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Final BlogPoll Ballot Explained

Late Saturday afternoon, I posted a draft of my final BlogPoll ballot with a promise to offer a more thorough explanation later. Here now, without further ado, the justification for my rankings:

Let’s start with the question over which I wrestled the most: "Who’s No. 1?" I acknowledged earlier that the Utes had a compelling case to make, so why did I anoint Florida (13-1) rather than Utah (13-0)? Why are Ute fans not saying, "Thank you, Kyle" to me?

There were a lot of similarities between the Mountain West and Southeastern Conference champions. Both won 13 games, one of which was against Division I-AA competition. Each had five wins against teams that finished with more than seven victories: Louisiana State (8-5), Florida State (9-4), Georgia (10-3), Alabama (12-2), and Oklahoma (12-2) for the Gators; Air Force (8-5), Oregon State (9-4), Brigham Young (10-3), Texas Christian (11-2), and Alabama for the Utes.

Florida and Utah each claimed three victims with ten or more victories to their credit, one of which was the Crimson Tide. While the final scores of the S.E.C. championship game and the Sugar Bowl were similar, the games were not. The Gators did to ‘Bama what the Saurians did to the Sooners, playing an even game for the better part of three quarters before pulling away at the end; the Utes did to ‘Bama what the Red Elephants did to the ‘Dawgs, building up a commanding lead early and scoring late to put the game away when the trailing team attempted a furious yet futile comeback.

I apologize profusely for having to use that analogy and I intend to spend the remainder of the offseason expunging from my head every memory I have of Black Saturday.

A closer look at the two contenders’ respective resumes reveals some dents in Utah’s claim that perfection trumps all, however. Florida played eleven teams that made it into postseason play and the Gators’ regular-season opponents went 6-3 in bowl games, whereas the Utes faced six teams that received bowl bids and their regular-season foes posted a 3-2 ledger in postseason play.

The Saurians faced two teams with losing records: Arkansas and Tennessee, each of whom finished one win shy of bowl-eligibility. The Utes crossed paths with six teams that ended up below .500 and five of them carded at least eight losses: New Mexico (4-8), Wyoming (4-8), Michigan (3-9), Utah State (3-9), and San Diego State (2-10). How bad are those five teams? Four of them have hired new head coaches since losing to Utah, and more than a few Maize and Blue fans would like to make it a clean sweep. (Admittedly, this analysis is complicated somewhat by the fact that the Vols, who also axed their head coach, lost to Wyoming, but no team Florida faced had a worse record than Tennessee, while three teams Utah faced had worse records than the Cowboys.)

Despite playing a demonstrably weaker schedule, Utah survived five of its 13 outings by the skin of its teeth, winning by a touchdown or less against the Wolverines, the Falcons, the Beavers, the Lobos, and the Horned Frogs. Florida, in the meantime, made good on Tim Tebow’s tearful promise that he and his team would play harder than anyone for the remainder of the campaign, leading the Gators from defeat through weeping to victory in a manner that cries out to be made into a movie of the week for the Lifetime Network. (Look for Tebow to hype the film with a moist-eyed appearance on "The View.")

Ultimately, I found the gap between Utah’s strength of schedule and Florida’s too much to overlook. The Orange and Blue’s one-point loss to the team that won nine games and beat Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl was a quality loss and the Gators overcame that sole setback with victories over the Bayou Bengals, the Bulldogs, the Seminoles, the Crimson Tide, and the Sooners.

I can only assure the Utah faithful that I am just as sickened by the sight of this man hoisting that trophy while clad in orange and blue as they are.

Just as Florida’s four best wins (over Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, and Florida State) were superior to Utah’s best four victories (over Alabama, T.C.U., Oregon State, and B.Y.U.), so too did Texas (12-1) finish ahead of Southern California (12-1), despite the Trojans’ Pac-10 championship, because the Longhorns’ most noteworthy victories (over Oklahoma, Ohio State, Missouri, and Oklahoma State) were more impressive than those posted by the Men of Troy (over Penn State, Ohio State, Oregon, and Cal).

Texas also was helped by a better overall caliber of competition, as only two of the Burnt Orange’s foes finished more than one game below bowl-eligibility (Baylor and Texas A&M, both 4-8) and U.S.C. faced 2-11 Washington State and 0-12 Washington. Moreover, losing a close one to an eleven-win team on the road is better than losing a close one to a nine-win team on the road, so the ‘Horns get more credit for their quality loss.

The Sooners fell no farther than No. 5 after a pair of ten-point neutral-site losses to one-loss teams because O.U. notched victories over Texas Tech, Texas Christian, Missouri, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State, and Nebraska. The Red Raiders, who lost to Oklahoma in the regular season but beat the Longhorns, the Cowboys, and the Cornhuskers, clung to a spot in the top six on the strength of their eleven-win season.

Even though Alabama’s only losses were to the top two teams in the country, the Crimson Tide slipped behind the Red Raiders because Texas Tech, despite facing two Division I-AA opponents to the Tide’s none, still managed to beat as many Division I-A teams with winning records as ‘Bama. Only four of the Raiders’ victims finished below .500 and one of those was Kansas State (5-7). While the Tide whipped a trio of 5-7 teams (Arkansas, Auburn, and Tennessee), half of their dozen victories came against squads with losing ledgers, including Tulane and Western Kentucky, both of whom were 2-10.

I swear, I’m not being vindictive about the aforementioned Black Saturday. Well, O.K., maybe just a little, but not much.

The Nittany Lions narrowly beat the Buckeyes during the regular season and Penn State finished one poll position ahead of Ohio State on my ballot. Joe Paterno’s squad was smoked by U.S.C. in Pasadena, but victories over the Big Ten’s and the Pac-10’s respective O.S.U.s earned P.S.U. a No. 8 ranking. Quality losses to the Lions and the Longhorns bolstered the case for a Buckeye squad whose most noteworthy victim was Michigan State.

The Horned Frogs’ victory over B.Y.U. only counts for so much, but eleven-win T.C.U. earned points for a quality loss at Utah and a quality win over the Boise State club that checked in at No. 11. Although the Broncos beat three teams with records of 3-9 or worse, those were the only three teams B.S.U. beat with ledgers below .500 and a road win over ten-win Oregon gave Boise State’s resume a boost.

Wins over Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, and Nebraska provided some heft to the record of achievement posted by A.C.C. champion Virginia Tech. The Hokies also were helped by the fact that three of their four losses were to nine-win teams, three of their four losses were close contests, and all four of their four losses came on the road.

At that point, frankly, it starts to get a little murky, diluted, and wholly unsatisfactory. Ten-win Georgia slipped past ten-win Missouri because the two teams had comparable losses---Alabama, Florida, and Georgia Tech combined to go 34-7; Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas together went 33-7---but the Tigers had one more of them, to 8-5 Kansas.

At last! A mention of something positive for Georgia! We’ll just pretend that nothing that happened after this moment happened and forget all about any press conferences or national championship games or such as that. . . . (Photograph by John Raoux.)

Only one team in the country recorded two wins over teams ranked in my top six, and that team was Ole Miss. Unfortunately, Florida and Texas Tech were two of only three teams with winning records beaten by the Rebels. (The other was L.S.U., which finished at 8-5.) Granted, three of Mississippi’s five victims with losing ledgers won either five or six games, and the Rebs’ four setbacks all were sustained by a touchdown or less, but losses to South Carolina (7-6), Vanderbilt (7-6), and Wake Forest (8-5) had lost much of their luster by season’s end, so Ole Miss only made it as high as No. 15.

The Ducks had much the same problem as the Rebels, boasting quality wins over the Big 12’s and the Pac-10’s respective O.S.U.s but recording all but one of their remaining victories against teams with losing records. In fact, half of Oregon’s wins were over opponents with eight or more losses in their ledgers. While the Beavers did a little better in terms of the quality of their competition, their head-to-head loss in the Battle of the Webbed Feet and their poor performances at Stanford and at Penn State caused Oregon State to land behind their in-state rivals.

The Yellow Jackets claimed two quality victories (over Florida State and Georgia) but they also lost to a Virginia team with a losing record and were not competitive in losses to a pair of 8-5 teams, North Carolina and L.S.U. The Bearcats got as much traction as they could get from their Big East title and their eleven wins, but five of their ten wins over Division I-A opposition came in nailbiters and none of their three losses were competitive.

The Golden Bears didn’t do a whole lot to get to 9-4. Only two of their victims finished with records better than 7-6, but, then again, only three of the teams they defeated finished with records worse than 5-7. Not one of the four games Cal lost was a close contest, but all of those setbacks came on the road and the Bears beat nine-win Michigan State and ten-win Oregon, which was more than could be claimed by the fellow 9-4 teams that followed them.

The University of California at Berkeley also received extra credit for having conformed most closely to popular stereotypes about the institution in this ever-changing world in which we live.

Among the aforementioned 9-4 teams that trailed California were Pittsburgh, Florida State, Oklahoma State, Michigan State, and Iowa, who finished ranked 21st through 25th on my ballot. The Panthers were first among equals by virtue of six victories over teams with records better than 7-6, including moderately marquee wins over the Hawkeyes and the Mountaineers. The Seminoles likewise edged out the Cowboys because F.S.U.’s best win (over the Hokies) marginally surpassed the Pokes’ best win (over Mizzou). The Spartans were buoyed by the caliber of the competition to whom they lost---Cal, Georgia, Ohio State, and Penn State all won nine or more games and only one of them faced M.S.U. in East Lansing---and the fact that they beat Iowa head-to-head.

The Hawkeyes earned the final spot in my top 25 on the strength of their win over the Nittany Lions. Granted, that was their only victory over a team with better than a 7-6 record, but, on the other hand, Iowa’s four losses all were by a touchdown or less. Three of those setbacks came on the road and three were to opponents that finished with 9-4 ledgers.

That gave the Hawkeyes more on which to hang their hats than the resumes compiled by Tulsa (11-3), Nebraska (9-4), West Virginia (9-4), Rice (10-3), Northwestern (9-4), Ball State (12-2), B.Y.U. (10-3), and Western Michigan (9-4), who finished as my de facto 26th through 33rd teams. (No team with five or more losses was considered, although, if they had been, I’m sure squads such as, e.g., L.S.U. would have finished higher than many of those teams.)

The Golden Hurricane, the Cornhuskers, the Mountaineers, the Owls, the Cardinals, the Cougars, and the Broncos all made it through the season without beating a team ranked in my final top 25. The Wildcats’ narrow victory at Iowa was offset by Northwestern’s narrow loss at Indiana. The Hoosiers finished 3-9 . . . and the ‘Cats barely got by four-win Duke and three-win Michigan on the road.

I mean . . . Duke and Michigan?!?! Those aren’t even football schools!

As for what I watched, it’s easier to tell you which parts of the postseason I didn’t watch. If it wasn’t on while I was at work and if it wasn’t broadcast on the N.F.L. Network, I certainly saw at least some of it, most likely saw much of it, and quite probably saw every bit of it, provided it wasn’t on opposite a game in which I was more interested.

For instance, I didn’t see much of the Clemson-Nebraska game because the Gator Bowl was on at the same time as the Capital One Bowl. (By the way . . . conference tie-ins be damned, wouldn’t a Nebraska-Michigan State game in Orlando and a Clemson-Georgia game in Jacksonville have made infinitely more sense as New Year’s Day affairs? The ability to renew a storied rivalry would have taken some of the sting out of this sorry season, and the Bulldogs and the Tigers could have commiserated considerably, as both expected to contend for a national title, neither even won its division, and each found Alabama a tougher opponent than anticipated.)

As always, I call ‘em like I see ‘em and try to offer you as rational an explanation as I can. I welcome your feedback, questions, and constructive criticisms before the final BlogPoll is posted and I remain open to compelling arguments in favor of a position contrary to the one I have taken.

Now, please, let’s forget this dreary catastrophe of an accursed football season ever happened and move forward as if it never occurred.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Thanks.

Nice to see some unbiased logic from a rival. You, sir, have my respect.

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 12, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I put more stock in this blog's polls

than the AP polls, for whatever it’s worth. Not sure if that’s props to this blog or disses to the AP\ESPN.

I think the good thing is that Kyle actually thinks about his poll, and although some of the AP voters might disagree, I think that is very important.

by UgaBulldog14 on Jan 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Thanks Kyle"

I know that wasn’t easy for you to do, but I commend you for your honesty and your ability to take your hatred of our team out of the equation.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're welcome

This season sucked for me and was great for y’all, but I try to have a little dignity and class (I don’t always succeed), and I am grateful for Florida fans like Gatorpilot and you who adopt the same approach.

Every fan base has its fair share of yahoos, but most fans of most schools are good people. Heck, there are even a few good Auburn fans, like PowerOfDixieland and Jerry from the Joe Cribbs Car Wash.

I hate Auburn . . . but I appreciate the compliment. Congratulations on earning the national championship.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2009 7:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your research is amazing..........

good job and no argument from this chair.

by JRL on Jan 12, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Utah on Urban
I can only assure the Utah faithful that I am just as sickened by the sight of this man hoisting that trophy while clad in orange and blue as they are.

I think Utahns are more divided (and a lot less disgusted) than you think, after all Urban put the program on the map in the modern era – there are a hell of a lot of UF fans out in the Beehive State who are perfectly happy “owning” the 2 best teams in the country.

by falcontom on Jan 12, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just to be clear . . .

. . . I included the phrase “while clad in orange and blue” deliberately, to indicate that, while Utes fans probably don’t (and shouldn’t) have a problem with Urban Meyer, they doubtless would have preferred to see him holding up the crystal football while wearing Utah red.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2009 7:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It has nothing to do with hatred.

Utah is the National Champ.

They are undefeated, and they crushed Alabama a lot worse than Florida did. Florida played Alabama on a neutral field. That Sugar Bowl as a home game for Alabama.

Honestly, I do not think Florida could even beat this Utah team.

Utah got screwed.

by Muckbeast on Jan 13, 2009 3:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see your argument . . .

. . . but, unless they have moved the University of Alabama campus, both the S.E.C. championship game and the Sugar Bowl were neutral site games.

Just as I do not buy the arguments of Georgia fans who claim that Jacksonville is not a neutral site because it is located nearer to Gainesville than to Athens, I give no credence to the contention that one team has an advantage because more of its fans show up at a venue to which both fan bases have equal access.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2009 7:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see your argument and it is severely flawed

Utah is NOT the national champ. They received one vote in the coaches poll from their own coach. That is like your mom voting you “best kid.”

“they crushed Alabama a lot worse than Florida did”
No they didn’t. They won by 14 points. We won by 11 points.
I won’t even get into the fact that Florida was without its biggest offensive playmaker for the Alabama game and Alabama was without perhaps its most important player (you know, their Outland Trophy winning OT in an offense centered around the power run?) for the Utah game.

“Honestly, I do not think Florida could even beat this Utah team”
Think with your head, not your heart. Why don’t you think Florida could beat this Utah team? I would love to hear your argument.

by skigator93 on Jan 13, 2009 11:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coctail Party v. Sugar Bowl

There’s a difference between Georgia and Florida playing in Jacksonville (360 miles for GA, 75 miles for UF) and Utah and Alabama playing in New Orleans (1900 miles for Utah, 190 miles for Alabama). That’s not the same amount of access. Alabama fans can drive 3-6 hours. Utah fans can buy an airplane ticket or drive 3 days.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Jan 14, 2009 5:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand your point . . .

. . . but it’s still a neutral site.

I’m sorry if there aren’t enough Utah fans scattered nationally, or enough Utah fans in the Beehive State with the means and the desire to attend the biggest game in school history, but that is neither Alabama’s fault nor Alabama’s problem.

I reiterate: anyone who thinks a game in New Orleans is a Crimson Tide home game needs to have his team head on down to Tuscaloosa and play a little football. My advice to anyone who does so is to bring your jock strap and your chin strap and make sure they’re both fastened tightly.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 10:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No it wasn't . . .

I was there, it was not, in any sense, a neutral site.

There were 14,000 Utah fans—less than you’d see at a BYU game and about 60K Alabama or SEC fans—people wearing SEC colors and screaming for ’bama ot defend the honor of teh conference.

Also, the idea, as posited above, that “Bama made a "fuirous” comeback bid is frankly laughable. They got a few calls and breaks but couldn’t do anything. They could not stop Utah or score themselves. The only team that stopped Utah was Utah with penalties, ’Bama never did. They threw the entire game and got about 200 yards offense. You aint coming back with 200 yards.

Their Defense couldn’t stop us. If you know Whittingham he is a ball control smash mouth guy and never runs up scores. After the first quartter Utah loafed the entire game eating time and Alabama desperately tried everything they could to no avail.

The difference in team hustle and attitude was simply amazing—and that makes up a lot to me: how do you play as a team.

I think that is really where both Florida and Utah showed the nation how to win this year—come together as a team.

I think we were the number 2 team in the nation, maybe number 1, we will never know. Tebow is a huge game changer. I only know that the idea that the Sugar bowl was neutral is absolutely errant and the idea that ’Bama almost came back lacks any insight into that game.

Every ‘Bama fan there (and they were wonderful fans) said the same thing: “We were whipped.” That isn’t a close one in most circles, and close is what the idea of ‘furious comebacks barely withstood’ seems to imply.

by MeanBobMean on Jan 15, 2009 10:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With all due respect . . .

. . . you clearly misunderstood what I wrote. What I wrote was this:

“While the final scores of the S.E.C. championship game and the Sugar Bowl were similar, the games were not. The Gators did to ‘Bama what the Saurians did to the Sooners, playing an even game for the better part of three quarters before pulling away at the end; the Utes did to ‘Bama what the Red Elephants did to the ‘Dawgs, building up a commanding lead early and scoring late to put the game away when the trailing team attempted a furious yet futile comeback.”

This reflects the fact that, while the scores of the S.E.C. championship game and the Sugar Bowl were comparable, the former was a tight ball game and the latter was a whipping. I compared the latter to Alabama’s victory over Georgia, in which the Crimson Tide led 31-0 at the break and, when the Bulldogs tried to make a game of it, ’Bama marched down the field for the score that put the game completely out of reach.

That is exactly what Utah did to Alabama and exactly what I meant when I wrote that Alabama attempted to mount a comeback. That is a very different thing from saying they actually mounted a comeback, which I agree they did not do.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2009 11:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With respect also given

The term “furious” comeback indicates what I noted.

Your intentions are also noted, thank you for the clarification.

Cheers.

by MeanBobMean on Jan 15, 2009 2:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps, but...

…I don’t know if I would consider it “equal access”. It is approximately 290 miles from Tuscaloosa to New Orleans (about a 4 hour drive). It is approximately 1,920 miles from Salt Lake City to New Orleans (about a 30 hour drive). Sure, you could always fly — that is if you’ve got $1200 sitting around you don’t know what to do with.

Don’t get me wrong — I’m not complaining about the location of the Sugar Bowl. But I don’t really thing you can argue that both fan bases had equal access to the venue. If we all had limitless cash, maybe. But the average ’Bama fan probably spent about $200 total to go to the game. The average Utah fan? Around $1500.

Do I think Utah would have beat Florida this year? Yes. Do I know they would? No. Would have been nice to get to find out.

by vizzle07 on Jan 13, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously, what I meant was . . .

. . . that both fan bases were afforded equal ticket allotments. It’s a longer drive to Jacksonville from Athens than it is from Gainesville, but Georgia fans have as much opportunity to buy tickets as Florida fans do. If we’re letting Gator fans fill more of the seats than we do, then shame on us as fans.

This was Utah’s second B.C.S. bowl game. Its first was in the Fiesta Bowl, in the Utes’ part of the country. Had Pittsburgh complained about having to face the Utes in the desert, no one would have bought this argument. Gas prices have dropped dramatically since September and a chance to play Alabama in the Sugar Bowl represented the biggest game in Utah history. Hawaii fans had a lot farther to travel, and they showed up in New Orleans last year.

I have no sympathy for this argument and any claim that it was a ’Bama home game is nonsense. Any team that believes otherwise needs to schedule a game in Tuscaloosa and see how that works out for them.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 13, 2009 2:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter

Allotments are meaningless if the nature of the access to the site restricts one fan base over another. Period.

It was not a home game technically, but it was the closest thing Alabama could have to a home game and saying that is not true is nonsense. Alabama fans to a person said it was common for them to go to NOLA and common for them to attend the games there. That aint the same, period. For example, Ute standout Paul Kruger had zero family attend—it was simply too expensive for their modest means.

The Alabama fans were fantastic and they made the game a great experience for me by shaking my hand when we scored, complimenting our team, and explaining to me who was who on their team, team history, and insights, etc. Truly class acts and great ambassadors for the conference.

I’m definitely rooting for ’Bama in the SEC next year strictly as a result of what their fans showed, though like may Utes I too have a soft spot for Urban and congratulate Florida on their wins and BCS title this year and expect them to do very well again next year.

To you Doggistas, I am saddened to see Moreno and Stafford bail, they would have helped next year. Moreno, in particular, was impressive.

by MeanBobMean on Jan 15, 2009 10:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the compliments on Moreno and Stafford

I don’t know what you mean about “the nature of the access to the site restrict[ing] one fan base over another,” though.

They have an airport in Salt Lake City; I know, because I’ve flown into it. The interstate highway system connects the Beehive State to the Pelican State. You managed to make it to the game.

Many Utah fans may have made fiscally prudent, and perhaps even financially necessary, decisions not to attend, but they had equal access to tickets and could have gone. That they chose not to may have been perfectly reasonable, but they had every opportunity.

I simply have no sympathy for this argument. If Georgia fans could travel in droves to see the Bulldogs play at Arizona State and Hawaii fans could travel in droves to see the Warriors play in the Sugar Bowl, then Utah fans can travel in droves to see the Utes play in New Orleans. That they didn’t is on them.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 15, 2009 11:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well . . .

Of course you don’t understand it, you reside in the Southeast, most all the bowls are down here, so you can’t understand why everyone else in the nation does not attend. By your logic the LSU game in NOLA for the title last year wasn’t a home game either. I mean, technically you’re correct. See the problem there?

No, it’s not a legal restriction, but it is one regardless of whether you understand or sympathize with it.

The Ute fans wanted the Fiesta Bowl and Texas. Great matchup, but in the Fiesta bowl against Pitt guess who placed the most fans, Utah or Pittsburgh? We did.

Guess why? We could drive there, they could not.

So, was it a question of Utah being rewarded or an attempt by the powers of college ball to “homer” us? Who knows.

Tell you what, why don’t we start a rotating schedule and insist that no SEC team can play in their zone of influence in a bowl and same with USC, Utah or anyone and make it actually neutral?

Like, SEC vs. Big Ten for BCS #1 has to be in Seattle? USC Vs. Big Ten has to be in NOLA or Miami? SEC vs. USC has to be in New York or Philly?

Backyard bowls aren’t home games for some teams?

Oh. OK. But I think just about everyone disagrees politely.

Next year, Dawgs at ’Bama, payback, or another long day for dem Dawgs?

Cheers

by MeanBobMean on Jan 15, 2009 2:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bunk argument

Did you happen to notice the number of UGA fans in Tempe for the ASU game this year? So much for that argument since the ASU fans could walk to the game and the UGA fans had to fly , but tickets and pony up for a hotel as well.

Utah would be outnumbered in any bowl game against any major opponent. The reason is that they are not a major college football powerhouse yet. What is your reasoning for believing that Utah would beat Florida? I am just curious because we run a similar type system and I think the athletes in orange and blue are just a tad bit better.

by skigator93 on Jan 13, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, her's a couple

You had a hard game with ’Bama?

Utah had as good or better a defensive system and personnel.

Utah’s offense was better than Alabama’s—with or without Smith.

Utah motivated it’s players and coached teh games better than most of your opponents did.

Utah plays as ateam, and plays hard all game—more so than many of your opponents did.

So, we’ll never know. But eveyrone saying “Utah could never beat Florida” was also saying “Utah could never win game x, y and z” which we did.

by MeanBobMean on Jan 15, 2009 10:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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