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Should a Georgia Fan Root for Florida in the National Championship Game?

Because there has been some discussion in the FanPosts about whether an S.E.C. fan should root for his conference coevals during bowl season, I thought I’d raise the question here on the main page.

S.E.C. squads have taken the field seven times this bowl season, with one game left to go. Vanderbilt, Louisiana State, Georgia, Mississippi, and Kentucky won the Music City, Chick-fil-A, Capital One, Cotton, and Liberty Bowls, respectively, while South Carolina and Alabama lost the Outback and Sugar Bowls in turn.

A Florida win in the national championship game would give the league a 6-2 postseason ledger, all in bowls played on New Year’s Eve or later. That would represent a strong showing by the S.E.C. An Oklahoma victory on January 8, on the other hand, would drop the conference to 5-3 yet send the S.E.C.’s three least likable coaches (Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Steve Spurrier) down to defeat.

Which way should we, as Georgia fans, break on this question? I’ll be rooting for the Saurians out of conference pride and the knowledge that the ‘Dawgs fare well against defending national champions, but I know some of you feel differently. Where will your loyalties lie next Thursday night?

Go ‘Dawgs!

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How should an S.E.C. fan be rooting during the national championship game?
Conference pride, baby! Go Gators!
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My second-favorite team is whoever's playing Florida. Go Sooners!
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I'm a Gator who always roots for UGA...

out-of-conference of course. You’d be surprised how many Gator fans at our UF-FSU tailgate were pissed when Georgia Tech beat you guys. And we all wanted UGA to stomp Michigan State.
But, what if Urban gives you guys a shoutout by having the entire team celebrate a touchdown? That should get you on UF’s side, right?

mlmintampa
UF C/O 06

by mlmintampa on Jan 3, 2009 10:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am glad to see Kyle has a clear head about this

Conference pride is important. A 3-peat of titles from the SEC will give any SEC champ the inside track to the BCS title game….including UGA. You need to be able to put bitterness aside and realize that any SEC win indirectly benefits all conference teams.
I pulled hard for Ole Miss and had no problems doing so. Ole Miss was simply better than us that day earlier this season. Does that mean that I want a Big 12 team to beat them with their Arena League style?? Hell No!!!!

For those of you that feel compelled to root for Oklahoma on the 8th? Just remember you can’t win – Stoops is always a Gator as he helped coach us to our first title. Either that or the Gators get you twice in one season.

You make the call.

Congrats on the win against Michigan State – you did the conference proud.

by skigator93 on Jan 3, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While I am an SEC proponent, conference pride doesn’t rank quite that high on my list, especially when compared to UGA’s future success. Another MNC makes Florida stronger and keeps a flow of top athletes to Gainesville. IMO, knocking Florida and Meyer down a peg helps Georgia in recruiting in the long run.

I pulled for Bama in the Sugar Bowl even though they beat UGA. They are not an annual rival and don’t instill the disdain that Tenn, Auburn or especially Florida do. I rooted for all of the other SEC teams during the bowl season and was very grateful for LSU’s win.

As far as the Stoops argument, I believe I read where Spurrier was giving some tips to his former DC (and the reason Florida won their first MNC). So if Spurrier, a Florida alum, isn’t supporting Meyer, I think it is okay if I don’t.

by fotodog on Jan 4, 2009 6:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I can safely say

that Spurrier is rooting for the Gators.

Besides, what “tips” could anyone from South Carolina possibly give to Stoops?

“DON’T DO ANYTHING THAT WE DID WHEN WE PLAYED THEM!!?”

by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2009 5:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stoops is always a Gator?

I’m thinking Stoops’ loyalty runs a little deeper for the school that made him one of the highest paid, most successful head coaches in the game over the school that he won a NC as a DC. It’s not like UF gave him the opportunity to be a DC; he was already one before. Besides, if I remember correctly, Stoops turned down the opportunity to be a Gator again after the Head Dick Head left for the NFL.

by UgaMatt on Jan 4, 2009 9:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Stoops didn't coach for Florida, he would not be at Oklahoma today

Stoops was a CO-defensive coordinator at Kansas State. UF was his first sole DC job.
This is from Stoop’s biography:

“It was with the Gators that the spotlight found Stoops and made him one of the hottest coaching names in the profession. Stoops’ success at Kansas State and Florida launched him to the top of the list of assistant coaches primed for head coaching positions in 1999.”

Also, I was making the “always a Gator” statement a little tongue-in-cheek…..

by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2009 5:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Proves My Position

The last part of this comment is why I’m an OU fan on the 8th. I hate Florida. Confrence pride is overrated. Would I hate them if Georgia could make our rivalry somewhat respectable? I have no idea. I’m only 28 and my memory from the 80s isn’t that great….

by RealisticDawg on Jan 3, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry skigator93

I meant to replay to mimintampa…

by RealisticDawg on Jan 3, 2009 11:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

REPLY

reply (I’ll get it right eventually)

by RealisticDawg on Jan 3, 2009 11:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never, ever, ever ,ever....

will I root for Florida to win. NEVER. EVER. NEVER!

If Florida was playing Al-quida in the BCS Championship I would be rooting for Osama to throw for 400 yds and 6 TD’s.

I hope the Gators lose by 40!

by RocketDawg on Jan 4, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said in the other thread...

I hate Florida the other 364 days of the year. I sure as hell won’t change that because they are playing a Big 12 team.

by SG Standard on Jan 4, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

I will never drop my hatred for Florida. I don’t buy into the whole “conference supremacy” BS. I hope they lose 12 games a year.

http://hobnailboot.blogspot.com/

by AuditDawg on Jan 4, 2009 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there is only one team...

…that occupies a greater, more deserved place of hatred in my book. As it just so happens, that team is Oklahoma. Course, I’m from Texas. So, if my rooting for the unlikely meteor doesn’t work out, here’s hoping for an SEC three-peat…..

Cale Self

University of Georgia
Brevard Music Center
www.allhailcale.blogspot.com

by allhailcale on Jan 4, 2009 2:17 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Screw Conference Pride

I never understood the logic in pulling for teams that bad mouth you during recruiting, whose fans are total assholes, and whose coaches use every opportunity they have to put your program down, just of “conference loyalty”. You know what makes a team look good? Winning every game they can—not how the teams they played perform in mostly meaningless bowl games played 5 weeks after the season is over. When Florida is flying to a game, I root for gravity. I will NEVER pull for Florida in anything because you can bet the mortgage they’re not pulling for us.

by UgaMatt on Jan 4, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bet the mortgage?

Did you notice the comments from the Florida fans at the top of the post? The recruiting argument gave me some pause, but I just don’t worry much about the exciting, storied history of our program failing to attract its share of the elite players out there. Florida is our strongest rival right now, and the strength of your opponent sets the bar for your own growth. Notice how the Big 10 has crashed and burned—don’t play anybody and you don’t get good. I love SEC football, and I damn sure don’t want another undefeated SEC team to get shut out of the big one like Auburn once was. All that said, I can’t say Saban near a coronary and Spurrier broken and dejected went without appeal.

by stretchdavis on Jan 4, 2009 11:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I almost always pull for ......

our fellow SEC teams. The more the SEC wins the better it is for all. That is why a 2 loss LSU was allowed to play for the MNC.

by JRL on Jan 4, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I give Oklahoma a little more respect...

for playing some legitimate nonconference games in TCU and Cincinnati. TCU took Utah to the wire and lost by 3, and Cincinnati won the Big East. Florida played nobody this year outside the SEC and possibly an emerging Florida State team. Although most admire Florida’s success in what they’ve done during the past several years, they did it on pansy nonconference schedules. They probably have the easiest nonconference schedule out of all the SEC teams, and I give no respect for them complaining of a tough schedule. If Georgia has the initiative to go out of state and hosting legitimate teams for their nonconference games, that brings a lot of respect about their program in having the initiative to take the challenge and playing those teams.

So how does Florida go to the National Championship? Outside of playing the SEC, they play pansy nonconference teams. How does Florida go undefeated at home? Play Charleston Southern and the Citadel every year. I would like to see Florida host a legitimate nonconference team like Oregon, BYU, Nebraska, or Cincinnati. They would probably win all of those games, but it comes to show that they are not chicken in hosting a competitive team.

by thefirstgenesis on Jan 4, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easiest non-conference schedule in the SEC?

FSU, Miami and Hawaii, all non-conference opponents for the Gators this year, were ALL bowl teams and all better than the tough out-of-conference game you toughed up to play in Tempe this season.

and there is no need to throw Citadel stones form your Georgia Southen glass house…..

Since you are obviously not astute on scheduling – the opponents are typically scheduled well in advance. Therefore, when we scheduled Miami – we were anticipating a game against a top program – just as you were when you scheduled ASU. But alas, it doesn’t always work out that way.

UGA and UF are both at a disadvantage over almost every team in the country because of the Jacksonville game. That gives us both one less home game every other year to gain revenue. That is in addition to us both having an in-state rival we play every year that is out of conference- again taking up another would-be slot for a non-conference opponent. Contrast that with Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Vandy, whose in-state rival is a conference game already – freeing them up to schdule anyone they want every year.

To everyone else- this reply is aimed entirely at thefirstgenesis for his silly post above- no offense should be taken by the rest of you.

by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2009 4:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miami and Hawaii

Were both at the Swamp, so I don’t know if they were too much tougher than trekking across the country…especially since Miami and Hawaii were breaking in rookie QB’s for their first and second games. And I single that game out because that’s the nonconference game of ours that you did…Ga Tech, we should both admit, was the toughest non-conference team on both schedules. But I will say that both out team’s non-conference schedules on the whole were comparable.

by The ArchDawg on Jan 4, 2009 8:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To hell with Florida

Them winning doesn’t help UGA one bit.

Coke doesn’t root for Pepsi, Wendy’s doesn’t cheer the success of Arby’s, and no Georgia fan should ever pull for Florida.

by Hobnail_Boot on Jan 4, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My feelings exactly

Florida winning the NC is good for Florida and nobody else. How does our 49-10 loss to them look any better if they win against OU? BOOMER SOONER!

Sic 'em Dawgs

by ClassicCityDawg on Jan 4, 2009 2:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Au Contrare

Wendy’s does cheer success of Arby’s as they are in the process of merging.

http://hobnailboot.blogspot.com/

by AuditDawg on Jan 4, 2009 3:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and coke and pepsi don't share revenue

SEC bowl revenue is divided amongst all teams, so yes, having 2 SEC teams in BCS bowls every year because of the perceived strength of the conference absolutely helps you. If you just want to be a bitter hater, go ahead, there are ebough SEC fans out there to easily drown out your silence.

by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2009 5:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right to the Point!

“Florida winning the NC is good for Florida and nobody else.”

Very true and couldn’t have said it any better than that. Having an opponent SEC team doesn’t help our cause. It’s like saying that GT was in our conference and they went to the NC. Why should we root for our bitter rival to win the NC even if they are in the same conference as us?

OU can and hopefully will win, by a close game. However, if OU can’t win this one, I wouldn’t root for OU in any future BCS games. Utah should have taken OU’s place if OU should lose next week.

by thefirstgenesis on Jan 4, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry ..

been some valid points in this post by all sides – GREAT Post Hobnail_boot.

“Conference pride is important. A 3-peat of titles from the SEC will give any SEC champ the inside track to the BCS title game..”

BUT I can not and will not EVER root for Florida. The loss by Alabama was horrible and damaging to SEC “powerhouse” status but I will not root for Gators as I did for "The Tide.’

by TwotimesaDawg on Jan 4, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So I’m guessing none of you folks has chanted, “S-E-C! S-E-C!” Maybe because you learn it at the SEC Championship Game and you guys don’t go enough to pick it up.
/ducks incoming shoes, runs out back door

mlmintampa
UF C/O 06

by mlmintampa on Jan 4, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You just proved our points for us

We don’t root for Florida because their fans are arrogant jerks that make comments such as the one you just did. Thank you for making our points easier, jerk.

http://hobnailboot.blogspot.com/

by AuditDawg on Jan 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just for the record . . .

. . . in the 21st century, Georgia has been to the S.E.C. championship game more times (3) than Florida (2).

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 4, 2009 7:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would venture to guess

That many of you have indeed chanted S-E-C S-E-C before. Maybe it was at the SEC Championship game, maybe it was in New Orleans last January. The essence of that cheer is stating “we are part of the best conference in America. We know it. You know it. We all know it. Go ahead and hate us – we are SEC and we will destroy all other conference foes.”

Most fans on other boards seem to share our SEC spirit and understand what it meand. This board clearly appears to be the lowest of those pulling for conference mates – I’m guessing only about 1/3 will pull for Florida. We welcome the support of those 1/3 or so.

by skigator93 on Jan 4, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Almost all of us support SEC solidarity

We just don’t do it for rival teams. Every UGA fan has differing opinions on who is our biggest/most hated rival, but for me and lot of others out there (especially those growing up in the 90’s), there isn’t a single team we hate more passionately than Florida. Our hatred transcends any notion of “conference pride” we may feel in the rest of the bowl season. The only other fans in the SEC that would even come close to this resentment of the Gators would be LSU and UT fans… and even then, I doubt they’d be on our level.

by get swoll yunel on Jan 4, 2009 5:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a born and bred reptile, I’m pretty cold-blooded about these things. It’s certainly true that a UF win benefits the conference as a whole (especially after Bama did the SEC no favours at all the other night), and that public perceptions of conference strength matter a great deal at the moment. (Also that those perceptions are cumulative over several seasons – with three in a row the SEC could virtually pencil a team TBD in the title game next year.)

Now, I cheered for Georgia and Ole Miss and LSU. I cheered for Bama. (For pity’s sake, I even cheered for FSU for the sake of boosting the OOC slate – and I hate FSU.) And I like to think that I would have cheered for any of those SEC teams if they had gone to Miami instead… but I really don’t know if I could have. Certainly UGA would have been a serious challenge. I mean, a serious challenge. So – speaking just for myself – I won’t be at all offended if any Georgia fan cheers mightily for Oklahoma. I very well might have done the same in your place.

by peachy rex on Jan 4, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ole Miss

I think 2 of the Florida fans have noted they pulled for Ole Miss. Of course you did, Ole Miss’ win against TxT is a double shot for you. Your only loss looks better and one of OU’s biggest wins doesn’t look quite as impressive.

by fotodog on Jan 5, 2009 9:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You got that right – busting out “the team that beat us beat the team that beat you” card may be abusing the transitive property to the breaking point, but we’’ll use any weapon that comes to hand if necessary to stymie a Texas bid for the AP.

But, honestly, while it’s vexing that they’ve caused us so much trouble recently, I dislike Ole Miss as little as any team in the conference. So I would have cheered for them regardless of their record or opponent.

by peachy rex on Jan 5, 2009 4:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A quick request:

I want to thank everyone for taking part in the conversation, which has been spirited without being overly heated . . . but, ere anyone creeps too close to the line, I just wanted to take a brief moment to note that the Gator visitors here, both generally and in this comment thread specifically, have been cordial, reasonable, and good-natured. In particular, I would note that skigator93 is a regular commenter at Dawg Sports, and he represents his fan base in the best possible light.

I understand where everyone in Bulldog Nation is coming from regarding their disdain for the Gators; I especially understand it coming from Georgia fans in their early 30s or younger, who have seen little success in Jacksonville and whose notion of a Florida coach was formed by Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer, who are outspoken, disinclined to call off the dogs once the game is in hand, and successful coaches.

I don’t think anyone has crossed any lines, but I want to make sure we are careful to treat our guests to the degree of hospitality to which they are entitled. If a visitor from another fan base is a jerk, he can and will be dealt with, but, whatever bad experiences we have had with Florida fans (and we all have had them), the ones commenting here are not those guys. We should treat them accordingly and not lump them in with the worst elements of their fan base, especially since every fan base has its obnoxious yahoos, even our own.

I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Let the vehement yet civil airing of views continue in earnest.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 4, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amazing how our early perceptions . .

cloud our current thinking. As an older Gator fan, I remember watching Belue to Scott live. That’ll change a kid’s perspective on life. I remember Florida would lose in the worst possible ways in Jax from my entire childhood. Georgia was ALWAYS the big game on the slate. Hell, Tennessee was rarely on the schedule (if at all).

Then Spurrier came and slowly changed all of that. Tennessee and FSU became the big rivals as Georgia went through a down period. I wanted UF to beat those teams, but it was still all about beating Georgia in Jacksonville, preferably in the most humiliating way possible. Even now, that’s still the game I always worry about (no matter if UGA is down or very good) when it comes around. Younger Gator fans think you’re crazy, but they just didn’t live through the pre-Spurrier years (particularly the early 80’s).

I can cheer for just about any SEC team at any given time (and I LOVE this conference). I’ve grown to actually kind of like Miami and FSU (a support the state thing for me). But I just can’t cheer for Georgia. I can certainly understand and I would not be surprised if Georgia fans rooted seriously for Oklahoma on Thursday night.

by DoubleB on Jan 5, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a younger Gator, I’m the opposite. I HATE FSU. I hate UGA and Tennessee, but that’s business, nothing personal. FSU is personal because they are stealing money from UF in state budgets. (Their erector set stadium was paid for by Florida taxpayers.)
As for Georgia, I visited in the summer of 2001 as a part of an out-of-state recruitment program and would have attended had Florida not accepted me too. I loved Athens and the communications program, but I walked through the black arch and I didn’t want four years of bad luck.

mlmintampa
UF C/O 06

by mlmintampa on Jan 5, 2009 5:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the record . . .

. . . it only renders you sterile, and that’s just if you walk under the Arch as a freshman. As a high school student visiting the campus, I’m pretty sure you’re O.K.

It does say something about the nature of rivalry, though. It’s one thing if you’re a “little brother” school like Georgia Tech, Michigan State, or Texas A&M that has only one real rival, but, for teams (like Florida, Florida State, Georgia, and Oklahoma) with more than one genuine rival, a lot of it is generational.

Georgia fans of the generation before mine hate Georgia Tech because they remember Bobby Dodd and the eight-game losing streak. Georgia fans of the generation after mine hate Florida because of Steve Spurrier’s domination in the 1990s. Georgia fans of my generation hate Auburn because of Pat Dye and the 1980s. By the same token, we consider Clemson, not Georgia Tech, to be our principal out-of-conference rival.

I hate Auburn.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 5, 2009 7:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I may be a little longer in the tooth than some of y’all on here and can remember the regular cans we used to open up on UF before football was invented in the 90’s. Spurrier came along and won a special place in our dawg hearts as the evil genius, but for me at least, also garnered a grudging respect for what he was doing for the SEC and how when you got beat by him you knew you got beat by a master. I’ve certainly got some other schools on the dance card that reserve that extra special bit of “hate” for but UF is not at the top of the list because of Spurrier and because I can well remember beating them like the ugly kid in school. The current coach there certainly shows he can win, but I don’t feel like we got beat by SOMEBODY when the Cryer is in charge for some reason.
That being said, no way in hell am I going to pull for the gators, even if it is against my second most despised team and coach. Its close, but go Sooners.

by 15henson on Jan 5, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that some of the latter posts are getting to the crux of this issue

This is completely a generational thing. Georgia fans of my generation, I’m 25, know nothing from Florida but pain and heartbreak. We’ve seen our mediocre era get pounded into the ground by the high flying Spurrier teams of the 90’s, which has translated into pyschological damage for this current generation of Bulldogs. The Spurrier teams laid the ground work for my hatred for everything Florida and the Zook/Meyer era has only increased that in recent years as there is no longer the talent gap, but some unexplainable vex that Jacksonville seems to put on our teams. I frankly believe that no one that was raised a Bulldog in my generation will ever have anything but the upmost contempt for the hated Gators as all we have really known is failure. Just like Gator fans of my era will never have the hatred of Gator fans from the generation before me because all they’ve known is that the only sure things in life are death, taxes, and a Florida victory in Jacksonville.

http://hobnailboot.blogspot.com/

by AuditDawg on Jan 5, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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