Week Two BlogPoll Ballot Submitted
Since there’s not apt to be much in the way of suspense in the wake of my postgame observations following the Bulldogs’ win over Central Michigan, I’m going to skip the gristle and get straight to the bone. Below is my BlogPoll ballot for this week, which I compiled without reference to any other set of rankings other than my own ballot of one week before.
Here, in my humble opinion, are the top 25 teams in the land:
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Georgia | 2 |
| 2 | Southern Cal | 1 |
| 3 | Oklahoma | 2 |
| 4 | Missouri | 3 |
| 5 | Ohio State | 3 |
| 6 | Florida | 2 |
| 7 | LSU | 1 |
| 8 | Penn State | 1 |
| 9 | Texas | 1 |
| 10 | California | 7 |
| 11 | Oregon | -- |
| 12 | East Carolina | 13 |
| 13 | Arizona State | 1 |
| 14 | Wisconsin | 1 |
| 15 | Auburn | 5 |
| 16 | Alabama | 3 |
| 17 | South Florida | 5 |
| 18 | Boise State | -- |
| 19 | UCLA | -- |
| 20 | Brigham Young | 6 |
| 21 | Nebraska | -- |
| 22 | Fresno State | -- |
| 23 | Kansas | 1 |
| 24 | Oklahoma State | 2 |
| 25 | Texas Tech | 2 |
One-fifth of last week’s ranked teams did not play this weekend: No. 1 Southern California, No. 6 Louisiana State, No. 18 Boise State, No. 19 U.C.L.A., and No. 22 Fresno State. At the bottom of my ballot, inertia kept the idle teams steady; at the top of my ballot, the inability of the Trojans and the Bayou Bengals to impress me cost both teams one spot in the rankings, due to the superior play of some of the teams ranked near them.
Georgia reclaimed the No. 1 ranking the ‘Dawgs held on my preseason ballot and Oklahoma moved up two spots on the strength of a convincing win over a respectable Cincinnati squad. The Sooners failed to overtake the Men of Troy because O.U. took a while to get going, holding only a 21-13 halftime lead.
The other quality performance out of Big 12 country came from new No. 4 Missouri. Yes, it was just Southeast Missouri State, but the Tigers won the way they were supposed to win, holding a 42-point advantage at intermission before closing out the contest with a 52-3 victory. The fact that Illinois beat Eastern Illinois in the expected manner helped bolster Mizzou’s initial win, as well.
Slow starts by Texas (which led U.T.E.P. by one point after one quarter) and Texas Tech (which led Nevada 14-9 at the break) caused the Longhorns and the Red Raiders to lose ground, but Kansas earned a slight bump by shutting out a Louisiana Tech squad that upset a B.C.S. conference opponent one week earlier and Oklahoma State solidly outdistanced a Houston squad that posed a legitimate threat.

The Cowboys are able to say, "Houston? We have no problem." This helped Oklahoma State in the rankings, but it would have detracted substantially from the dramatic tension of "Apollo 13."
Honestly, I probably was generous to Ohio State, seeing as how the Buckeyes trailed the Bobcats 14-12 after three quarters, but we’ll know a week from now whether Jim Tressel’s squad was merely looking ahead or is genuinely overrated. My money is on genuinely overrated, but we shall see.
Similarly, I dinged Florida after a second straight lackluster effort in the early going which was papered over by Urban Meyer’s lack of class. The Saurians led the hapless Hurricanes 9-3 after three periods and only put it to Miami (Florida) in the final frame, which saw Tim Tebow under center in the closing seconds. When the mighty Gators do something genuinely impressive---like, say, score ten points in the first quarter---I’ll take notice.
Penn State rose slightly after dominating Oregon State in an outing in which the Nittany Lions held a 35-7 halftime edge. California likewise leapt up, claiming a spot in the top ten after going on the road and manhandling Washington State. The Cougars are a team of questionable quality, but, when you’re up on a conference opponent in his house by a 42-3 margin after two quarters, you’ve done something substantial.
My No. 11 ranking remained the property of Oregon, inasmuch as the Ducks took care of Utah State exactly as expected, but South Florida took a dive after needing overtime to get by Central Florida. The Bulls’ spot in the top twelve went to East Carolina. No, I don’t think the Pirates are that good, but who has a better set of season-opening wins than E.C.U. and what about the teams ranked right behind Skip Holtz’s squad suggests that any of them would beat the Pirates on a neutral field next Saturday?

Plus which, one of ESPN’s crackpot crack analysts informed me that East Carolina is a legitimate national championship contender.
A 41-17 win over an improved Stanford club allowed Arizona State to inch incrementally upwards, but the Sun Devils’ comparatively narrow halftime lead prevented them from vaulting higher. The same held true for Wisconsin, which battered Marshall by a 51-14 final margin yet led by a field goal at the break.
Both Yellowhammer State schools slipped a bit after less than compelling performances against overmatched opposition. A 27-13 home win over Southern Miss caused Auburn to fall from tenth to 15th and a 20-6 home win over Tulane resulted in Alabama’s drop from 13th to 16th.
I considered ranking Brigham Young a week ago, but, after the Cougars claimed a victory (however ill-gotten) over Washington in a game I expected B.Y.U. to lose, I granted the Cougs admission to my top 20. Brigham Young took the place of in-state rival Utah, which fell out of my rankings after the Utes were deadlocked with U.N.L.V. after two quarters. (It didn’t help that Utah’s win over Michigan was devalued considerably by a second straight poor performance by the Wolverines.)
A 35-12 home win over San Jose State allowed Nebraska to hold steady because, honestly, I don’t yet know what to make of the Cornhuskers and the alternative probably was to rank Wake Forest, which I am not yet prepared to do. Finally, after being stomped by East Carolina, West Virginia fell off the board entirely. It’s simply too early in the season to be ranking teams with losses; that will change a week from now, when the loser of the Ohio State-Southern California matchup will retain a spot in the top 25 despite the blemish on the Buckeyes’ its record.

Yep . . . whichever team coached by this guy happens to win that game, the loser still will be ranked. (Photograph by Gus Ruelas/Associated Press.)
I watched the South Carolina-Vanderbilt game on Thursday night and the Ball State-Navy game on Friday night. On Saturday, I attended the Georgia-Central Michigan game, where I saw bits and pieces of the Boston College-Georgia Tech, Auburn-Southern Miss, and Ohio (Ohio)-Ohio State games in passing. I remained in Sanford Stadium until the end and arrived home in time to catch the fourth quarter of the Florida-Miami (Florida) face-off. After that, I watched Texas-U.T.E.P. until halftime, at which point I went to bed.
As always, the above is my ballot, representing my views, however unhinged, but I remain open to sufficiently persuasive arguments, so feel free to try changing my mind before the final voting deadline. (I can, but probably won’t, change my ballot up until Wednesday morning.)
By this time next week, virtually every major Division I-A team will have played at least one legitimate opponent, with the notable exception of Florida State. (An open date on Labor Day weekend followed by back-to-back Division I-AA squads? Weak.) Consequently, next Sunday evening is apt to be one of those times when I start with a clean white sheet of paper when compiling my ballot. Your arguments for or against particular teams will be most welcome in next Saturday’s game day open comment thread.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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Wake Forest
You say you’re not yet prepared to rank Wake Forest, and I think you should look back at the games they’ve played.
As I recall, you’re a proponent of resume ranking, or at least incorporate it into your methodology. Wake Forest is one of only two teams to go 2-0 against BCS conference competition and not be included on your ballot, with wins over Baylor and Ole Miss. (The other team is Northwestern, who’s beaten Duke and Syracuse.)
If you really consider that a worse resume than Nebraska’s (and Fresno’s, Kansas’s, OkState’s and TTU’s), then fair enough, but I encourage you to think about whether you’re making the mistake pollsters are wont to make, and which bloggers often chide them for: making a decision and sticking with it despite on-the-field evidence. In this case, the decision that the ACC is awful top-to-bottom.
I also think, although you may disagree, that teams should be rewarded for scheduling and playing “real” opponents from the get-go, rather than enjoying cupcakes before getting to the meat of the schedule.
by Ramblin Jeff on Sep 8, 2008 8:34 AM EDT 0 recs
Jeff, it's not my ballot . . .
but I would hasten to point out that a win over Baylor is historically a win over a BCS conference opponent in only the most technical sense. Year in and year out, Baylor is putrid and a decisive win over them merely means that you’re average.
And Ole Miss was a cellar-dweller in the SEC breaking in a new coach and quarterback. Wake needed a last minute field goal to beat them at home.. That’s just flat unimpressive to me. Now Tech’s win over Boston College was something different. It was ugly, to be sure, but it was a win against a favored team while breaking in a new offense. I don’t often say this, but right now Georgia Tech may be a more impressive football team than Wake Forest, if we’re resume ranking (which I don’t. I just have my capuchin monkey Jimbo Joker Paterno throw darts at a board.)
by MaconDawg on
Sep 8, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
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Your point is well taken,
I just want to make sure Kyle isn’t wearing blinders to the ACC in general after deciding the conference is garbage. (Not that I don’t partially agree.)
by Ramblin Jeff on
Sep 8, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
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That's a fair criticism, Jeff
I will be taking a fresh look next week.
I am sure the A.C.C. will do something to redeem itself. Really, it can’t get any worse.
If it does, the league should disband, or go to basketball-only. In the meantime, I’ll be starting from scratch next week. If there’s any team at which I need to take a look, please state your case in next Saturday’s game day open comment thread.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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ECU our biggest worry?
Now that East Carolina has won their 2 toughest games, could they knock the Dawgs out of playing for a MNC if we lose only 1? It could get ugly!
Kyle, my cousin, please note my name change.
It's a gas, gas, gas.
by Keith Richards on Sep 8, 2008 8:48 AM EDT 0 recs
Duly (or is that Dooley?) noted
I figured that was you, Elmo Scotty.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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Okay, seriously
Bang on the Gators all you want about slow start. That’s fine, they’ve earned that criticism. Talk about the final score against Miami being misleading. That’s fair, because in many ways it was. Want to object with Urban Meyer’s risk management policies regarding starters and injuries? Fire away.
Enough with the “lack of class” stuff. The game is 60 minutes long, and you keep playing for all of them. End of story.
by Year2 on Sep 8, 2008 10:37 AM EDT 0 recs
When you're right. . .
Although I am loath to say so (because it means I’m disagreeing with Kyle and agreeing with a Florida fan), I’ve got to agree with “Year2” on this one. I’ve never understood why to some it is deemed poor sportsmanship for a coach to have his players try their best even in the face of withering opposition. It might be unwise to play one’s first-stringers where the victory is not in doubt (I think it is), but I do not think it evil or even an act lacking in class. That is especially true where, in the BCS era, style points matter and poundings of whatever ilk earn style points. By the same token, it is certainly charitable for a coach to have his team let up when the other side is getting whipped like a stubborn mule, but it should not be expected. If there are life lessons to be learned by the young men who play these games — and I think there are — I certainly have no qualms with “When you have defeated your opponent, you need not embarrass him.” But I also have no problems with, “You need to win because you can’t expect anybody to let up on you.” Good sportsmanship is about being a good loser, too. To me, saying the other guy is bad because he “ran up the score” smacks of excuse-making (i.e. whining), and I’d rather have my guys learn to take an obliterating defeat like men and then use whatever feelings they have (e.g. shame? anger?) as motivations to try harder next time.
by College Buddy on
Sep 8, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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No one said to quit playing
Joe Cox kept playing on Saturday. So did Richard Samuel. Lots and lots of Georgia freshmen played against Georgia Southern.
I don’t quarrel with a coach like Steve Spurrier running it up, as much as I disliked it when he did it to my team. Coach Spurrier was man enough to take it when what went around came around; he asked for no quarter from Nebraska when the ’Huskers laid a 62-24 whipping on him in the national championship game. (If memory serves, the Evil Genius was even seen pinwheeling his arm, Pete Townshend-style, to signal to Tom Osborne that he did not expect, or even want, Dr. Tom to let up on him.)
Urban Meyer wants it both ways, though. He wants to be able to whine about last year’s end zone celebration—-to the point of writing a book in which he complains about it—-even though Georgia suffered the requisite penalty for its unsportsmanlike act (twice, as there were two flags for 30 yards).
However, he also wants to have his star quarterback on the field in the final minutes of the game, flinging it downfield in an effort to embarrass an opponent and cover the point spread. For this, there is no immediate retribution.
I’m sorry, but it’s one or the other. Coach Meyer doesn’t get to complain about an end zone celebration for which the ’Dawgs were penalized immediately and appropriately if he refuses to hear complaining for his unsportsmanlike acts for which there are no short-term consequences.
I personally don’t think anyone ought to be either a bully or a crybaby, but, if a fellow has decided to be one, he ought to give up the right to be the other. Coach Meyer wants to be both, which is uncool, uncouth, and deserving of scorn. I have enough respect for you, Year2, to believe that, if we were talking about any coach other than your own, you’d agree with me. Steve Spurrier has earned my grudging respect; Urban Meyer is a hypocrite who deserves every criticism he gets. If he can’t stand the heat, he can go back to the M.A.C.
The bottom line is that, whenever you can kneel it out, you should kneel it out, and, if you don’t, you ought to be willing to accept the fact that some fans are going to voice legitimate complaints that you should have. If you’re not willing to accept that, you at least ought to quit whining about it when you’re on the receiving end of it.
Urban Crier wants to make sure the only one allowed to whine or to gloat is him. He wants to be able to dish it out without having to take it. I have no patience with people like that.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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First of all, Meyer did not write that book you’re referring to.
It was written by Buddy Martin, a longtime sports editor for newspapers such as the New York Daily News, the Denver Post, and two newspapers in Florida who now covers the Gators exclusively. Martin was given access to the program for the entirety of last season (including the part before the UF-UGA game) in order to write it, similar to how Michael Lewis got access to the Oakland Athletics for a period of time. Meyer no more wrote that book than Billy Beane wrote Moneyball.
Fact of the matter is, attempting to score when there’s any time left on the clock at all is so much a part of the game today that it’s hardly unsporting anymore, and it’s pretty much expected. Georgia under Mark Richt has been known to score with two minutes or one minute to go on the clock, and at least on two occasions I could find, a Georgia starter scored with less than a minute to go in blowouts over Georgia Southern and Vanderbilt. Richt was also on the FSU staff that ran up scores mercilessly throughout the ’90s.
I get that the on-field celebration last season was more than the coaches wanted and that only the 11 guys on the field were supposed to do anything. Richt still ordered his players to get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, which by definition requires an act of deliberate unsportsmanlike conduct. To date, Meyer has yet to tell his players to get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty deliberately; if he did at some point in the future, would that be more evidence of him being “classless” or would it be gamesmanship? Where do you draw that line?
Meyer keeps bringing it up because he is using it as motivation for the game this season. If he still talks about it after this year’s game is played (beyond the post-game press conference) then you will have all the reason in the world to call it whining and complaining.
by Year2 on
Sep 8, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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Year2,
I’m not going to go over your post indepth. This is a good well-reasoned discussion, the kind we champion here at Dawgsports. I will point out that the “two minute” example and “one minute” example are incorrect. The last two TD’s in the Kentucky game in ‘04 came on drives of less than 10 yards occassioned by Kentucky turnovers deep in their own territory and the last involved a guy (Tony Milton) who was not a starter and had not been for some time. And Matt Stafford was the 3rd string quarterback when he scored against Western Kentucky. I’m not saying your points aren’t valid. I’m just saying that the evidence you pointed to doesn’t illustrate what you believe that it does.
by MaconDawg on
Sep 8, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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There is a difference
If you want to keep running your regular offense with second and third stringers in the game in order to get them reps, I have no problem with that. In fact, I was overjoyed to see UGA employ that strategy on Saturday, as opposed to bringing in backups to run directly in to eight man fronts. If the defense is still unable to stop a team in that situation, they have nobody to blame. However, UF did not have getting backups some work in mind. Whether they were trying to cover the spread, puff up Tebow’s stats, or simply embarrass the Canes, Urban Meyer’s heart (an organ whose existence I am beginning to question) was not in the right place. For comparison, you did not see Coach Richt trotting in Knowshon late in the game when UGA had the ball at the five yard line in order to get him one more touchdown. That would have been rubbing it in, poor sportsmanship of the worst order. Instead, UGA called a play they typically would in that situation, while still using only backups, and Richard Samuel was rewarded with a touchdown. You will not see UGA keeping their starters in during a game in which they lead by 20 with minutes to play and throwing a 50 yard bomb to the endzone, just for the sake of adding one more touchdown to Matthew Stafford’s stat sheet. Obviously, that is a place where UGA and UF differ.
by SG Standard on
Sep 8, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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Georgia has been known to have a starter score with under a minute to go of a blowout a time or two. Everyone does it at some point, including your coach.
by Year2 on
Sep 8, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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Are you serious?
Against our oldest rival, Auburn, in 2006, Mark Richt directed his quarterback to kneel out the clock in a situation in which it was not possible to kneel out the clock, running time down as much as possible before giving the ball back rather than attempting to score a rub-it-in touchdown or even a rub-it-in field goal.
Against Ole Miss in 2002, Mark Richt (who then called the plays) directed a ten-minute drive with a two-touchdown lead to kill the clock, again kneeling it out on the verge of scoring. Those are just two examples off the top of my head, but there are plenty of others; I have watched many a Georgia game under Mark Richt (and, for that matter, Vince Dooley) where the opportunity to run it up was there, but was not taken.
One unsportsmanlike conduct penalty—-a penalty, incidentally, which was placed on the books by Vince Dooley—-and two late scores over a period of over seven years are scarcely representative of a pattern.
I’m sorry for getting the detail about the book wrong, but the point remains the same: Urban Meyer has gone on and on about how “it’s going to be a big deal” . . . not just to his players (the only people he could possibly be trying to motivate), but to the media. I can’t recall Mark Richt whining even once.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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Florida took knees to run out the clock against FSU, our biggest rival, just last year. They also ran plunges into the back of the line to help run out the clock against FSU in 2005 too, despite the fact the game was over 6 minutes from being finished. Not to mention the fact they seriously let off the gas in the national title game against Ohio State (34 points in the first half, 10 in the second, and a long series of short runs to kill the clock in the final 8 minutes).
I’m not saying Richt is a bad guy, Yes, Richt is a good guy, and the mission trips he took this summer to Honduras and to visit troops are very admirable (this summer, Meyer took his family on a mission trip to the Dominican too, by the way). I’m just saying that even he has done things like that before, which goes to show that it’s not like scoring late in a blowout is something unique to the evil Meyer monster.
The point was that you’re overdoing it with the “classless” meme.
by Year2 on
Sep 8, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
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And if you needed an example of Richt complaining about something, just this weekend he was grousing over Georgia’s SportsCenter highlight package. So there you go.
by Year2 on
Sep 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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He was asked a question, and answered
When there is a mention about that slight in a book about him called Mark’s Way, get back to me.
by SG Standard on
Sep 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT
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Year2, I see it differently . . .
. . . on some of these points.
Like MaconDawg, I think there is a distinct difference between a backup quarterback throwing to a starting tight end late in the game and the Heisman Trophy-winning starting quarterback around whom the entire offense hinges taking the final snaps of the contest for any other reason than kneeling out the clock.
Like SG Standard, I think Mark Richt’s reaction to the highlight reel was qualitatively different from Urban Meyer’s reaction to the celebration. Accounts of the Mark Richt conversation note that he chuckled on a couple of occasions; I’m absolutely certain Urban Meyer has never chuckled about the celebration . . . or, for that matter, any other thing that has happened in his entire life.
Beyond that, I don’t think “I wish my guy’s amazing play had made the highlight reel” is what we’re really talking about here. What I meant was that Coach Richt has never complained about being shown up by the opposition. I can’t recall him criticizing Nick Saban after the 2003 S.E.C. championship game, Tommy Tuberville (who had publicly criticized Coach Richt three years earlier) after the 2004 Georgia-Auburn game, or Phillip Fulmer after the 2007 Georgia-Tennessee game. (In fact, Coach Richt has criticized himself publicly and often for the latter effort.)
I don’t think any criticisms would have been warranted in those three instances—-in none of them could the winning coach be accused to running it up; in last year’s Tennessee game, in fact, the Vols very clearly called off the dogs in the second half—-but those really are the only times Mark Richt-coached teams have been beaten badly enough that such criticisms even could have been imagined.
That said, you make some good points that Coach Meyer does not invariably go for the trash touchdown late in the game and that he is not wholly without redeeming social characteristics, and I was wrong to portray him as completely negative. Please rest assured, though, that I’m not going in for what I know has become a meme—-that, by the way, is the first time I have ever used the word “meme,” either verbally or in print—-as I watched the fourth quarter of the game as it unfolded and came to my own conclusion without any outside influence.
Irrespective of whether the fact that a number of other viewers agree with my assessment has any bearing on its accuracy, I didn’t read someone’s message board comments, I saw it and formed my own opinion, which I still hold. However, although I continue to believe I am right about this specific instance, it was an error on my part to extrapolate too broadly from that, for which I stand corrected.
As always, Year2, nice job of stating your case fairly and reasonably even in the midst of what you know to be institutionally (though, I hope, not personally) hostile territory. Good work, my friend.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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Nothing personal, just business some good conversation.
Like Richt, I think you’re a good guy. I’ve never seen you write anything patently unfair, and you’re a credit to SB Nation. We can disagree without devolving into insult tossing, and I appreciate that.
by Year2 on
Sep 8, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
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In the '04 Georgia Southern game...
… Danny Ware may have been the starter, but he was hardly “the man.” If I recall correctly, we were on a pretty regular tailback rotation even then. And D.J. Shockley, who threw the final touchdown in the ’02 Vandy game, was a backup until ’05.
by wqueenjr on
Sep 8, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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Ware clearly was the starter in that game at least, considering he had 18 carries and no one else had more than five. Also, I believe that Ben Watson, who caught the pass from Shockley, was the starting tight end way back when.
by Year2 on
Sep 8, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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And again you're just wrong.
You are aware that D.J. Shockley was not our starting quarterback in 2002, right? He was the backup to David Greene. And the Georgia Southern example is equally flawed. We were up 13 with 3:27 left, which is hardly a blowout. Embarassing as it is, we were a fumble returned for a TD and an onside kick away from losing that game. Both spurious examples.
by MaconDawg on
Sep 8, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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And lest the above come off as condescending or angry . . .
I ain’t mad at ya, man. And Queen beat me to it on Shockley.
by MaconDawg on
Sep 8, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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So leaving the starting tight end on the field is indicative of bad sportsmanship?
Thank goodness we put in the reserve right guard on that play, or we’d be heading down the path toward becoming Da U North :) Seriously, that’s just nitpicking.
by MaconDawg on
Sep 8, 2008 4:57 PM EDT
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I see ...
… that I missed most of this, so my comment will likely be like the proverbial sound a tree makes when it falls and there is nobody to hear it. But here is my take.
Meyer was wrong. Why? Because he made a deliberate decision to try to increase the score using most of his starters when the game was no longer in doubt. Is Urban Meyer a bad guy for doing that? Nope. Just wrong in the instant case.
Here is the rationale. When you have your foot on the neck of your opponent, you don’t grind in your heel. Nor do you console, aid or abed him in any way. All of those things are unsportsmanlike. When the game was no longer in doubt, Meyer should have pulled his starters and run full-speed, hard plays with the bench with two caveats: a) no passing plays except on third or forth down and designed to pick up more than a first down (if they do, fine, that’s just the breaks) and no field goal attempts — it’s a touchdown or nothing. Here are the benefits of such a strategy:
- It permits the opponent to lose respectfully;
- It prevents a coach from looking like a hypocrite;
- It reduces the possibility of an opponent believing you are trying to break it off in their team and performing an unsportsmanlike act, which could lead to repercussions or violence for both teams;
- It is true to the spirit of the game;
- If another score is posted, it is. Anyone who believes bench players are running up the score is a fool;
- It gets bench players valuable reps;
- It precludes the possibility of injury to valuable players.
I could go on. There was no justification for Meyer’s actions which pass the smell test — in my opinion, he did it just to twist the blade in Miami’s vitals. I don’t think Miami’s coach should have mentioned it to the press, taking note of an opponent’s misbehavior is unworthy. Just shut up and use it to motivate your team — take it like a man, so to speak. Let the press, fans and bloggers defend you, because they will.
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by Truzenzuzex on
Sep 9, 2008 7:45 AM EDT
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Um, you have a defense for a reason
I haven’t had much experience being on the side of teams running up the score, as this is not something South Carolina is usually in a position to do. But you’ll also rarely see me complain about anyone running up the score on the Gamecocks, because there are 11 men on the field that are supposed to keep that from happening. If Miami were an FCS squad that was hopelessly undermanned (which I don’t believe they were) and the score had been 35-0 in the fourth, you’d have a point. Personally, I as a player or coach would be offended by a team letting up. It essentially says, “You have not proven yourself good enough for our best effort,” which should piss off anyone with a truly competitive spirit.
And as someone who is trying harder every year to move more toward resume ranking, Kyle, I respect the difficulty. But, really — Boise State is ranked after beating Idaho State and you leave off a Wake team that has beaten two BCS-league teams (whatever their ranking in those conferences)? Would the Deacs have been better off if they had taken Nebraska’s route and taken on Western Michigan and San Jose State instead of Baylor (on the road, mind you) and an Ole Miss team that, while they might not be NC contenders, are certainly not catatonic? I think you’re still dinging them for being in the ACC, despite the fact they haven’t play a single conference game. Which is fine, I guess, but it ain’t resume.
by cocknfire on Sep 8, 2008 2:34 PM EDT 0 recs
No, it ain't . . .
. . . but I think I’ve said as much on more than one occasion, dating back to my initial stab at a preseason ballot back in July or thereabouts.
I believe in resume ranking, but I made the decision to phase it in gradually this year, for three reasons:
1. I was tired of getting berated publicly by Brian Cook. O.K., just kidding. Only not really.
2. Early-season resume ranking merely shifts the questionable assumptions. Take Wake Forest . . . if, rather than make an assumption about the Demon Deacons themselves, I try to rank based on their resume after just two weeks, I’m making assumptions about Baylor and Ole Miss. Neither of those assumptions would be favorable to Wake Forest, but both of those assumptions would be based on old data of questionable current relevance. In other words, the virtue of resume ranking is its basis in at least somewhat quantifiable data. At this point, we don’t have enough information on anyone to gauge effectively how good they are or how good the teams they’ve faced are, so we’ll do just as well to start with reasonable assumptions and go by performance in the early going.
3. Early-season resume ranking produces some weird results. For instance, resume ranking at this point would put East Carolina, U.C.L.A., and Wake Forest all in the top ten. I applaud Matt Hinton for having the courage of his convictions to do such things, but I’m not that bold, at least not any more. (See reason no. 1.)
By next weekend, everyone will have at least two games under their belts and most teams will have three. At that point, I plan to start over from square one and try to evaluate things anew. I’ll look at Baylor’s and Mississippi’s other two games, and Wake Forest’s third game, and that team’s other two games, and make a determination.
Right now, you’re right: I think the A.C.C. stinks and that is working to the disadvantage of the entire conference for the benefit of unproven commodities in which I place some belief, such as Boise State and Nebraska. Next week, that will start to shift. By the end of September, the resumes will dictate all.
As for the points made in your first paragraph, I’m not sure how they square with one another. If “there are 11 men on the field that are supposed to keep that from happening,” and they clearly cannot live up to that obligation, what business do they have being “offended by a team letting up” just because “[i]t essentially says, ‘You have not proven yourself good enough for our best effort.’” Well, at that point, isn’t that true?
Are coaches obligated to risk season-ending injuries to star players in blowout games for the sole purpose of avoiding offending an overmatched opponent by telling them the truth? That’s not only tactically unwise, it’s flat-out lying. If “anyone with a truly competitive spirit” would be offended by an opponent letting up on the gas, well, aren’t there “11 men on the field that are supposed to keep that from happening”?
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by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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Reconciling the two points in the first paragraph
Because the BlogPoll thing is mostly opinion, so there’s not a clear “right” or “wrong”…
My point merely is this: I’m not all that offended by teams that run up the score. Even on my team. Doesn’t bother me.
Yes, I would be offended by a team that let up. BUT I also don’t think that should be a part of the opposing coach’s decision-making. Whether or not you’re hurting the other team’s feelings should be the farthest thing from his mind. If he feels, strategically, like it’s best to keep his foot on the gas, he should do that. If he feels, strategically, that he should pull his first-string players — and this is where I would come down in a real (i.e., 21-point margin or worse) blowout — then he should do that.
In the end, the coach is there to win games. If he can do that by being nice — however he defines that — then it would be honorable to do so. But there’s no obligation that he does anything other than what he feels is best (within the rules) to give his team a chance at success.
by cocknfire on
Sep 8, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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And one more miscellaneous point
As you point out earlier, Tebow is the offense. To be honest with you — and this is kind of embarrassing — I would have to look up Florida’s backup quarterback. So I’m not sure how wise it would be to stick in the backup against a team that was playing pretty well defensively until late. A couple turnovers, and suddenly you have a game.
by cocknfire on
Sep 8, 2008 10:55 PM EDT
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I see where you're coming from . . .
. . . and maybe it’s just because I grew up with Vince Dooley football—-in 25 years, Coach Dooley only truly ran it up on a rival once that I can recall (against Georgia Tech in 1981, at the behest of his first-team offense, who asked to be sent back into the game)—-but, obviously, I prefer to err on the side of not twisting the knife.
I believe it makes the most sense to pull your starters when it is safe to do so, both to prevent the sorts of injuries that sidelined Tyrone Prothro and Beanie Wells in games they no longer needed even to be in and to build depth and morale by giving playing time to the younger guys.
I also think it’s foolish to run it up on a rival, because your rival will remember it and want revenge. (It doesn’t even have to be a rival; any team you plan on playing again soon will do. Arizona State’s Bruce Synder was enraged when Tom Osborne’s Nebraska squad hung 77 points on the Sun Devils in 1995. A year later, A.S.U. shut out the ’Huskers 19-0 to deal the Big Red Machine its first regular-season loss since November 14, 1992.)
You are right, though, that those are matters of judgment, discretion, and strategy. I quite agree that no coach is under an obligation to be nice. As I indicated, though, I have more respect for guys like Steve Spurrier, who will break one off in an opponent but who won’t gripe about it when they’re on the receiving end of it. If Urban Meyer had shrugged off the celebration last year, it wouldn’t have bothered me that he went for the jugular in the final minutes against Miami this year. It’s what appears to me to be hypocrisy, not poor sportsmanship, that irks me.
While I see your point, the opposite consideration also applies. You’re right that Tim Tebow is the Gator offense. What if, by leaving him in there, you let him suffer a season-ending injury? You could stick a fork in Florida’s hopes at that point. Remember, too, I’m not even quarreling with Tebow’s presence in the game in the next-to-last series. You’re right; the game was still tight at that point. It’s just the decision to put him out there and have him throw with two minutes to play and a 20-point lead that I fault.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
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FSU
Over the last 10 years, we’ve played the highest % of Non-Conf games against BCS opponents in the Nation.
Cut us a break, T Kyle!
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by FSUncensored on Sep 8, 2008 6:06 PM EDT 0 recs
Fair point . . .
. . . although a lot of that has to do with the fact that the ‘Noles play the Gators every year and, for much of the period you describe, the ’Canes were a non-conference game, as well. Also, let’s admit it . . . when F.S.U. opted for the A.C.C. at a time when the S.E.C. was expanding, Florida State made the decision to pad its schedule with conference games! :)
All right, I kid; you’re right that F.S.U. has not been a major offender where scheduling Division I-AA opponents is concerned. It’s only eye-catching this year because of the open date and the two gimmes straight out of the gate.
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by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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I'm in favor of playing cupcakes
Beating the Gates is enough in the eyes of the voters. I don’t like playing a big game on opening night. The exposure is great, but these games are often ugly and don’t afford the participants an opportunity to work on a variety of plays.
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by FSUncensored on
Sep 8, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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As someone whose team's first four games . . .
. . . are Georgia Southern at home, Central Michigan at home, South Carolina on the road, and Arizona State on the road, I am in no position to criticize a team for “stairstepping” into its season!
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by T Kyle King on
Sep 8, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
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The final takeaway
In today’s game, running up large scores is not a matter of sportsmanship anymore. It’s a matter of necessity. It’s good that Vince Dooley didn’t run up scores back in his day, but the game has changed.
How many points you score is nearly the only thing anyone looks at. If USC beats Virginia 35-7, do they still pass up Georgia in the polls? Probably not. But, Pete Carroll kept Mark Sanchez in the game into the fourth quarter to help run up the final 52-7 margin. That caused nearly everyone in the country, including the esteemed proprietor of this site, to move USC up to No. 1 in the polls.
If Tennessee beats UAB 28-7, the postgame chatter will be about what is wrong with the Vols and how they couldn’t fully bounce back after the UCLA loss and a bye week. If Tennessee wins 42-21, it’s the same margin of victory but the talk will be about how “that’s more like it.” UT will gain more favor among the voters because let’s face it, a good many of them only look at final scores of games they don’t watch.
No, 26-3 makes little difference over 23-3. But, 30-3 looks an awful lot better than 23-3 does, and if that’s what it takes to appease lazy voters then that’s what Florida has to do. It’s not just about gunning for the national title game, but staying ahead of conference rivals in the polls to have the best shot at a BCS at-large if you don’t manage to win the conference.
And for the record, Miami doesn’t need anyone’s sympathy.
That’s all I have to say about that.
by Year2 on Sep 9, 2008 8:44 AM EDT 0 recs



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