The Saturday that was: Conspiracies
I've got to wonder if there really isn't something going on with the SEC officials. It's all been said before: Why doesn't Tebow ever get a penalty for excessive celebration. No one draws more attention to himself than this guy. And I really don't fault Tebow. It's in his DNA. It is how he expresses himself. But the trouble is, how he expresses himself reveals the double standard in the league. The Conference is pre-determining the outcome of games and ultimately predetermining the outcome of the post-season matchups. And by not flagging Tebow (or any other player in the league) for 'doin' that thang they do' is wrong.
Horrible pass interference call on Arkansas' Broadway. Then, an even worse no-call on the creepiest receiver in all of college football. I mean, seriously. Keep Riley Cooper away from your mom, your sister, your wife, girlfriend, money, chocolate, beer. The guy's got his hands everywhere. He'd make a great Italian. The dude wouldn't have half the catches he makes if offensive flags were justly thrown his way. I bet all of Arkansas' cornerback couldn't wait to shower after it was all over.
Florida gets away with more holding calls than anyone else as well. I think #96 on Arkansas was hooked on every single play where Tebow dropped back into the pocket. It's incredible. The Black Crowes sang about it once. It's a Conspiracy.
A 'Bama player pulls off his helmet and no flag is thrown at a point in the game where the outcome was still in doubt? Conspiracy. Yep, part of the SEC's diabolical plan to pit Florida and Alabama at all costs. Ironically, they probably don't need the extra boost, but why take chances when the league has decided what they must do to keep two Evil Empires happy.
And while I'm on the subject, does anyone else think that maybe, *just maybe* the whole "balloon boy" thing out in Colorado was actually staged by the makers of Jiffy Pop? Think about it. Definately a conspiracy.
I still think Oswald acted alone, though.
Anyone else see anything?
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All the time...
Would only make sense to keep that high-revenue Florida/LSU match-up on the top shelf by throwing a flag in the endzone (10/3/09). Hhmmm, maybe even a few inches short in Starkville a week before instead of lifting those arms to signal the score. Besides, I’m surprised our receivers and corners still had jerseys after the game in Jax last year too! How many times were the front numbers pulled sideways by their receivers and db’s? Wouldn’t be so bad if the zebras weren’t LOOKING closely right at it when it happened! I knew early in the game how it was going to go. But, things like this never get any respectful consideration, so, I just shrug my shoulders and shake my head. It’s the same as a guy catching a ball, landing on BOTH feet 2 yards from any white stripes, and the booth review takes 10 minutes to make a decision and the airheads in the booth look at the super slow motion and say, “IIIIIIIIIIII’m not too sure….it looksssssssssss…..I don’t know Jim, I just don’t know…” And you sit there screaming at the TV, “BOTH FEET!!!! ALL GREEN AROUND THEM!!!!! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!?!” What can we do?
The one that got me . . .
occurred right after the questionable pass interference. It was the personal foul called on Arkansas’s Malcolm Sheppard when he had the audacity to defend himself against the Florida offensive lineman who was coming after him:
As Uncle Verne noted: “Somewhat inexplicable.” The fact that a league with enough cash to build a legion of cyborg officials with laserbeams attached to their heads can’t figure out what is and isn’t unsportsmanlike conduct, even after several highly controversial situations which have drawn attention to that precise subject, is indeed inexplicable, Mr. Lundquist.
More than somewhat inexplicable
That might honestly be the worst call I’ve ever seen. The officiating in the UF/Arky game was so bad it stopped me from enjoying the game. I was too angry. At least Petrino lost. Its a small victory, but it still feels good.
Oh, and 100 cocktails for the Crowes reference, Dave.
Driving the "Fire Willie Martinez" bandwagon since 2006
Watch the play again
this time, turn down the sound, so that you aren’t influenced by Verne (who has no business even being in the booth) and Danielson (who is certain he is always right and in his efforts to tell you so, sometimes misses the trees while inspecting the veins on the leaves).
The penalty is not being called on the hit. A defender is obviously allowed to throw down a blocker who is attempting to block him on the play. That was clean as can be. The flag was thrown because Sheppard appeared to taunt the player he had just thrown down. Danielson completely missed it because he was too busy ranting about the call. Verne missed it because he misses everything, including who is carrying the ball on any given play, who makes the tackle, whether a first down is achieved, etc., but I digress….
Was the unsportsmanlike call on the taunting a good one? No. Sheppard appeared to just wave his arm at the player and mutter something. But it is clear that the flag only comes in immediately following the act. It was a judgment call by the ref. A bad one, but hey, we’re used to that.
You don’t hear Florida fans crying about the no call when Mallett, under pressure, retreated 15 yards directly behind center and then grounded the ball to avoid a sack. He was not outside the tackles and the ball did not reach the line of scrimmage. Bad call. It happens.
Blaming losses on the refs is what losers do. Arky converted 3 of 15 3rd downs (I believe). Yet, it was the referees calls on consecutive 1st and 10 plays which cost them the game? Mallett was absolutely horrendous throwing the ball all day, missing wide open receivers. Arky couldn’t convert our numerous gift-wrapped fumbles into TDs. Arky went soft and tried to sit on the lead (would you expect anything less from a slug like Petrino?).
Let’s assume neither penalty was called. Without the PI call, it is 2nd and 10 from midfield. Would that have been impossible to convert? We were moving the ball pretty well at that point. What about the other call? Without the personal foul, it would have been 2nd and 9 from the Arkansas 20. Again, not a catastrophic situation. Neither call saved the Gators from a potential 3rd and 25 or anything close to it.
We played a poor game and none of the 7 fumbles bounced our way (4 from us, 3 from Arkansas), that’s just football. But to lessen the victory and call it a conspiracy?!
Now, was the call god
And just to be clear . . .
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, nor taken in isolation was it the worst personal foul penalty ever. But I think the point is that we’ve sailed past the land of questionable and are now chopping along listlessly in the straits of arbitrary. At least with intentional grounding we can point to a concrete rule which somebody should have applied, though he missed the chance to apply it. Personal foul calls however have become a bad rule applied badly on a weekly basis in the SEC, both as to what is called and what isn’t.
Another problem, evidenced here, is that officials generally provide little explanation of what personal foul was committed. If for example the call had been “personal foul, taunting, on #96” there would be no confusion.
Don't get me wrong
Petrino totally lost that game for Arkansas. Based on his play calling alone, they did not deserve to win. His game plan was mind bogglingly bad. I mean, beyond horrid. As a Falcons fan, I really enjoyed seeing his failure. But, as a football fan (and regardless of who is playing) the one things that makes me madder than anything is bad officiating. It just ruins the experience of football for me. Bad refs get in the way of the game, and that was in no shortage in the UF/Arkansas game. But that call was awful.
Driving the "Fire Willie Martinez" bandwagon since 2006
And I still think you are wrong
That flag was in the air before anything that could be considered taunting happened. It was on the hit. And even if it was for the “taunt”, it was a terrible call.
Driving the "Fire Willie Martinez" bandwagon since 2006
Disagree
Lord knows I hate arguing minutiae like this, but I simply believe that your position is not correct, skigator.
If you look at the replay of that YouTube video in question, you’ll see that that defensive play in question occurs from 0:36 to 0:39 of the video. The “taunt” (which is much like A.J. Green’s “celebration” against LSU) begins at 0:41, and you see the flag sailing in mid-flight from right to left on your TV screen at 0:43. The replay is being done in slow-motion, too… for the sake of argument, let’s say it’s being played at 50% speed (2 seconds of video=1second of real time).
I submit that it takes longer than 1 second (2 seconds of video) for a referee to see a taunting foul, recognize it as such, reach into his pocket, retrieve his penalty flag, and send it flying through the air. No… to perform that action, I would say it would take more along the lines of the 2-4 seconds (4-8 seconds of video time)… which is approximately the amount of time between the actual play and when the flag was thrown.
No, it seems to me that the referee threw the flag on an indefensible call, then saw a scapegoat as the flag was leaving his hand and used that excuse ex post facto.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I looked at it again
and I disagree with you 100%. The flag clearly doesn’t come into the picture until the Arkansas player said something to the UF player on the ground and was taking his 2nd step away. That give the ref plenty of time to throw the flag especially when he threw it too quickly – which I believe is what happened.
I agree with Macon though, as an explanation should have been given. Otherwise, why give those guys a microphone, we know the hand signals?
Aktully . . .
if u look at it backwards under a black light u can klearly see that the flag is coming FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE ENTIRELY, so there must have been AT LEAST ONE UTHER OFFISHAL!!! A SECOND FLAGMAN that THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT US 2 NO ABOUT!!!!
/dissection of the film sequence in a manner that Gene Ray the Time Cube guy would totally approve of, except for its utter lack of irrational anti-semitism.
Oh, and I watched it again and can’t tell one way or the other. I don’t think there’s any good reason for the officials not to give some explanation of personal foul penalties, and while that won’t solve all the conferences woes in that arena, I think it would make the officials less hesitant to throw the hanky. The best explanations I can think of for why we so rarely get an explanation are a) officials too busy, too lazy or too forgetful or b) inability to consistently verbalize what it is that’s being sanctioned.
I hope it’s the former, but realize that a large number of viewers and media cognizanti (and heck, even Tim Brando) are beginning to suspect the latter. Seriously, the SEC’s personal foul policy might as well have been designed by Justice Potter Stewart at this point, because the implicit message is “we know it when we see it.” They don’t have to give us Ron Cherry “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8aAC4jrPM" >#69 was giving him the business" level detail, but “late hit” or “taunting” or “excessive celebration” or “use of sparklers and an M-80 to celebrate a 3rd down conversion” would certainly suffice.
And if a Bulldog fan and Gator fan can agree on the advisability of this course of action, how could others not follow suit?
Don't know why the . . .
Ron Cherry video didn’t post, but just google “Ron Cherry giving him the business” and prepare to laugh.
It seems that when you try to put a link it between quotation marks, the blog mocks you endlessly. I’ve tried to do it before, and noticed that my friendly preview widget declined to cooperate with me unless I removed the quotes or put the link outside of them.
by vineyarddawg on Oct 20, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ron Cherry - upon further review...
I still think he was flagging the aftermath and was way too quick on the trigger, which could explani why the flag arrived so quickly. Possibly, those guys had been jawing to each other during the game and the ref was expecting something more, which never happened. He should learn to keep the hanky in the pocket until something occurs which warrants a call.
BTW, Cherry ripped off his famous call from this 1986 Jets/Bills game. Here’s the video
Nail
on head MaconDawg. When I saw that complete refusal by the zebra’s to recognize anything remotely resembling reality re the head exploding call on the unfortunate Malcom Sheppard I realized all is lost. Unless you bring a team in against uf or ua that just absolutely spanks them drive after drive you have no chance to martriculate down the field with any hope of the normal breaks that routinely go to either side in a game. No doubt uf and ua are good teams. No doubt. But the sec refs are making it their live’s work to make sure they are both “lucky and good”. All hail the tv contract and resulting $$$.
Keep blaming others and take no responsibility:
Penalties from Bama-SC game:
Bama 10-113
SC 5-60
Next argument?
"Keep blaming others and take no responsibility"?
Way to take one fanpost (and one game) out of context and pay absolutely no attention to the weblog (or the season) as a whole.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Oct 18, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Devolution
This season has done bad things to your usual decorum and sense of humor, Kyle. Good luck going forward.
What was undecorous about my comment?
How was it any less glib and dismissive than the comment of yours to which I was replying?
How is a sense of humor involved? Were you making a joke?
Go 'Dawgs!
seems kyle after all these 10 win seasons
there are just a lot of people happy to kick a dog when he’s down.
i mean a) ignore us because we are wrong or b) understand there is a massive context from last year on a series of issues we are discussing.
But it seems there is a big pile of people that have been waiting for CMR to have a bad year. I never knew how much jealousy was out there. Good to be on this side in a way.
What I don't get
is why do they bother? I mean seriously – I almost never go read their blogs because my main focus is not their team, it’s my beloved Dawgs. So can someone explain to me why they even bother to come here?
They’re jealous because there will never be a better player than Herschel Walker.
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Oct 19, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I've often wondered the same thing.
The only time I go to any other team’s blog is when a link from this or another UGA blog that I read directs me there. Except for EDSBS, because Orson makes me laugh even when he is trashing the Dawgs.
Will
That's pretty myopic
I regularly read blogs for Alabama, Auburn, UGA (lots of good ones, including this one), Florida, USCe, UT, UK, Ole Miss, LSU, FSU, Michigan, ND, and Ohio State, just off the top of my head. I know more about Alabama than other teams, so I don’t need Alabama blogs to keep me posted and provide opinions when I’ve got my own.
Even when I do read other blogs
(which is rare and as Will said – usually b/c of a link on a UGA blog), I don’t post to them and I certainly don’t debate their opinions. Why? Because I don’t care what their opinion is. I also don’t care what their opinion is when they come here.
It’s like going to someone else’s house and telling them how to decorate it or how to raise their kids. It’s just rude and ill-mannered.
Not what I saw
Bama player made a great play and popped his helmet off…and quickly put it back on. He was heading towards the sideline all the while.
Yeah, we’re a bit touchy in Dawg Nation about this subject. I saw what I saw.
Whatever happened to running between the tackles? Huh, anyone? anyone?
by DavetheDawg on Oct 18, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
there was a good picture
in the Bham News showing that Cody’s helmet was ripped off during play. Not sure that’s penalty-worthy.
So now the incident has been photoshopped in a coverup
I saw him take his helmet off with both hands, look extremely satisfied, immediately very guilty, then hurriedly put it back on to avoid the wrath of Saban and the penalty he deserved.
Or maybe you are speaking of another play entirely?And not this play which we all clearly saw?
Yes, different play.
Saw it on the replay, was Lorenzo Washington. That’s a good description of this horribly unfair advantage that should have been penalized and will probably alter the identity of the SEC champion this year, much less the outcome of that particular game.
You're missing the point
The complaints (at least from myself, I can’t speak for everyone else) about the penalties have nothing to do with a “horribly unfair advantage.” I know you are being sarcastic with your statement, but it missed the point. The issue is consistency and the problems that arise from the officiating crews’ inconsistencies. The SEC should give no fanbase (UGA or otherwise) a reason, no matter how paltry, to complain about these penalties. The lack of will by the SEC in their officiating to draw a line (whether it be Tebow’s antics or a helmet non-call) with the unsportsmanlike conduct calls is creating an issue with perception. As was pointed out by Brando after UGA’s game with LSU, that officiating crew was walking into something they don’t want to see, and that had to do with race. I don’t believe that the call against AJ Green had to do with his race, but Brando’s point was that if they don’t get their act together and draw a clear line between what is or isn’t an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, then these questions will arise. The SEC needs to make sure that no fan of any team, at any given moment, is handed (on a silver platter in most instances) the right to call into question any bias, racial prejudices, or anything else. It’s downright shameful that a league like the SEC can’t get their officiating in line and we have to have these sorts of discussions. If they were doing their jobs, it wouldn’t be necessary to bring up these non-calls, and it wouldn’t be necessary for you to defend them. You should be just as upset with the officials for giving anyone the ability to call it into question. I agree that it may not have altered the game, and I believed the same about AJ Green’s call when we lost to LSU, but these calls should be non-issues, regardless to which degree the are an issue at all.
by marktheshark on Oct 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Also . . .
. . . if two consecutive SEC directors of officials were Auburn University alumni, and Alabama seemed to be getting the short end of the stick on judgment calls, wouldn’t you as a Crimson Tide fan at least have some questions?
The current SEC director of officials is a Georgia Tech alumnus. He was handpicked by his predecessor, another Georgia Tech alumnus. Hatred of all things Georgia is inculcated as part of the curriculum at the Georgia Institute of Technology. (Ask a Georgia Tech man, “What’s the good word?” and he will not reply by praising Georgia Tech, but by condemning—-literally, condemning, in the religious sense—-Georgia.)
If two league directors of officials in a row had spent their undergraduate years learning to issue a knee-jerk declaration that they wanted your alma mater to burn for all eternity, wouldn’t you question a few calls that went against you?
Go 'Dawgs!
Good luck in getting a coherent answer from our tide visitor to that one, Kyle....
…any more than you would get one from skigator if you posed a hypothetical to him about an SEC Refs; Office run and crewed by Noles.
I would like
for someone to put together a list of all the “unsportsmanlike conduct” (BS CELEBRATION) penalties from Saturday 10/17/09. It would be interesting to see if any were called in the SEC other than the one on Georgia.
rtr, I just want
Fair and equal penalties. No team left behind!
Here's the Good Test of a Personal Foul
If, upon observing said foul, the fan of the team against whom the penalty is called is pissed at the offending player and/or the coaches instead of the zebras.
We all know the feeling: someone makes a stupid late block or grabs a facemask or hits out of bounds. You get angry at the refs for a second, but you know your guys got caught and it’s the players and coaches that should know better.
Re: the Arkansas block – tell me what Petrino should tell his kid to do instead of what he did? Re: Cody – it’s pretty clear what he did and equally clear that he didn’t get caught. “Keep you hat on, kid” would solve the whole problem. Likewise, tell me what AJ Green should have done? He got called, but there’s no obvious rule he broke. On the other hand, the guy who throwns his towel 20 feet in the air after a sack breaks the rule and doesn’t get caught. That’s arbitrary, and those that support arbitrary rules are those who think they can either (1) win with utter disregard for the rules (which has a certain Hobbesian appeal for fans, but I imagine most players pass on it) or (2) get the calls in their favor more often than not.

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