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Week Four S.E.C. Power Poll Ballot Submitted

The closer we get to the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, the worse I feel about the whole notion of voting. If you’re one of those folks who will carry some enthusiasm with you to the polling place and support a specific presidential candidate with gusto, I admire you for it, but, for me, this will be the sixth straight grit-your-teeth-hold-your-nose-and-pull-the-lever selection of presidential electors since my 18th birthday, and that distaste for our national politics undoubtedly has colored my other exercises of the franchise, as well.

For instance, I cast my latest BlogPoll ballot, but I was thoroughly unhappy with the top 25 I compiled---so much so that I was talked into changing it slightly---and now the time has arrived for me to run down the rankings in the Southeastern Conference, as well. Although I feel I am on somewhat sounder ground where the S.E.C. is concerned, there still may be some room for improvement in this list:

1. Georgia: Quick show of hands . . . who here went cross-country for the first time in more than four decades and beat convincingly the defending co-champion of a conference that has given S.E.C. teams no end of trouble on the West Coast? Keep ‘em up high while we count . . . let’s see . . . one . . . uh . . . well, just the one, I guess. O.K., then.

2. Louisiana State: We found out Saturday that the Bayou Bengals have a quarterback and we found out last year that they have a coach. Those were the only question marks concerning a supremely talented team that just showed guts and poise while winning on the Plains, which is a tough place for opposing teams to play.

Granted, Georgia is 13-9-2 all-time in Jordan-Hare Stadium, but, you know, it’s a tough place for other teams to play.

3. Florida: It’s hard to know just what to make of the Gators. They fiddled around for a quarter or three against inferior competition in their first couple of games and they appear to have dominated the Vols thoroughly in Knoxville. What, precisely, are we to take from Saturday’s conquest, though? The first downs were even at 16 apiece; had the Big Orange held the ball for two fewer seconds, the time of possession would have been divided equally between the two combatants; the home team outgained the visitors from Gainesville in total yards (258-243). Three Tennessee turnovers and a 78-yard punt return allowed this one to get altogether out of hand, but how good are the Gators? Considering that they converted over 60 per cent of their third downs against U.T., I’m going to err on the side of saying they’re pretty good.

4. Alabama: The foregoing question applies equally well to ‘Bama and, once again, I’m pretty sure the Crimson Tide are pretty good, notwithstanding a less than impressive effort against Tulane. Certainly, Nick Saban’s club beat Western Kentucky in the anticipated manner and the Red Elephants’ 4-0 start has been bookended by victories over Clemson and Arkansas, both by convincing margins and neither in games taking place in Tuscaloosa. Four Razorback interceptions in a game in which the Hogs picked up 19 first downs to Alabama’s 15 skewed the numbers somewhat, but the Tide gained 328 rushing yards while allowing only 92. Even against a sad sack program that has fallen as low as Arkansas, that counts for something. We’ll find out Saturday just how much.

5. Vanderbilt: Yes, I know Senator Blutarsky is right that the Commodores’ present success is unsustainable, as anyone who has looked at Vandy’s stats and Vandy’s schedule cannot help but realize. Nevertheless, the Commies are 4-0 overall, 2-0 in conference play, and have won a league game on the road. Going by what the ‘Dores have done on the field thus far, I have to give them credit for their results.

6. Auburn: The Plainsmen’s most impressive victory so far has been a loss, inasmuch as the hometown Tigers’ 14 offensive points were at least seven more than anyone expected Auburn to score against L.S.U.’s defense. Saturday’s setback showed that Tommy Tuberville’s troops are headed in the right direction.

I hate Auburn.

7. Kentucky: Here begins the roll call of the have nots. The Wildcats’ narrow escape against Middle Tennessee was not impressive, but U.K. is unbeaten and shows occasional flashes of something akin to defense.

8. South Carolina: The Gamecocks got back to .500 with an uninspiring performance against Wofford, but their win over N.C. State and their close loss to the ‘Dawgs both look a little better than they did a week ago.

9. Ole Miss: At the moment, the Rebels appear to be the Western Division’s South Carolina. 2-2 record? Check. Season-opening victory over a team that used to be good followed by a subsequent win over a Division I-AA opponent? Check. Close losses to a conference frontrunner and to Vanderbilt? Check. Colorful head coach who enjoyed his greatest success at a rival school in the same division? Check. Scenic campus, respectable tradition of winning, and pretty co-eds? Hey, nobody said the analogy was perfect.

10. Tennessee: How bad is that U.C.L.A. loss looking right about now? If the Volunteers don’t get it turned around in a hurry, they might not win a road game all year.

I sure hope so, anyway.

11. Arkansas: The Hogs are so heinous, they might win only one more game the rest of the season.

12. Mississippi State: This is the one more game the Razorbacks might win.

That, at least, is how it looks from here. As always, your mileage may vary, so your feedback is welcome and, on occasion, even heeded.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Say all you want about our tradition

And ignore if you must the scenic parts of campus (such as the Horshoe).

But do not insult the beauty of the University of South Carolina’s women. That, sir, is a comment unsupported by facts or the opinion of any blue-blooded, straight American male.

by cocknfire on Sep 23, 2008 12:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Admittedly, I've only been to Columbia twice . . .

. . . and I will never go there again. (Since 1988, the Bulldogs are 7-0 in Williams-Brice Stadium without me there and 0-2 in Williams-Brice Stadium with me there.)

I freely concede that my general unfamiliarity with the South Carolina campus may cause me to be ignorant about such matters, but I will make two points, with respect to which there is no room for reasonable disagreement:

1. The good-looking South Carolina co-eds were not in evidence in the parts of campus on which I found myself in 1996 and 2000. Maybe y’all keep ‘em hidden from interlopers, and maybe that’s a prudent policy, but, if y’all have got ‘em, I didn’t see ’em.

2. Even if you’re right (and I acknowledge that you very well may be), y’all aren’t close to Ole Miss in terms of good-looking women. That is in no sense an insult to the Carolina women, who may be perfectly fetching, but no one who has ever been to Oxford considers this point even arguable. Seriously, spend 20 minutes in the Grove on a game day and I promise you you’ll concede the point, just as soon as you regain the power of speech.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 23, 2008 12:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What cocknfire said...

I’ve actually never been to the Grove, so I can’t comment on that. But I can tell you that you were obviously in the wrong place if you didn’t see any pretty ladies in Columbia. I’m sure some other guys that have visited Williams-Brice can back me up on this, as folks often rank our co-eds highly. I can tell you that they’re more impressive than the ones in Athens, Gainesville (yeck), Auburn, and Tuscaloosa, if that helps.

Go Cocks!

by Gamecock Man on Sep 23, 2008 3:11 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm sure you're right about Gainesville and Auburn

If you think your talent tops that in Athens and Tuscaloosa, though, you need to get your medication adjusted.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 23, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh...

To each his own, I guess. I wasn’t too impressed by the ladies in Athens, although I loved the nightlife there. Best bars and live music around. And I like UGA’s campus.

Sadly, I will have to agree with you on the lack of scenic pleasures at USC. Parts of campus, like the Horseshoe, are exceedingly beautiful, but other parts, like the complex that houses the humanities and social sciences departments, could use some work. Not to mention that they continue to wreck campus by putting up crappy Starbucks-like cafes and the like wherever they can squeeze them in. Although I guess most campuses are moving in that direction.

Go Cocks!

by Gamecock Man on Sep 23, 2008 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Heh...

To each his own, I guess. I wasn’t too impressed by the ladies in Athens, although I loved the nightlife there. Best bars and live music around. And I like UGA’s campus.

Sadly, I will have to agree with you on the lack of scenic pleasures at USC. Parts of campus, like the Horseshoe, are exceedingly beautiful, but other parts, like the complex that houses the humanities and social sciences departments, could use some work. Not to mention that they continue to wreck campus by putting up crappy Starbucks-like cafes and the like wherever they can squeeze them in. Although I guess most campuses are moving in that direction.

Go Cocks!

by Gamecock Man on Sep 23, 2008 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

The comment so nice you had to post it twice?

The next time you’re in Athens, Gamecock Man, I’ll show you around town. You may not come around completely to my way of thinking, but I promise you’ll be impressed.

I would offer you the opportunity to show me what I’m missing in Columbia, but that would involve me going to Columbia, which I steadfastly refuse to do. I will, however, take your word for it, if only because I know there are at least some attractive women with ties to the Palmetto State; viz.:

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 23, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry to burst your bubble, Kyle...

But even if she were an alumna, I don’t think your girl would make it out of the first round of a beauty pageant at South Carolina. I don’t know where you went, but we have our share.

Not necessarily arguing with you on Athens — I’ve been impressed on visits — but you obviously went to the wrong parts of campus.

by cocknfire on Sep 23, 2008 11:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All right, y'all really need to work on this

If you’re saying there are a lot of good-looking women in the Palmetto State, fine; I don’t dispute that.

If you’re saying there are a lot of good-looking women enrolled at the University of South Carolina, fine; all I said (in jest, incidentally) was that y’all weren’t in a class with the University of Mississippi, which was a compliment to Ole Miss rather than an insult to U.S.C. . . . and one, by the way, that everyone who has ever been to a game at Oxford acknowledges to be accurate.

But Kristin Davis, who at least one publication has recognized as the most beautiful woman in the world, wouldn’t “make it out of the first round of a beauty pageant” in Columbia?

That’s just plain nonsense.

I’m not saying y’all don’t have good-looking women at the East Coast U.S.C.—-to reiterate, I managed not to see any in two trips to Columbia, but those were just two trips, so I concede I may have missed them—-but that kind of hyperbole is either too much deliberate exaggeration for the sake of making a point or it is indicative of a level of cognitive dissonance comparable to, well, a Gamecock fan’s preseason expectation that this is the year South Carolina will contend for an Eastern Division title.

Your point’s been made. Let’s try to keep it on this plane of reality, though.

Yes, you have good-looking women; no, you don’t have a roomful of women better-looking than the best-looking woman on the face of the planet.

Yes, your football team sports a fine defense and an improving offense, and the ‘Cocks are better than their record; no, your football team isn’t going to represent the Eastern Division in the Georgia Dome anytime soon.

Y’all are a fine people, whom we like and respect, but the rest of us would be more willing to give y’all your due if the gap between reality and perception were not quite so large.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 24, 2008 7:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow. Maybe I should have been clear about the tongue in cheek

And I’ll say that we’re going to win the East when I think we’re going to win the East. I said that neither in the last preseason nor in this one, despite the fact that some were. I don’t think it’s quite as far off as you might think — I can find you a slew of places where the same things were said about Missouri five years ago that are being said about us — but I am not one of those fans who constantly projects South Carolina to win the division.

by cocknfire on Sep 24, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My bad for missing the joke

You’re realistic in your expectations, C&F, which is to your credit.

You make a valid point about Missouri. However, there are two important distinctions:

  1. Missouri is the only Division I-A program in a populous state boasting a large city in St. Louis. South Carolina is one of two Division I-A programs in a comparatively smaller state. The Tigers (the other Tigers) in Columbia (the other Columbia) have a broader recruiting base in their immediate vicinity. That’s not to say South Carolina can’t overcome the relative disadvantages, but the Gamecocks can’t do it as easily, which creates depth issues which have come into play in South Carolina’s late-season fades.
  2. Missouri plays in the Big 12 North. While the league appears to be on the rebound, the Big 12 North was for many years the sad sack of B.C.S. divisions. South Carolina plays in the S.E.C. East, which has been the most consistently good division in college football since divisional play was implemented. Rarely has the Big 12 North presented a murderer’s row for would-be challengers as rugged as Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee.

In any case, I apologize for not getting that you were kidding. Mea culpa.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 24, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I realize we're at a disadvantage

And I don’t believe we’re ever going to be an SEC “powerhouse.” I’ve just never bought into the history as destiny argument. (Can you blame me? My other favorite team is the Cubs.)

I think, at some point, we can get to a place where we contend once every few years and maybe pull it off once every five or six years or so. Georgia or Florida and maybe Tennessee will still win it more times than not. But, if I were to look at it completely objectively, I’d probably think the same way you do.

The key is for three of the four N.C. teams to continue to suck every year. Then, we can recruit.

by cocknfire on Sep 25, 2008 12:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Weird...

Don’t know what happened with the double post.

I’d def. be glad to take you up on your offer if I make it to Athens again. Might be a while, though.

Go Cocks!

by Gamecock Man on Sep 23, 2008 10:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Understood

The offer remains open.

Sorry I can’t return the visit, but the Q**nc* C*rt*r five-interception game of 2000 scarred me for life.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 23, 2008 11:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ASU season ticket holder here.

Please tell me I wasn’t the only poster on this blog that was at the game.

by AcworthDawg on Sep 24, 2008 7:59 AM EDT   0 recs

For the record...

I think Kristin Davis is absolutely gorgeous, even if she did attend Rutgers despite having stepfather who is a psych prof at USC.

Go Cocks!

by Gamecock Man on Sep 24, 2008 10:36 AM EDT   0 recs

Gamecock Man, my friend . . .

. . . we have reached consensus at last!

I mean . . .

. . . dang.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 24, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Man..

That is a great pic.

Go Cocks!

by Gamecock Man on Sep 24, 2008 5:27 PM EDT   0 recs

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