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Allen bolts for the NFL, too

The AJC is reporting that Asher Allen has declared for the NFL draft, too.  Let me just be the first to say...

huh??

I mean, Danny Ware bolting 2 years ago was understandable.  He knew he wouldn't be drafted, but he also knew his window of opportunity at Georgia was closing, with Knowshon coming off his redshirt year.  Allen is our best cornerback.  Why would he declare now for the draft? 

Personally, I wonder if he doesn't have some sleazebag agent whispering into his ear that he'll get him drafted in the first 2 rounds.  He'll be lucky to be drafted at all, IMO.

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And the hits just keep on coming, don't they?

Am I the only one who’ll be glad when it stops sucking around here?

What did we ever do to deserve this unending torrential downpour of crap?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand now...

This is that giant sucking sound that Ross Perot was talking about so many years ago, isn’t it?

I live near Athens, and I listen to Jeff Dantzler’s show on 960 the Ref on my ride home, and he regularly goes on a rant that pretty much echoes my philosophy. To paraphrase him: every coach, coaching staff, and team has up years and down years.

Some years, every dadgum thing goes wrong at the absolute worst time, and some years, you don’t necessarily have a better team, but you just get lucky and get the breaks you need to have a special season.

Mark Richt and his team at Georgia are doing the right things in the right manner, but even in their good (one-loss) years recently, they’ve just been unlucky. Given enough time, though, Mark Richt will end up just like coaches like Tom Osborne, Bobby Bowden, and Joe Paterno. They did things the right way, and they put themselves and their teams in the position to have special years on a regular basis. That way, when “ol’ lady luck smiles on you,” you are in the best position to take advantage of it.

If you ask me, Florida and LSU have been getting pretty freakin’ lucky over the last 4 years. The way Richt is running things, our time will come. And the best thing about it all is that no one hates our coach because he’s a jerk… they hate him because he’s “too nice” and “too good of a person to be sincere.” I think am absolutely positive I can live with that for the next 25 years or so.

by vineyarddawg on Jan 13, 2009 10:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lucky?

6 ACLs in one season? Yeah, we really won the lottery this season. IEveryone gets some bad breaks, but sometimes they can be overcome if you have the right personnel.

by skigator93 on Jan 13, 2009 11:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, come on, skigator93

No one had injury issues like we did this year. Y’all lost Percy Harvin for one game; we lost two starting left tackles.

I’ve said all along that injuries are no excuse—-as Stacy Searels proved, good coaching can overcome them—-but you can’t deny that the ’Dawgs had particularly poor fortune in that respect. Also, please note that vineyarddawg talked about the Gators being lucky (injury-wise) over the last four years, not strictly this season.

Thanks for the pep talk, vineyarddawg. Of course, I know you’re correct, but, man, it’s been a lousy year. When you get nothing but bad news and two of your three biggest rivals get nothing but good news, it’s pretty crummy.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 7:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's not downplay our injuries THIS year

It’s not like it’s been all confetti and flowers for the Gators this year…

We “only” lost Harvin for one game? Need I remind you it was the SEC Championship game against a top ranked Alabama team that I think you would agree was pretty solid?

We also had 5 preseason ACL tears including all SEC TE/WR Cornelious Ingram, who would have been Tebow’s second best weapon, both starting safeties, including Dorien Monroe, and top defensive recruit Brendan Beal who was slated for plenty of action in the LB rotation this year. We ended up having to start 3 sophomores and a freshman in the defensive secondary that was lit up in 2007.

We also lost senior OL Jim Tartt, who missed most of the season with a shoulder injury, and then his backup – leaving us with yet another sophomore starting on the OL. We also battled injuries along the defensive front all season.

The end result is that we weren’t exactly lucky on the injury front this season, and I would say we battled as much adversity in that department as anyone- including UGA. Fortunately for us, the end result is that we will return between 17-19 starters next season (depending on who goes to the NFL), plus we will return the former starters to battle for playing time with their replacements, along with all the redshirted guys.

How many 10 win seasons has UGA had in its history to be calling this such a lousy year? I’m not arguing that you should be disappointed with a preseason #1 ending the season with 3 losses – that surely is a letdown, but I think you might be going a little overboard by saying anything other than “this team underachieved and we expected so much more, but all in all, it was a pretty darn good season.”

by skigator93 on Jan 14, 2009 11:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm on my lunch break, so I don't have the numbers . . .

. . . in front of me, but I’d be willing to bet that, as an historical matter, Georgia has as many 10-win seasons as Florida, although the Gators’ 10-win seasons (like their conference titles) have been concentrated in the last two decades rather than spread out over time since the 1940s.

Because of the respective time periods involved, Gator fans have become more accustomed to being dominant year in and year out, but give the ’Dawgs their due . . . while we have no national titles in recent years, we won two S.E.C. titles, made three S.E.C. championship game appearances, and played in three Sugar Bowls between 2002 and 2007. We deserve to feel badly about a season that set us back a decade after all the progress that had been made, but was squandered.

Were you, as a Florida fan, disappointed with the Gators’ 2007 season? I think you should have been. If you want to rip on my alma mater‘s present condition, I can’t deny that you’ve earned the right to gloat and be condescending, but recognize the historical reality. We’re one of the most storied programs in the history of the sport; no, we’re not Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, or Southern Cal, but, then, historically, neither are y’all (although, admittedly, you’re closer to getting there right now than we are). Our pedigree entitles us to be disappointed with a season in which we were expected to win the national title and were the champions of exactly nothing . . . not the conference, not the division, and not the state.

It was a bad year. I know you mean well, but please don’t disrespect my team by suggesting we should be anything other than dejected by the way this sorry season went.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 12:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you misunderstood the tone of my post

In no way did I mean to demean the Dawgs or gloat in any way. I would also bet we are about even in 10 win seasons….which is exactly my point, you could probably count them on 1 hand (especially since 12 game schedules and conference championships are a recent phenomenon). In fact, I would bet that not many teams including Alabama, Notre Dame, etc. have more than a handful of 10 win seasons (maybe FSU during their historic run of top 5 finishes?)

My point was that nobody should be so spoiled as to expect to win championships every season and consider milestones like 10 win seasons “a bad year.” I also don’t think that UGA’s season set you back a decade. UGA will be back next season – maybe not seriously contending for a national title, but Richt will have yet another top recruiting class and some of those players will develop into top players. When you lose a lot of players – you rebuild. That doesn’t take very long when you have a program as strong as UGAs or UFs.

2007 was a rebuilding year for us – we took our lumps, including a pretty solid thumping by the Dawgs. But after losing almost our entire defense from a championship team rooted on that side of the ball, I (and most realists) expected a sub-par year. The loss to Michigan was a little hard to take because we didn’t appear any better on defense than we started the year (and we lost to a Big 10 team), but otherwise, 9-3 was a very good regular season.

I am sure there will come a time when both UF and UGA have periods like Michigan and Notre Dame (sure hope it is way far off though) and we will dream about 10 win seasons!

I apologize if my post seemed to be a dig at UGA, as you know that’s not my style. Although I love it when we are able to beat you, my SEC loyalty (and more importantly, my wife) has me pulling for the Dawgs all other weeks throughout the season. Don’t be too disappointed, the next great Dawgs might be signing next month, or may already be on the roster. I remember recently you had a redshirted RB from New Jersey that turned out to be a pretty good back….

by skigator93 on Jan 14, 2009 1:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I appreciate that, skigator93 . . .

. . . and I hope it was clear from my use of the phrase “I know you mean well” at the end that I realized that wasn’t the intent of what you wrote, but that (or so it seemed to me, at least) was its import.

For the record, for whatever it’s worth, these are Georgia’s 10-win seasons:

1942: 11-1
1946: 11-0
1959: 10-1
1966: 10-1
1971: 11-1
1976: 10-2
1980: 12-0
1981: 10-2
1982: 11-1
1983: 10-1-1
1992: 10-2
1997: 10-2
2002: 13-1
2003: 11-3
2004: 10-2
2005: 10-3
2007: 11-2
2008: 10-3

These are Florida’s 10-win seasons:

1991: 10-2
1993: 11-2
1994: 10-2-1
1995: 12-1
1996: 12-1
1997: 10-2
1998: 10-2
2000: 10-3
2001: 10-2
2006: 13-1
2008: 13-1

That’s 18 for Georgia and 11 for Florida, although, of course, all 11 of Florida’s are after the start of the Steve Spurrier era and only eight of Georgia’s have come during that span.

By comparison, since you mentioned Florida State (which was a good benchmark for the late 1980s and most of the ’90s), the Seminoles have 18 (1977, 1979, 1980, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2003), the same number as the Bulldogs . . . although the Red and Black had two 10-win seasons before F.S.U. had a football team. (Note also how the trend towards 10-win seasons moved from Tallahassee to Athens about the time Mark Richt was filling out his change of address card.)

All that is to say, Florida has a great program, a great team, great players, and a great coach . . . but Georgia has every institutional advantage Florida has, plus a longer heritage of success, yet we can’t even get over the hump in what’s supposed to be our year. Even though we still lost more often than we won, the scores of recent contests in Jacksonville—-20-13 in 2002, 16-13 in 2003, 31-24 in 2004, 14-10 in 2005, 21-14 in 2006, and 42-30 in 2007—-suggested that these were two evenly-matched programs in which one had a slight psychological advantage which was in the process of being surmounted.

Then came 49-10, followed by the departures of Matthew Stafford, Knowshon Moreno, and Asher Allen while the Gators were busy winning the national title with a team from which virtually everyone—-and, perhaps, literally everyone—-will return. Viewed in that light, 10-3 looks like a disappointing slide from 14-0 or 13-1 . . . and it looks like a harbinger of bad things to come. This was our shot, and we blew it.

We don’t even get the consolation of a Dodger-like “Wait ’til next year!” I cringe just thinking about next year. When I contemplate the N.F.L. draft, and Georgia’s 2009 schedule, and Willie Martinez’s return, and Urban Meyer having the Cocktail Party circled on the calendar, I realize that 7-5 in 2009 is a very real possibility.

A year from now, I probably would pay cash money for 10-3, but, right now, 10-3 feels like 3-9. It feels like Jim Donnan all over again. If we went 10-3 playing the way we played, all it means is that ten of the teams on our schedule sucked worse than we did.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 8:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All good points

Wow, I managed to miss a lot of commentary in a relatively short period of time. Thanks for backing me up, Kyle.

Actually, though, the “luck” I was referring to wasn’t even really injuries at all. It was the fact that Florida was lucky enough to have their one-loss seasons during years when there were no undefeated teams, and LSU was lucky enough to have a two-loss season in a year where there weren’t even any major one-loss teams. (Not to mention the fact that LSU had the two top-ranked teams in the polls lose on the final day of the season, and they went from #7 to #2 in the country literally overnight.)

Georgia’s one-loss season came in 2002, when there were two undefeated teams, and in 2007, we were clearly one of the best teams at the end of the year, but Tennessee had 3 of their final 5 regular-season opponents miss last-second, game-winning field goals (twice in OT), and they made it to the SEC Championship Game instead. If Vandy, Kentucky, or South Carolina make just one of those field goals, it’s very likely that UGA would have been playing for the national title instead of the Fighting Tigers.

So, this isn’t really as much of a Florida rant, even though skigator made it one. (Don’t get me wrong… I hate Florida as much as Kyle hates Auburn. Maybe more, even.) It’s more about how other teams have gotten lucky, while Georgia has had less luck in the “getting other teams ahead of you to lose” department.

by vineyarddawg on Jan 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You may hate Florida as much as I hate Auburn . . .

. . . but no one can hate any team more than I hate Auburn.

You can match 100 per cent, but you can’t improve upon it.

I hate Auburn.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 11:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for clarifying Vineyard

and you are correct – we have been fortunate in that the teams in front of us that we needed to lose games did exactly that (not nearly as fortunate as the Philadelphia Eagles – who needs about 5 things to happen the final week…but I digress).

I think Richt has you in the right place – if you are only losing 2 or 3 games per year, you will eventually have a year when the chips fall your way and you get to play for another title. I think UGA fans bought into the media hype and preseason ranking too much this season. The schedule was not right for a title run. If you want to see a title ready schedule – look at the embarassing slate we play next season. Of course that means there is no room for error – if we lose 1 game with that strength of schedule, we’ll fall behind every other team with a loss! I’m not counting any chickens, just stating that I like our odds better with the weak schedule than I would with a tough schedule.

by skigator93 on Jan 15, 2009 4:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say injuries had more to do with our showing

Then our schedule, which was nowhere near as tough as advertised …and next year’s appears even tougher than this year’s was perceived to be. It also appears there may have been some internal issues going on, but that’s not concrete and is really based on between the lines readings on blogs and sports sites, so I’ll leave that at that. I have a good feeling about next year, though; even if we ‘just’ go 10-3 next year (or even 9-4), I have a feeling I’m going to feel a heckuva lot better then than I do now.

by The ArchDawg on Jan 15, 2009 6:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Alabama's list of 10 win seasons..

1945
1952
1961
1962
1964
1966
1971
1972
1973
1974
1975
1977
1978
1979
1980
1986
1989
1991
1992
1993
1994
1996
1999
2002
2005
2008

26 aint so bad…

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 16, 2009 3:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is why I listed Alabama . . .

. . . among the top four programs in the sport (along with Michigan, Notre Dame, and Southern California). Historically (and, after 2008, perhaps currently), the Crimson Tide are the gold standard of Southeastern Conference teams.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 16, 2009 3:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i didn’t mean to brag….well yeah i did…….

When you are an Alabama fan you are expected to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because I want to.

by bammer on Jan 16, 2009 9:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

According to David Hale's blog...

…injury concerns played at least a small part in his decision. Considering that he did play injured for a good portion of the season, and it apparently affected his performance, I guess I can understand that.

But does anyone else get the feeling that, like most of us, Allen thought this year was our year?

Anyway, the sucking, indeed, can stop whenever it pleases.

by wqueenjr on Jan 13, 2009 8:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DAMN IT!

Maybe it’s because I don’t follow other teams as closely but I don’t hear of this crap happening at other shcools. I mean Danny Ware, Chris Clemmons, Paul Oliver etc, etc…

When, if ever, will it stop?

by deanpat92 on Jan 13, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopeful

that Mr. Allen will take “Free” Willie Martinez with him.

Please? Please? Pretty Please?

by Lakepoets on Jan 14, 2009 6:43 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No problem

No. 7 cornerback in the country Branden Smith has already committed.

And the no. 30 CB in the country Jordan Love is committed as well.

Also, looking at scouts, we have targeted at CB :

  1. CB Denard Robinson, Deerfield Beach FL
  2. CB Greg Reid, Valdosta GA

I’ve heard Greg Reid is the real deal, haven’t seen ’em play though.

This is what college football is all about, we’ll be back. Just hope Prince improves a lot over the summer, since he’s our #1 now…

by UgaBulldog14 on Jan 14, 2009 8:44 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Addendum

My numbering didn’t show up as I wanted it to.

Denard Robinson is the no. 13 corner in the nation according to scouts, and Greg Reid is number 15.

by UgaBulldog14 on Jan 14, 2009 8:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bring back Terry Hoage...

In the Spring Joe Cox will probably break his leg and Caleb King will tear his ACL and LCL. Are we cursed or something?

by JEFFCODAWG on Jan 14, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also, I haven't seen this mentioned

CMR went to meet with incoming RB Washaun Ealey about his grades. Washaun apparently needs to bring up his SAT score to get in.

Could just be another negative.

PS has the date for the spring game been announced? Already looking forward to it.

by UgaBulldog14 on Jan 14, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good for you for looking forward to it

I’m dreading it. The weather will be bad, everyone will look awful, someone will suffer a season-ending injury, and I’ll be forced to think about football at a time when I never want to think about football ever again.

Seriously, if I could go back in time like Sam Beckett in “Quantum Leap” and steer the five-year-old me away from college football and towards, oh, I don’t know, stamp collecting or playing the violin or, really, any other dadgum thing in the world, I would so do it in a heartbeat.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 12:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But on the bright side . . .

it is an opportune time for Bloggerpalooza-type events. With tree climbing and such. Don’t forget the tree climbing. It will sustain you.

by MaconDawg on Jan 14, 2009 1:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Without trying to bash the guy...

this really pisses me off. I understand Stafford and Moreno leaving…I still think Stafford would’ve been better served to stay another year, but with the potential to be a number one overall pick and looking at what happened to Matt Leinart, I understand leaving. I just don’t really understand why Asher is leaving. Sure, he could get injured, but he’ll be a second rounder AT BEST. I can’t think that his stock would fall next year…and how many guys are going to draft a cornerback with ZERO interceptions last year? I realize he was hurt for a while, but come on. None? That’s three in the past two years. Sure, he deflected some passes and played a good shutdown corner, but I just think this is a huge mistake on his part. Like I said, I’m not knocking him, I appreciate the years he gave the program, but it just seems to me this is a big mistake and it’s hard to not be a little bitter about it. It definitely leaves us in some dire straits at cornerback. What are we going to do? Prince is there, but the guys behind him have virtually no experience. We certainly don’t need Bryan Evans to move back…and even the best cornerback recruits in the land aren’t going to be able to come in without some serious growing pains (Major Wright in 07). Anyway, just venting there.

by hailtogeorgia on Jan 14, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For some reason

You can apparently add Reshad Jones to those going pro as well. This one truly baffles me. Will he even be a first day pick?

I mean, after the crap year he just had, I don’t think it’s the end of the world or anything, but it makes me wonder if there is something wrong with our program that these guys would all want to jump ship like this…. even when they’re not even potentially good draft picks.

by get swoll yunel on Jan 15, 2009 6:39 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It certainly seems like fuel for the "fire Willie Martinez" fire

Stafford and Moreno are one thing; they both figure to go high enough that the potential benefits of another year (i.e., improving one’s draft status) would not seem to outweigh the risks of staying (e.g., injury).

The marginal guys who are departing are coming out of the secondary . . . Coach Martinez’s area of immediate responsibility. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. I doubt if it helped matters when he started throwing his own players under the bus in public (even if Jones, to some extent, may have deserved it).

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2009 6:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't really see it as a reflection on Willie

though it very well may be. I looked at it more as Reshad being Reshad. He saw Asher decide to leave, saw that Rolle was going to go to Oxford and Taylor I’m-More-Impressive-Than-The-Fox-Football-Robot Mays wasn’t going pro, and decided it wasn’t worth it to stay. I really don’t think the coaching had anything to do with it. Believe me, there are plenty of people who saw Reshad get embarrassed by Auburn and GT. From an interview with TotalUGA.com:

After watching Asher Allen opt for the NFL, Georgia safety Rashad Jones is now leaning heavily toward leaving early for the NFL. In fact, when contacted by TotalUGA.com, he said he thinks he’s going to go. When contacted Wednesday night, Jones said he thinks the time is right for him to end his college career with the Bulldogs. “I’m leaning more towards leaving,” he said. “I just feel like it’s a weak safety class and that this would be a good time for me to leave.” When asked about whether or not he’s gotten feedback from his family or coaches, he said yes. “My family is going to support me no matter what I do because it’s my decision and it’s all on me,” he said. “As far as the coaches, they know, but I’d rather not talk about what they had to say.” Most draft experts think Jones is a second-day pick somewhere around the fourth round, but no higher than third. “Injury plays a big part in all of this,” he said. “You just don’t know what’s going to happen.”

From that, it seems like the coaches told him something to the extent of “You’re nowhere near NFL ready and you need to come back to school. You’re not going to be drafted on the first day and you’re making a huge mistake.” Honestly, if I were his coach (even though I know it’s his decision), I would sit him down and show him all the plays this year where he was absolutely embarrassed by guys much inferior to the running backs and receivers he’ll be seeing in the NFL. Prove to him that he’s not ready. I hate to feel like I’m jumping ship on a guy who has represented Georgia well, but at this point, it’s hard not to feel a little bit of resentment. He basically said that his family supports him doing it because they can’t really tell him not to (insert Mike Gundy reference here) and he was too embarrassed to even say what the coaches told him. That means this is all on me, I don’t care what anyone else thinks, I’m doing it because Asher did it and I can’t be one-upped.

by hailtogeorgia on Jan 15, 2009 8:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As long as all of these guys are leaving...

Can we get Bryan Evans to declare for the draft, too? I lost count of the number of times this season I watched #3 get beat deep on a big play.

by vineyarddawg on Jan 15, 2009 2:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jone has flipped

he is staying. He said he is ready to get back to work.

by JRL on Jan 15, 2009 7:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rashad has a point

this IS a weak safety class.

And next year’s class looks even better with Mays and that guy by the name of Eric Berry. I’m sure there are some more, too, but overlooking NFL prospects, this year’s safety class wasn’t even that good with Mays I thought. William Moore is the new #1?

Can’t blame Rashad really, if he can go in the first five rounds it might be a decent decision. He won’t go on the first day, not by a longshot.

by UgaBulldog14 on Jan 15, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Calling all 4 star plus..........

CB’s and S’s – UGA has immediate openings. Apply via fax, email, TM, IM, phone etc.

Sincerely

Coach Willie

by JRL on Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why the Auburn hate?

Just curious. I grew up in Montgomery, and most Auburn people I know are just fine. They are a little on the paranoid side, living in Alabama’s shadow, but I just don’t get it.
I just don’t hate them like Tech, Florida & Clemson. I just can’t hate Auburn any longer than 60 minutes.

by JEFFCODAWG on Jan 16, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a generational thing

In the late ’70s and ’80s (my formative years as a Georgia fan), the Bulldogs beat Florida and Georgia Tech almost as a matter of course; Auburn was the rival with whom we struggled most, particularly at home, and my fandom was forever scarred by the games against the Plainsmen in 1983 (which signaled the start of the sea change in the S.E.C., as the post-Bear Bryant balance of power in the league shifted distinctly from Athens to Auburn), 1986 (the “between the hoses” incident), and the practice of attacking the hedges whenever they won in Sanford Stadium.

I have had several Georgia fans tell me they know some good Auburn people, and I take them at their word. I myself know perhaps as many as a dozen decent Auburn folk, but my experiences with Auburn fans have been by far the most uniformly negative of my dealings with any opposing fan base. Florida fans, as a group, are the second-most obnoxious in the conference and Georgia fans, as a group, are the third-most obnoxious in the conference, but, in my experience, you could add all the Gator obnoxiousness and all the Bulldog obnoxiousness together and double it, and you still wouldn’t get half as much obnoxiousness as the Auburn fans dish out.

Again, I understand that there are good Auburn fans out there and that many of my fellow Georgia fans seem to have found them. With rare and notable exceptions (including such commenters as PowerOfDixieland and such bloggers as Jerry of the Joe Cribbs Car Wash, both of whom represent their fan base with courtesy and class), the Auburn fans I have encountered over the last 25 years or so (including almost all of them who showed up here in the week before the renewal of the Deep South’s oldest rivalry) are the worst danged fans in the land. That’s just my experience; your mileage may vary.

As for Florida-centric hate, you may want to click on the link in this morning’s posting to my interview on The CFB Weekly Radio Show, where the host, Aaron Rennie, asked me whether Georgia fans rooted for or against Florida in the national championship game. I think my answer reflected the generational nature of rivalry contempt.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 16, 2009 2:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Generational Things

I’ll add to T. Kyle’s post that Pat Dye’s personality was a factor in making Auburn eminently hatable during the 1980s—the guy had all the charm of a hammer-head shark, and generally played a hammer-headed style of football.

But it does go deeper than that. I spent much of my childhood in LaGrange, Georgia, just over the line from Auburn, and an Auburn hotbed (at least back in the day). The Auburn fans then were truly insufferable: they never really lost a game, were always being robbed, and seemed to feel that checkbook recruiting was okay because Bama did it. I do, however, think their program became much less objectionable under Tubs.

This is, of course, generational. My relatively low level of hate for Florida (though I’m catching up) definitely flows from my memories of the era when the Dawgs pretty much owned the Gators, who were in turn (before Spurrier) the most consistently underachieving program in the SEC.

by donkeydawg on Jan 16, 2009 4:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add me to the list

… of die-hard Auburn haters. I do hate Tech more than Kyle does (I’ve explained elsewhere on the site the familial reasons for my sometimes not-so-clean but certainly old-fashioned hate). But at least Tech is a good school.

It’s not just generational: as donkeydawg pointed out, there are lots of demographic considerations involved. I spent my entire childhood in the Town of Elms and Roses (LaGrange), and I can vouch for the accuracy of donkeydawg’s report. After seven years in the Classic City, I settled in Columbus, Georgia, for 13 years. More of the same. (I must add that my first employer in Columbus had been an AU football letterman, and he’s a great guy.)

Florida? Spurrier was annoying, as is Meyer. I don’t like losing to them. They’re in the conference, so I want Georgia to beat them. That’s about as strongly as my feelings about the Gators get. My feelings about Florida (and other rivals) were pretty much settled in the first 21 years of my life. What’s happened in the second 21 years (and whatever years I may have left) has not and almost certainly will not cause any shift in my hatred.

by NCT on Jan 17, 2009 8:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mine's a geographical thing

Everyone has their own reasons for hating the team they hate most. As for me, I spent most of my childhood in south Georgia, and a couple that were my parents’ best friends were avid Florida fans. Therefore, I learned early in life about the obnxiousness and general low-class attitude of many (most?) Gator fans on the odd occasion in the ’80’s when Georgia would fail to fell Florida.

In addition, I started attending the Florida game annually in 1992, which was the memorable “timeout” game, when Florida was credited with a fortuitous timeout that resulted in Eric Zeier’s game-winning TD pass being disallowed. So, it’s a combination of factors that have brought me to the place where I would not root for Florida if they were playing Al-Qaeda U.

I’ve always considered the Auburn rivalry to be a “brotherly” rivalry… you beat each other up and don’t like each other while doing it, but in the end, you’re still brothers. As for Tech… well, it’s hard to really hate your geeky cousin who can only beat you when they get lucky or get a fluke call from the refs.

I fully respect the right of every Georgia fan to hate who they want, as much as they want. As for me, though, Florida will always have that special place in my heart for which no kind feelings can be found.

I hate Florida.

by vineyarddawg on Jan 18, 2009 3:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My intense dislike.........

(hate is reserved for the truly evil) has more to do with the coaches than the universities. ErBane has supplanted Old Ball Coach on my dislike list (he is very near the hate end of the scale) so Florida tops the list.

by JRL on Jan 18, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All Good Points

I guess since I lived all my life in Alabama (except for the 5 years in Athens) I view Auburn very differently. I really saw them as the poor, red-headed stepchildren of Bama. Can you imagine the psyche of a fan base living in Bryant’s shadow? I always felt a little sorry for them. I mean come on, your in-state rival is only second in tradition to Notre Dame………Who wouldn’t develop an insecurity complex?

But hey, I was at the ’83 game……It was the first SEC loss for us that decade. I remember the shock!

I do understand the 80’s thing, but Pat Dye was one of us as a player. I always liked him. Plus they always had a ton of Georgia boys on their team.

But my Father attended UGA during the Butts-Griffith transition and he instilled a HATRED of GT that lasts until this day. I attended UGA in the late 70’s – early 80’s when we fought the Lake Hartwell Cow college on a yearly basis, so I guess that is why I rank GT and Clemson along with Florida on the hate list. I mostly hate Florida now because they own us……like we owned them in the 70’s & 80’s.

by JEFFCODAWG on Jan 19, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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