University of Georgia, and it wouldn’t be prudent for any of those three men to make a public announcement of a decision prior to the end of the season. It’s entirely possible that a decision has already been made; now simply is not the time to make it widely known.
Trust me, I’m much more anxious than you are to hear the other shoe drop, but these things come in due time.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 24, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your not a tresspaser Renegator - i dont see hate like Auburn and Tech brings....
thing is, and i wish everyone got this, even if CMR was the devil and lost 2 more games this year, he is NOT going to be fired until at least 2011, and probably 2012. No amount of blogging and bitching will change this fact unless CMR decides to quit himself. The best we can hope for is an adjustment in some coaches, and to have CMR do what he does best – get hands on and get dirty.
by tankertoad on Nov 24, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reneg you make a valid point
“Do you think that Urban Meyer puts up with people that don’t put in their time in the weight room? How about Nick Saban?”
The SEC is very different than it was only a few years ago. The bar has been raised by Corch & Satan and a few new guys on the block the question is can you win without emulating those two – I hope so………………
by JRL on Nov 24, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Faustian Bargain
I will not deny the results that Urban Meyer and Nick Saban have achieved. I will say that I don’t want either of them (or someone from the same mold) to be the head football coach at the University of Georgia.
To answer your question, I don’t think Urban Meyer is “sleazy” because he whips our ass. Heck, Rich Brooks is as nice a guy as there is, and he whipped our ass. And we beat Petrino this year, so beating UGA cannot be the mark of being a terrible person.
I think Meyer is sleazy because as well as he coaches – and he’s a dang platonic ideal of coaching – I think the game owns him. No game is worth that.
However, the game is worth several million dollars a year, and several million should get you both honor and waaaaay more than seven wins.
(To be fair, “sleazy” is your word, not mine. I would have picked “tragic,” but that’s a topic for another day).
by first and thom on Nov 24, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Faustian bargain?
I hear what you’re saying First but where do you draw the line? Both NCAA and pro football have become somewhat bizarre in the size, speed, strength and soul draining commitment that it takes to compete. Maybe Coach Mark Richt has seen the line between sanity and top level competition. Football used to be every man’s game when a 165 pound linebacker could play at most schools. Now every position requires a specialist with the physical tools to be a superman and the average kid has as much chance of making a college team as a hog does of being an astronaut. You’re either in the game or you’re not. If you support Coach Richt for his character then you must support him and his record. Coaches Meyer and Saban love their players but they are willing to do what it takes to play at the highest level. Maybe Coach Richt is the smartest man in the room. If you believe in him, show appreciation for him and let him make the calls.
by renegator on Nov 24, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to question the man's ability when he's down.
During his first 6 years as head coach, no one seemed to be questioning whether or not Mark Richt could make it as a big-time football coach when his teams were regularly playing and winning in Atlanta on the first Saturday in December and winning in New Orleans. And during the years of 2001-2005 and 2007, a 165 “everyman” linebacker had no prayer of making a major college team then, either.
The years of 2006, 2008, and 2009 have, in retrospect, been a major disappointment, and there is no question that Georgia has gone in that short time from being considered #1 or #2 in the East to being considered #2 or #3… and Georgia fans (rightly) find that unacceptable.
It is short-sighted, however, to take a 2-year stretch (or, to be fair, more like a 2-year stretch plus an additional beat-down in Knoxville in 2007) and claim that the world has changed to the point where there is likely no longer a place for a man like Richt at the college football table. Meyer and Saban have had rapid and surprising success… we’ll see in another couple of years how that works out for them over the longer term.
In principle, I agree that if Mark Richt can not change with a college football landscape that is certainly changing, then he will not continue to be employed by Georgia. As Kyle says, however, you do not make wholesale any coaching changes mid-season in college. I also do not agree that his character makes him a less effective coach in this “new era” that you suggest has popped up overnight… especially since guys like Steve Spurrier, Bobby Petrino, Rick Neuheisel, and Gary Barnett have been around both before and during Richt’s tenure.
by vineyarddawg on Nov 24, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Understood Vineyarddawg
I did not mean to infer that a 165 lb. player could make it in any portion of the modern era. I simply meant that there has been an escalation in the size, intensity etc. necessary to compete in college football that separates the players from “everyman”. Maybe it is a part of the natural evolution of the sport but I can’t help but wonder if the competition has driven players and coaches to limits that are beyond what is healthy and natural. I’ve said before that I have always admired Mark Richt for his abilities and Christian character and I’m sure he will have a long and successful tenure at UGA. The current trials he is going through will probably inspire the righteous fire to get the most out of his wealth of talent. I hope so. I hope he wins nine or ten games a year. It’s no fun to have a major rival and our closest SEC neighbor on a downswing.
by renegator on Nov 29, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I draw the line so that Mark Richt...
… is on the “stay at UGA forever” side of the line.
But I don’t see the difference between Meyer/Saban and Richt as a question of degree. Richt takes a different approach to coaching than these two, and it’s an approach that has held up very well over a decade.
It hasn’t held up so well in the last couple of years, especially when compared to where expectations were set. But I will decline to buy into the false choice you create: we are free to support to our coach for his character and demand more from him on the field. Put another way: do you think that because Meyer is winning now, he has carte blance to be a jerk and to mess up the young men in his program? Is the choice really between character and winning? Do nice guys finish last?
Don’t get me wrong – I’m not trying to disparage your coach. But Richt is trying to do something different (or trying to do the same thing a different way), and I think it might translate on the field in future as it has in the past. But if Richt cannot turn it around, the fact that he is a truly outstanding man will not justify his continuing to draw a multi-million dollar paycheck.
I’m with T Kyle – I think Richt will be the greatest coach in UGA’s fine history. He has my full support. But his career is in crisis – there’s no doubt about it.
Winning isn’t everything, but it ain’t nothing, either.
by first and thom on Nov 25, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drawing the line....
“Being a jerk” is a subjective call, “messing up the young men in his program” is not. What do you know that we don’t know? How many years will Urban Meyer have to lose to Georgia to become a non-jerk?
“He has my full support but his career is in crisis” Forgive me but it sounds like you are a little conflicted. I guess the basic issue is that all winning coaches except Mark Richt are jerks, or worse. Seeing as how there is not one decent human being in the coaching profession other than CMR, UGA is in a bit of a box.
Thankfully, our geographical separation prevents me from smacking your face with a leather glove and demanding a duel so we will have to settle it next year in J-ville. I don’t need to defend “Corch” anyway.
by renegator on Nov 29, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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