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Hate to be the bearer of bad news...

But our quarterback just announced he is coming back for his senior season.  There has been talk that Harvin and Spikes will join him and come back together like the '04s did in basketball, but I think that is doubtful. Regardless, I like the thought that our defense may be better next year, because, like the Dawgs, we were very young this season. Add Tebow and the next crop of speedy receivers and I like our odds.  See you in Jax.

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090111/NEWS/901110951/1090?Title=Tebow___I_m_coming_back_

 

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Thank you.

This is great news. And Joe Cox can now see if he has what it takes to match up to Tebow… I will enjoy that comparison.

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Y'all enjoy it while you can

Between the 19-year cycles and the Bulldogs’ record against defending national champions (including a 2-0 mark against Gator teams that won it all the year before), a Georgia W in Jacksonville this fall is virtually inevitable. That’s what I keep telling myself, at least.

Good luck trying to make 2009 the first year since 1911 that y’all have gone undefeated, though.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 11, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This post

is as flatulent as it is turgid. Please don’t pretend that you’re hating anything, pal. Yes, UF has earned the right to boast, but being disingenuous really doesn’t play well here. Just my .02 worth.

God, I hope Kyle is right.

Abolish directional kicking.

by DavetheDawg on Jan 11, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

come on now

it was just a newsflash – surely you didn’t take the headline to mean that I was sincerely disappointed to learn that our greatest Gator ever was coming back did you?

I think this might be the year the streak ends. The difference is that in those other two years, we lost half our team to the NFL. This year, we could possibly return everyone….including 11 starters on defense if Spikes stays…

by skigator93 on Jan 11, 2009 9:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone once said...

“To be the best you gotta beat the best.” Gators are the champs, so “Let’s Go Dawgs!”

by Lakepoets on Jan 11, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most shocking news since..

..Clay Aiken came out of the closet.

by Hobnail_Boot on Jan 12, 2009 1:39 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course he came back

He’s not ready for the NFL.

by fotodog on Jan 12, 2009 7:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL.

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 12, 2009 10:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who Cares Anymore?

Give Florida their due. They are the victors. They don’t even consider us a real rival anymore. We have become what GT is to us…..we hate Florida, and they don’t even give us a second thought. They expect to win and we expect to lose.

Oh well, we still have Gymnastics.

by JEFFCODAWG on Jan 12, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, you're definitely still a rival.

Yes, we beat you senseless most of the time. But take comfort in the fact that we enjoy beating you over any other rival.

FSU is pretty high on the list too.

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 12, 2009 10:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The word "senseless" has no place in that first sentence

It was true in the ’90s. It is not true today.

While the Gators continue to have the upper hand, most of the games since 2001 have been very even. A decade ago, 49-10 was the rule. Now it is the exception.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 12, 2009 11:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, there have been a lot of close games.

Still, something snapped when those Bad Dawgs danced around in the endzone in 2007. We’re gonna be angry about that for a long, long time. And I fully expect future Gator players to be briefed on “The Incident”.

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 16, 2009 8:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that's the case, they need to grow up

Will they be briefed on the time outs last year, as well? That should have been payback enough . . . even assuming, probably incorrectly, that we were owed payback after the 1995 flea-flicker.

How ’bout if we just make this about winning a football game and not about making somebody else look bad? Can we maybe try being respectful rivals?

Also, if “something snapped” during the end zone celebration, why didn’t they use the next 50-odd minutes to get retribution by, you know, not losing?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 16, 2009 9:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry.

When it comes to the Bulldogs, I don’t claim to be 100% rational… and I don’t want to be.

Put it this way, I was pissed when we sat on the ball late in the 4th. It should have been 56-10. Better yet, the starting defense should have stayed in for a final of 56-3. Even then, I’m not sure Gator Nation is fully satisfied.

Total respect for you, T. Kyle, and your amazing blog. It’s one of the best around. I love reading it. But when it come to our athletic programs facing off, I hate your guts and no margin of victory is large enough! BRING ON THE 2009 WLOCP!

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 16, 2009 7:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You've got to be kidding me...

I was there in 1992 when after every time Garrison Hearst was tackled the Florida defenders did the Heisman pose. I was there in 1995 when Spurrier called a flea flicker just to humiliate Georgia at home. I was there in 1996 when the Florida players took a stuffed Bulldog toy, put it in a gators mouth, and walked up and down the sidelines showing it off for their fans and the television cameras for the entire 4th quarter. I was there in 2002 when Zook held a pep rally on the sidelines which involved the Florida team doing something VERY closely resembling the endzone dance that spilled out on to the field conveniently during a time out. I was there in 2003 when Lito Shepard planted a huge Gator flag at the 50 after the game.

Sorry Gator fans, but I’m not buying your self-righteousness. You think the 2007 celebration was bad sportsmanship? Fine. But don’t act like your team, coaches, and fans haven’t been involved in the same type of behavior for the better part of 15 years. Being the bully in Jacksonville isn’t your birthright and nothing shakes a bully more than the whipping boy fighting back. That’s what happened in 2007 and that’s what upset you so bad. Not the act itself, but that it signaled that UGA was tired of Florida thinking that the WLOCP was a Gator homecoming. As I’ve posted on my blog several times, I think Jacksonville has outlived its time and this series needs to go home and home. Hopefully if that happens, some semblance of civility will return to this rivalry….but I doubt it. GATA Dawgs!!

by UgaMatt on Jan 18, 2009 10:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is a difference

None of the above-referenced events, (as exaggerated as they may be – I was at all those games as well and don’t remember them being as big a deal), drew a penalty. I am not as offended as Gatorpilot by the 2007 endzone dance. I think it was a smart move on UGA’s part to make a statement and I also think it was a smart move on UF’s part to use it as motivation this past year.

I would be all for having the game leave Jacksonville and go home and home because it would open up an opportunity for both of us to schedule another quality opponent. I would even be in favor of keeping it neutral and alternate between Jax and GA Dome. I don’t think the venue really has anything to do with it though.

by skigator93 on Jan 19, 2009 2:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of Course

Of course you don’t remember them as a big deal….you were on the winning side. The reason I hate Spurrier so much doesn’t have that much to do with what happened on the field. A lot of those years the talent gap was just staggering and there would have been no way for Florida couldn’t have blown our doors off. I hate Spurrier b/c he played the media and did more to perpetuate this notion of UGA as a second-rate program than anyone. The media, always looking for a soundbite, took it and ran with it. Spurrier understood the importance of UF beating UGA and did everything he could to change the mentality of the rivalry. He did, and we haven’t been able to change it back since.

I will say this, for all you Jacksonville supporters. Say Spurrier had come to UGA in 1989 and stayed for a few years. Do you think there is ANY way he would have continued to play the game in Jax every year, especially given all the comments he’s made over the years about not believing that UGA continues to go for that?

by UgaMatt on Jan 20, 2009 10:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hard to say

My guess is that he would have spun it a totally different way that appeared to favor UGA. But I also find it hard to believe that Spurrier would ever coach at UGA.

Jacksonville is a neutral site. It may be IN the state of Florida, but the tickets (and actual attendance) are divided right in half. UGA had no problem winning there during its streaks of dominance and the UGA faithful loved have a game in Jax so they could spend a few days playing golf and/or partying in St. Simons or other nearby spot.

UF would have absolutely no problem using its allotment of seats in a neutral GA Dome cocktail party. I would also venture to guess that no team has had as much success in the GA Dome than the Florida Gators.

by skigator93 on Jan 20, 2009 3:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neutrality is in the eye of the beholder

You lost me right after “It may be IN the state of Florida…”. UGA fans are the ones that get shafted on gas, travel, jacked up hotel rates, etc. Our school gets ridiculed in the national media for having that Friday off. The city of Jacksonville welcomes UGA fans for their money-no other reason, but let’s not kid ourselves, it’s a Gator town. And spare me the large Jax Bulldog club argument—that’s because in other areas the Bulldog clubs get broken up into several smaller ones. There’s nothing more infuriating to me than going down there, to a “neutral site”, dropping a few hundred dollars, then having everyone in the whole city pull out their Gator shit the next day and laugh at us. They realize they are laughing all the way to the bank and we’re the ones getting kicked in the nuts in the name of tradition.

Any competent, uninterested party would conceded that playing our biggest rival every year 90 minutes from their campus is patently ridiculous. This isn’t a response to our recent misfortunes down there. I thought this in 97, 04, and 07 as well. Basically, this situation would be analogous to UF playing LSU in NOLA every year, with the tickets split 50/50. Obviously, it would never be 50/50 because corporate tickets, city tickets, etc. would find their way to LSU fans. Much like what happens in Jax.

Florida fans love the game in Jax, Richt and Evans want it gone. That should tell everyone all they need to know. Florida fans in interested in what’s best for their team, and what’s good for them is bad for us. Therefore, if they don’t want the game to leave Jax., then it would seem to me that the sooner we get out of that contract, the better.

by UgaMatt on Jan 20, 2009 4:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your agruments are flawed

You wrongfully assume that the entire Gator Nation is in Jacksonville which is in the extreme northeast corner of the state. In fact, one of the chief reasons the game is played is in Jacksonville is because of south Georgia UGA alumni BOOSTERS, who wanted a game that they didn’t have to travel 5 hours to see. A large part of Gator Nation is in South Florida, which is the same distance from Jax than the Metro Atlanta area.

Trust me when I say that Florida fans are spending just as much on hotels, restaurants, etc. in Jacknsonville that weekend as UGA fans.

I also believe that it is a fact that the Jacksonville Bulldog club is the largest UGA alumni club outside the State of Georgia.

Your corporate ticket advantage also holds no water. Since you’ve been to Jax multiple times, you KNOW that the crowd is 50/50. It is not 70/30, 60/40, etc. Do you not think that there are a few “corporate connections” to Jacksonville companies in Atlanta? The argument that it is a home game for Florida just isn’t true. You say you thought this in ‘97, ’04, 07, but that really doesn’t prove anything – as those were UGA’s victories in the midst of a huge 20 year slump. you likely were not around during the 80s or other earlier periods when UGA absolutely dominated this series.

Your argument that it would be “analogous to UF playing LSU in NOLA every year, with the tickets split 50/50” also is erroneous. UF has no significant presence in New Orleans and New Orleans is the only large city in the State of Louisiana. Jacksonville is several notches down the line of major cities in Florida.

Like I said, I would be fine alternating between Jacksonville and Atlanta. By far the largest Gator alumni club outside the State of Florida is the Atlanta Gator Club, which several thousand members. UF would have no problem selling our 36,000 allotted tickets. I don’t think that Richt and Evans want to leave Jax too badly or else why would they keep renewing the contract? It’s not like UF is making you sign.

Gators love the GA Dome. We are 6-2 lifetime there. We also won a couple SEC basketball titles and a basketball National Championship there. We’re fine playing you there.

by skigator93 on Jan 20, 2009 4:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate to side against my own kind . . .

. . . but a reasonable argument is a reasonable argument, regardless of whether it’s coming from someone who wears orange and blue.

The tickets are split half and half, and, although I haven’t been there in several years, every one of the several Georgia-Florida games I attended was divided 50/50 in the stands.

Jacksonville is readily accessible to the many South Georgia fans of the Bulldogs who find it increasingly difficult to attend home games in Athens, as noon, 12:30, and 1:00 kickoffs have become fewer and fewer while late afternoon and night games have become more prevalent due to television.

Although I am a native North Georgian, my family hails from South Georgia and I can attest to the effect this change has had. Dad and I used to go to three or four games together a year, and we’d see other relatives almost every week; now, it’s not uncommon for him to make it only to one game, and I seldom see extended family in Sanford Stadium any longer. Georgia fans from the metro Atlanta area may not fully appreciate how important the Jacksonville site is to South Georgia fans, now more than ever.

Furthermore, an annual game in the Sunshine State provides Georgia with a beachhead in a fertile recruiting ground. As Paul Westerdawg has pointed out, Mark Richt has expressed his dislike for the Atlanta Sports Council’s decision to host games like last year’s Alabama-Clemson opener in the Georgia Dome, because it improves the ability of the out-of-state teams that play there to recruit the Peach State.

Keeping the Cocktail Party in Jacksonville similarly bolsters the Bulldogs’ ability to attract recruits in North Florida, which is reason enough for keeping the game there, even aside from more than three-quarters of a century of tradition.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 20, 2009 9:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I totally forgot about the recruiting angle

But Kyle is absolutely right. Saban and Alabama have made no secret of the fact that they welcome the opportunity to play in the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Classic in the Georgia Dome in order to increase their recruiting presence in Georgia, one of the best high school football factory states in the country.

by skigator93 on Jan 21, 2009 12:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm used to being a minority on this issue...

so it’s fine. We’ll all just agree to disagree. However, I do need someone to explain to me how going into an area and getting OWNED for the better part of 20 years HELPS you recruit that area. If you lose enough times, what you are is a loser. Like it or not, that’s what what we are to any recruits in the North Florida area.

 You do realize that recruits today have seen GA beat FL 3 times during their entire lives, right? I’m from South GA, so I understand that argument too. But there’s no reason that we couldn’t schedule a game in Jax, much like Alabama is doing in Atlanta. Just don’t make it against our biggest freakin’ rival. Hell, the flexibility that would open up in both UGA and UF’s schedules would probably make something like that easier.

For 80 of their first 100 years, UF’s program was a joke. That’s why we didn’t care about playing them in their backyard. I think we can all agree those days aren’t coming back. Continuing to go down there, get kicked in the nuts, and act like we it’s something to be proud makes no sense to me.

by UgaMatt on Jan 22, 2009 4:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Self-righteous!!?? Get a grip!

I guess you don’t call what Vince Dooley did back in the 60’s unsportmanlike either, eh??
Spurrier hates UGA for what he did and he vowed if he ever got a chance to pay UGA back, he would and he did. It’s football guys, not a beauty pageant. If you get blasted, just accept it. If you can’t stop the other team, just accept it and go out and stop them. We didn’t do that last year after the dance. You guys danced and then used our faces as mops the rest of the game. We had to accept it.
I’m actually glad you guys did the endzone dance because it lit a fire under Urban Meyer that he didn’t have before. He’s was raised in the Big 10—and hadn’t lost to UGA in his first 2 years so he really didn’t have an appreciation for the Gator-Dog hatred until that endzone thing. All he had been hearing about in his first two years was beat Tenn, beat FSU and beat Spurrier at South Carolina.

by GATORQUEDOG on Jan 19, 2009 6:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a valid point

The dance did turn Meyer into a UGA hater and I agree that he didn’t understand the rivalry before then.

I don’t think he “gets” FSU either, but that is just because they have been down since he arrived at UF. It is a bitter rivalry.

by skigator93 on Jan 19, 2009 7:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

I think you may be right about Meyer and FSU as well.

by GATORQUEDOG on Jan 19, 2009 7:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"What Vince Dooley did back in the 60's"?

Enlighten me.

What did the father of the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and the king of refusing to run up the score ever do to the Gators except beat them?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2009 7:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What Dooley did.

1968—
With uga up 48-0 and only seconds remaining in the game—Mr. Dooley calls a timeout and allows a center, who hadn’t kicked a fg since high school, to come in a kick a fg to make the final score 51-0. I’m sure the older uga fans remember it well as does Dooley. So he can play the “i’m an upstanding, no-nonsense, great sportsman type coach” all he wants—the truth is right there. That’s why Spurrier hates uga. So this so-called “running up the score” deal was started by Mr. Dooley himself.

by GATORQUEDOG on Jan 19, 2009 8:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

Is Spurrier mad at us over last year’s end zone celebration, too?

Spurrier’s playing days ended in 1966. If he’s upset about what happened two years after he finished college, he should consider therapy . . . or at least an appearance on “The View.”

By the way, you’ve got your facts a bit mismatched there. The Bulldogs’ starters ran all of one series in the second half. A minute and three seconds into the third quarter, Georgia led 41-0. The Red and Black scored ten points in the final 28:57.

After the opening drive of the second half, Coach Dooley emptied the bench. The player you describe was sophomore Pete Rajecki, the barefooted kicker who replaced starting placekicker Jim McCullough when the first team was benched once the game got out of hand.

Rajecki wasn’t a center, he was the backup kicker and he was in the game not to run it up, but because the starters had been pulled early in the third quarter. Before the field goal you mentioned, Rajecki kicked the last extra point that made the score 48-0.

Finally, and most importantly, Coach Dooley didn’t call a timeout with “only seconds remaining in the game.” Using only subs, the ’Dawgs drove the ball to the Florida five yard line, where Rajecki kicked a field goal with 5:29 remaining in the game.

That’s right . . . there were five and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter. Unless by “only seconds remaining in the game” you mean “only 329 seconds remaining in the game,” you’re simply mistaken. If Spurrier or any other Florida fan takes that personally, then U.F. needs to pour more money into beefing up its math department.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2009 8:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Regardless

48-0 and you call a timeout to kick a fg?? This wasn’t the Bull-C-S era where margin of victory mattered. Any way you wanna slice it—Mr. Dooley ran the score up and wanted to break the 50 mark. Spurrier wanted to break 50 in Athens and did it. And yeah, Spurrier was gone; however, he was only two years removed so he still had strong ties with many players and coaches on that team.
But hey, like I said in the other post, it’s football—if you don’t want to get embarrassed, then go out and stop the other team from scoring.
If Dooley had 2nd and 3rd teamers in and was running his regular offense and we couldn’t stop you and you scored—then great for you.
I wasn’t there, but I’m sure it would not have resonated the same if uga runs it’s regular offense and scores a td because we just couldn’t stop them.

by GATORQUEDOG on Jan 19, 2009 9:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The volume I consulted . . .

. . . was Cale Conley’s War Between the States, which doesn’t mention a timeout, so I’m not sure if one was called or not. If it was, though, it was either (a) to get the field goal unit onto the field or (b) to decide whether to go for the touchdown or kick the field goal. The first is simply running an orderly sideline. The second would mean Coach Dooley was trying to keep the margin of victory down rather than increase it.

Face it . . . clinging to the timeout in the face of the revelations that it was a kicker and not a center, it was with five and a half minutes to go rather than with mere seconds to go, and it was after the first team had been pulled one series into the second half is just a desperate effort to prop up the illusion that Steve Spurrier was exacting revenge all those years. Believing that based on the fourth-quarter field goal in 1968 is like believing Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction.

There’s no “regardless” to it; you recited “facts” which are not true and I proved that the whole basis for your belief is just plain wrong. You don’t yank your starters with nearly 29 minutes remaining in the game if you’re looking to run it up or rub it in; Coach Dooley called off the ‘Dawgs. If that show of class (rather than being beaten in the 1966 Cocktail Party and not being hired to succeed Coach Dooley in 1989, which are the real motivations behind the Evil Genius’s contempt for Georgia) made Spurrier so vengeful, he’s even more of an S.O.B. than I always thought he was.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2009 9:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Being beaten in '66 (and other years of his playing career)?

Yes. But being snubbed by UGA? Give me a break!

I’ve always wondered this about Mr. Conley. He’s a “Double Dawg” if I’m not mistaken, right? So I understand his interest in the subject matter of The War Between the States on the UGA/UF rivalry. But why did he author his other book (“Sunshine Hate?” I believe)? I would have thought a UGA/GA Tech book would be more fitting.

by skigator93 on Jan 19, 2009 10:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It had already been written

Bill Cromartie invented the genre with Clean Old-Fashioned Hate. I haven’t talked to Cale about it, but my surmise is that, while he was doing the research for Georgia-Florida, he decided to kill two birds with one stone and cover the (comparatively younger) rivalry between Florida and Florida State while he was at it.

Don’t get me wrong . . . I know full well that, if Spurrier had been hired at Georgia in 1989, we’d have had him for one year. Obviously, he would have returned to Gainesville in 1990, no matter where he was coaching when “mama called.”

Maybe it’s just a vicious rumor, but Spurrier clearly is a notorious holder of grudges and he certainly seemed to hold it against Kentucky that he was denied a job there (as an assistant, I believe) years before. The widespread belief that he was mad about being passed over for Ray Goff in 1989 when he was clearly the better candidate and was toiling away at Duke, of all places, doesn’t seem at all unreasonable . . . particularly considering how the obverse clearly is true (e.g., he continues to hold such a soft spot in his heart for Duke that he voted the Blue Devils in his preseason top 25 every year until he was asked not to do so any longer).

Even if that belief is wrong—-and it may well be—-it certainly holds more water than the Dooley-ran-it-up-in-’68 theory, which is based on assertions of fact which we know to be false.

Bottom line? In his Heisman Trophy-winning senior year, Steve Spurrier was battered into submission by Georgia’s defense. The Bulldogs captured the 1966 S.E.C. title that Spurrier coveted because the Red and Black beat the Saurians in Jacksonville and it still burns him.

1966, not 1968, is what made the Ol’ Ball Coach hate the ‘Dawgs so . . . and Vince Dooley didn’t run it up that day, he (or, more accurately, Erk Russell) just led his team to a win.

If you’re a Georgia Tech fan and you want to say Vince Dooley ran it up in ‘81, you’ve got a fair point, although maybe your players and fans ought to have behaved a little better if they hadn’t been ready to bear the consequences of their childishness. Anyone else who says Vince Dooley introduced poor sportsmanship into a rivalry game is selling something silly that no sensible person should buy.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2009 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are in agreement on Spurrier

Although I didn’t know he sought the UGA job in 89. Was he interviewed by UGA? I just couldn’t imagine him having any interest in coaching a team he loathed – for the reason you point out – the ’66 game in Jax. And I think we all agree that Spurrier holds grudges – that is clear.

I will have to disagree that taking on a field goal in the 4th quarter of a 48-0 game shouldn’t be considered running up the score. I have already made it clear on this board and others that I never complain about running up the score – it is the defense’s job to stop ‘em. But Meyer received all kinds of grief this year for “running up the score” against Miami by kicking a late field goal in a much closer game (although already decided) with a senior first year kicker who had virtually no game experience. Plus it was during the BCS era when “style points” count. I think if Meyer would have kicked a field goal late in this season’s game to push the UF total over 50, then you would be singing a much different tune.

I know that Dooley was not about beating down an opponent and often used to laugh about how much he inflated a clearly inferior opponent before the games (I remember once during the 1980 season he remarked that Vandy had a great kicking game and UGA would have to be ready for that!). Maybe he was thinking a FG would be better than if they scored a TD? Who knows? But it sure looks kinda bad.

by skigator93 on Jan 19, 2009 10:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What was he supposed to do?

There were over five minutes left in the game; he couldn’t take a knee.

The subs had gotten to the five yard line. His only other choice was to go for it on fourth down and not get it, but, even then, he’d have been accused of trying to run it up by going for it.

His team was up 41-0 early in the third quarter and he pulled his starters. That’s all you can expect a guy to do. That isn’t remotely the same as calling a flea flicker in the fourth quarter.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 20, 2009 9:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He could have run the ball up the middle

If we fail to stop a fullback dive, so be it. Kicking a FG is just tacking on points in a blowout.

by skigator93 on Jan 20, 2009 9:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LMAO!!

I guess your resource is the gospel—Just as my info came directly from someone who witnessed the game.
Will you guys ever get over good ole “Stevie Genious”!!?? Okay, he hung 50 in Athens and turned the series in our direction. Did he have some great one-liners—of course—most great coaches do—if I was in his shoes, and felt my coaches and teammates were disrespected by good ole Dooley, would I seek revenge if given the opportunity against my biggest rival-of course I would—most real competitors would -just as we exacted some revenge this year for the dance. But it’s hilarious how a whole state can hate 1 man so much and you talk about holding grudges-how hypocritical.
But true to the red and black—uga fans have a hard time facing realities sometimes.

by GATORQUEDOG on Jan 19, 2009 10:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh Oh

Here we go again. I think what he meant to say is “thanks for having me on your site and allowing me to express my views about your most hated rival. I apologize in advance for the times that I get a little too excited and say things that may offend your regular members.”

by skigator93 on Jan 19, 2009 11:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LAUGHING

No ill-intent intended T-Kyle or Skigator. Just pointing out that “unsportsmanship” or the “appearance of unsportsmanship”, whether real or imagined has kind of gone both ways.
But what is still funny to me is the hate for good ole Stevie!! Maybe it’s his voice or that little smirk he has whenever he talks.

by GATORQUEDOG on Jan 19, 2009 11:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, my resource is the gospel

Cale spent a year researching and writing War Between the States and his recital of the facts is based on contemporary newspaper accounts and school records showing such basic facts as when events occurred during the course of a game.

Your information came from someone who is remembering events from 40 years ago. I think I’m going to go with primary source research over 40-year-old fallible memory from a partisan point of view.

If you’re going to question the veracity of meticulous research because it happens to conflict with your particular prejudices, maybe you should steer clear of accusing anyone of having “a hard time facing realities.”

You defended a petty grudge based on assertions of fact which have been proven wrong. You can either cling to cognitive dissonance and be insulting from a discredited position of weakness or you can man up and apologize for your mistake. That’s the reality. Face it.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 20, 2009 9:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't know about the Dooley years...

…but from this Dawg’s point of view, the difference between dancing in the end zone after the first score in a game and taking successive time outs to draw out a lopsided victory is that the former was done out of a sense of freaking jubilation that you scored first against your (currently) biggest rival, while the latter was done strictly to pour salt in a wound.

I might have been offended had Tech celebrated in the end zone after the first time they scored in, say, ’06, but more likely I would have patted them on the head and said “Good for you. Now bend over.”

by wqueenjr on Jan 22, 2009 2:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UGA is still

One of our 3 biggest games every year – along with LSU and FSU.
Tennessee has fallen off a bit because they haven’t been really competitive in a few years, but they will be back. FSU is of course like Tech is for yall – always a big game regardless of their team quality in any given year.

by skigator93 on Jan 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A bold prediction

Gators will not go undefeated next season.

by Lakepoets on Jan 14, 2009 6:41 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not so bold

Why should next season be any different from every other season in Florida football history since 1911?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 7:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm impressed...

… that you knew our 1911 squad went undefeated! Good for you.

This being the SEC, going undefeated isn’t really the goal — it’s surving and advancing. Which the Gators have done as well as you can do for two out of the past three years!

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by Gatorpilot on Jan 17, 2009 6:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You should be proud of your team's accomplishments . . .

. . . and equally proud of the accomplishments of the teams whose upset victories made it possible for yours to compete for the highest prize in a system which would not have guaranteed your team of a national title for roughly the first 130 years of college football history!

Judging by Tim Tebow’s tearful declaration after the Ole Miss game, I think you’re alone in your belief that “going undefeated isn’t really the goal.”

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 17, 2009 8:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are proud of both

Whether we like it or not – we are all stuck in the same system. You can either play it out and put yourself in a position to play for championships, or you can be like Texas and whine.

by skigator93 on Jan 19, 2009 2:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100% agree . . .

. . . which is why I argued a year ago that we had no more gripe in 2007 than Michigan had in 2006.

We didn’t win the game that would have put us in position to play for it and Tennessee didn’t lose the games that would have gotten us back into it. When you don’t take care of your own business, you’re at the mercy of the system.

Sometimes you get the breaks, and sometimes you don’t, but making the most of your second chances doesn’t mean you deserved your second chances in the first place.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2009 4:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are right about that

But last year was sort of unique in that there were not even enough 1 loss teams, let alone undefeated teams! I think any 2 loss team could have made an argument last season, including UGA. .

by skigator93 on Jan 19, 2009 7:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, but we didn't win our conference . . .

. . . and, while we tied for first place in the division, we lost—-badly—-to the other first-place finisher, which quite properly won the head-to-head tiebreaker.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 19, 2009 7:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you looked.....

at the gator schedule? They may be looking for discounts airfare to Pasadena as I type.

Sat. Sept. 5 Charleston Southern
Sat. Sept. 12 Troy
Sat. Sept. 19 Tennessee
Sat. Sept. 26 at Kentucky (Lexington KY)
Sat. Oct. 10 at LSU (Baton Rouge LA)
Sat. Oct. 17 Arkansas (Homecoming)
Sat. Oct. 24 at Mississippi State (Starkville MS)
Sat. Oct. 31 Georgia (Jacksonville FL)
Sat. Nov. 7 Vanderbilt
Sat. Nov. 14 at South Carolina (Columbia SC)
Sat. Nov. 21 Florida International
Sat. Nov. 28 Florida State (Senior Day)
Sat. Dec. 5 SEC Championship Game (Atlanta GA) 4:00 P.M. CBS

by JRL on Jan 14, 2009 11:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen

Our schedule is absolutely pathetic next year on all accounts. Not only do we play 3 weak OOC games (out of whom, only Troy is semi-respectible, but barely so – they play tough competition, but rarely win those games, or even put up much of a fight), but our western rotation has caused us to roll off Ole Miss in favor of Miss St. Bleccch.

With that schedule, there is absolutely no room for error, as any loss will knock us out of contention for the crown because any other 1 loss team would have a tougher schedule. There will be a ton of pressure. I think possible pitfalls are @ LSU (always tough to win in the Bayou), @ Miss. St. (we seem to always struggle with the MS teams), UGA and possibly FSU. No to say we couldn’t lose any of the others, but I feel better about them.

Hopefully, we’ll get “lucky” on the injury front, and our outrageous number of returning starters from what I beleive is the best UF team of all time, will be enough to overcome the pressure.

That being said, I am not booking any postseason flights.

by skigator93 on Jan 14, 2009 11:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Smart move

The Gators are the obvious preseason No. 1 team and it is doubtful that they will have enough injuries and lack of leadership to fall out of that position the way some other preseason No. 1 teams I could name did.

However, an S.E.C. schedule is an S.E.C. schedule. L.S.U. clearly addressed this year’s problems with the anointing of a new starting quarterback and the hiring of a good defensive coordinator. Florida has struggled mightily with the Mississippi schools in the Magnolia State since the early ’90s. Florida State is improved. Georgia gets an open date before the Cocktail Party. Some S.E.C. team will surprise us with its resurgence . . . maybe Tennessee, maybe Arkansas.

Right now, Florida would be and should be favored to win every one of those games, but there’s many a slip between the cup and the lip . . . and even a wire-to-wire No. 1 has to get through a conference championship game and a tough date in Pasadena. If I was penciling any team in, it would be Florida, but, a year ago, everyone was penciling Georgia in, as well. For every U.S.C., there’s a potential Stanford; for every would-be Florida, there’s a prospective Ole Miss. Don’t count your chickens before they’ve hatched.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 12:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely won't

I think you’ll admit there is a big difference between UGA’s schedule last season (at least looking at it preseason when it looked like the toughest schedule in the land) and the schedule printed up above.

I did not have UGA penciled in this year – not because I didn’t think you weren’t loaded with talent – but because I thought your schedule was too brutal to run the table. I did tell friends before the season that I thought Jacksonville would pretty much be the national title game…

by skigator93 on Jan 14, 2009 1:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UGA's 2009 schedule

Will likely be more difficult than 2008 was. I thought that before the season, and I certainly think that’s the case now that some teams on the 2008 schedule (Auburn and Arizona State come to mind) turned out to be less challenging than most of us thought. Bama rolls off in favor of Arkansas (but in Fayetteville) and we get LSU at home, but we open with Oklahoma State in Stillwater and GT and UF will be at least as tough as they were this past year.

by NCT on Jan 14, 2009 8:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It appears to be pretty comparable to me

I do think UGA will benefit next season in not having the big #1 target on your back. You will be able to sneak up on teams who may think you’ll be really down because of all the NFL losses.

by skigator93 on Jan 14, 2009 10:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While we don't know how good these teams will be . . .

. . . there’s no question the non-conference slate is tougher, with Oklahoma State, Arizona State, and Georgia Tech all on the schedule and two of them being played on the road.

The No. 1 ranking didn’t end up being much of a target. We didn’t lose during the brief period that we were ranked No. 1 and we didn’t particularly seem to get anyone’s best game during that stretch, either.

What, precisely, are we going to do to those teams after sneaking up on them? Sneaking up on someone only matters if you bring something to the table with which to deliver the knockout blow once you’ve caught someone by surprise. Georgia didn’t play a complete game in all three phases of the game, and played darned few complete games in two of the three phases of the game, all season. The element of surprise is only helpful if you don’t suck.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Jan 14, 2009 11:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know you are down on the Dawgs now

But keep the faith – sometimes teams play better when the expectations aren’t as high and there are fewer stars, thereby requiring a total team effort.

by skigator93 on Jan 15, 2009 1:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

I’m not down on a 10 win team with the injuries we had this year. What’s frustrating to most GA fans I think is that this was the most Donnan-like of Richt’s teams. It will be interesting to see next year if Richt is able to get the team back to the “finish the drill” mentality of his first few years or not. I know Spurrier used to say that after a few years, kids stop listening to you anyway. Well, hopefully he was wrong (I think he is) and Richt can 2005 some people this year.

by UgaMatt on Jan 15, 2009 8:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Point to Ponder

Moving the “unsportsmanlike” argument from the 60’s and 90’s to this century, please CONSIDER this: The most unsportsmanlike thing that Richt has been accused of is encouraging his team to celebrate. He has said early and often that he MEANT the team on the field NOT the ENTIRE team. Exuberance took over and we got what we did: two penalties and much bad blood. (Also, Richt apologized when he realized that this was taken the way that it was by so many UF fans as well as coaches.) Mr. Meyer has been accused both of running up the score AND calling timeouts where they were clearly not needed. Both of these activities are questionable at best. Our coach was trying to motivate his team. The other guy was trying to denigrate his opponent. Which one is more unsportsmanlike? I wonder if any Gator fans will acknowledge that there is a difference.

by Lakepoets on Jan 25, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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