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Too Much Information: Georgia Bulldogs v. Arizona State Sun Devils

The weekly breakdown that we call "Too Much Information" evolved---some would say devolved---from a segment of the same name in "The Dawg Show," which aired on Henry County local cable access from 1999 to 2004. Each week, I provided a torrent of statistical and (more often) historical minutiae having no particular bearing on the matter at hand.

It was an amusing bit as far as it went, although it occasionally lurched uncontrollably into eerie prescience. For instance, the 1968 Bulldogs won the S.E.C. championship and finished the season with one loss, then, in the first road game of the following season, Georgia beat Clemson 30-0. I pointed that out in the 2003 season preview show, since the 2002 Bulldogs had won the S.E.C. championship and finished the season with one loss and the 2003 ‘Dawgs were to play their first road game at Clemson. I turned out to be right: Georgia won, 30-0.

In the show immediately following the 1999 Georgia Tech game, I pointed out that two previous Georgia squads had gone to bowl games following 7-4 regular seasons. Those two teams were the 1947 Bulldogs, who tied Maryland in the Gator Bowl, and the 1984 Bulldogs, who tied Florida State in the Citrus Bowl. Since the 1999 Bulldogs had gone 7-4, as well, I predicted a Georgia overtime victory in the bowl game before I knew either the bowl or the opponent. I turned out to be right: Georgia came back to beat Purdue 28-25 in extra innings.

Mostly, though, I was just tossing out miscellaneous data of interest but no real importance. I mention that because I went a little retro with last week’s Too Much Information and I’m doing it again this week, interspersing a handful of historical observations amid the various numerical comparisons. Why? Because Senator Blutarsky, Doug Gillett, and Paul Westerdawg have you covered on the actual analysis, so it falls to me to offer not a dash of data, nor a modicum of insight, but, rather . . . Too Much Information.

One of these days, we’re going to have to YouTube a few of the old "Dawg Show" episodes. In the meantime, for those of you who never saw it, think of it as "Wayne’s World" without the stoner/slacker mentality or the production values.

What do you need to know about the Arizona State game that you don’t know already? Consider these data:

  • Numerically, the Bulldogs and the Sun Devils are more similar than you may suspect. The Georgia O has picked up 62 first downs and averages 446.3 yards per game of total offense. The Arizona State O has picked up 65 first downs and averages 442.0 yards per game of total offense. The Georgia D has given up 55 first downs and allows 296.0 yards per game. The Arizona State D has given up 56 first downs and allows 295.3 yards per game.


  • Last Saturday, for just the fifth time in series history, the Classic City Canines scored exactly 14 points against South Carolina. In the previous four such seasons (1919, 1958, 1959, and 1996), the ‘Dawgs were 4-0 in games immediately following the showdown with the Gamecocks. Three of those four victories came by double-digit margins.


  • The ‘Dawgs are equally adept at moving the chains on the ground and through the air: Georgia has picked up 31 first downs via the forward pass and 31 first downs via either running plays (28) or penalties (3). The Devils are equally susceptible to surrendering fresh sets of downs on the ground and through the air: A.S.U. has given up 23 first downs on passes and 23 first downs on runs.

Offensively, though, the Sun Devils are explosive, thanks to a quarterback so accomplished that they made a movie about him.

  • The Bulldogs lead in the S.E.C. in total touchdowns scored (15) and offensive touchdowns scored (14). The Red and Black rank second in the league in rushing touchdowns scored (9) and passing touchdowns scored (5). The Classic City Canines have scored on all ten of their trips into the red zone and have come away with touchdowns on nine of their ten treks inside the opposition’s 20 yard line.


  • The last time the ‘Dawgs played a game west of the Mississippi River against a team from the Copper State, the result was a tie with the Wildcats in the 1985 Sun Bowl. Should that datum prove as prophetic as my aforementioned forecast of the 2000 Outback Bowl, it is noteworthy that the Red and Black are 4-2 in overtime games, including 2-0 under Mark Richt. I haven’t taken the time to check Dennis Erickson’s or Arizona State’s overtime records, but I know they’re 0-1 in the last week.


  • Although the Georgia offense has been criticized in the wake of the South Carolina game, the Bulldog O does not let up after intermission. The Red and Black have scored 115 points this season, notching 58 of them in the first two quarters and 57 in the second half. The Sun Devils, by contrast, perform distinctly differently after the break: Arizona State has outscored the opposition 60-20 in the first half this autumn, but A.S.U. holds a cumulative 31-30 edge in the last two stanzas in 2008 and has been outpointed 20-14 in the fourth quarter.

The Devils start strong but finish weak in Tempe, just like in the New Testament.

  • Arizona State, obviously, is a passing team: Rudy Carpenter leads the Pac-10 in passing yards per game (325.0), pass efficiency (183.6), and total offense (332.7 yards per game) and three of the league’s top ten receivers in yards per game are Sun Devils (Michael Jones, Kerry Taylor, and Kyle Williams). Nevertheless, A.S.U. strives for balance, having run the ball 95 times and thrown the ball 95 times this season, and four of the Devils’ six red zone touchdowns have come on running plays.


  • Despite the foregoing facts, Georgia is the markedly better team at running the ball and at stopping the run. Arizona State gives up very nearly as many yards per carry (3.6) as the Sun Devils gain (3.7), whereas the ‘Dawgs pick up more than twice as many yards per rush (5.6) than they permit (2.5).


  • You already know that Mark Richt is 32-2 against non-conference teams and is 26-4 in opponents’ home stadiums. What you might not know, though, is that Georgia has not followed up a win over the Gamecocks with an out-of-conference road loss since 1974 and no Bulldog squad has come out of the South Carolina game with an unblemished record and lost on the road to a non-league foe in the Red and Black’s next outing since a 7-6 loss to Yale at New Haven in 1924.

It would have been remiss of me not to have included a reference to our dear friend Herbert I. McDunnough, who met his future wife, Edwinna, in the county lockup in Tempe.

  • Rudy Carpenter has thrown four more touchdowns (6) than interceptions (2). Matthew Stafford has thrown four more touchdowns (4) than interceptions (0).


  • This is a weird detail of which I do not know what to make: Arizona State’s longest game was five minutes shorter than Georgia’s shortest game. I get why being on for-real big-deal T.V. made the Bulldogs’ showdown in Columbia last three and a half hours, but, given the extent to which the ‘Dawgs are a running team and the Devils are a passing team, shouldn’t A.S.U.’s longest game be longer than Georgia’s shortest game? Anyway, if the game starts to stretch beyond the three-hour-and-fifteen-minute mark, will the home team have as much left in the tank as the visitors?

There simply are too many variables in play to have any idea in the world what to expect. In addition to questions about the Georgia pass rush versus the A.S.U. offensive line, or the Sun Devil aerial assault against the Red and Black secondary, there are such essential immeasurables as how the ‘Dawgs will respond to playing so far from home for the first time since their head coach was in first grade and how the Devils will react after last weekend’s debacle against U.N.L.V. There’s just no telling. This ought to be fun.

My Prediction: Georgia 41, Arizona State 35.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Score?

Do you really think they will score 35 on us? And if they did, I would hope we would be better than a touchdown ahead of them.
P.S. Whats the difference between the UF team that lost to Michigan, and the “SEC Champion 08” gaytors playing Tenn?

by Newsboys441 on Sep 19, 2008 12:04 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I probably would have picked us to win by ten . . .

. . . in Athens, but experience has proven that S.E.C. hubris in a Pac-10 stadium is folly.

We’ll get their best game, just like L.S.U. did three years ago, and the Sun Devils can score, particularly in their house.

Unfortunately, the current batch of Bulldogs is too young to want revenge on A.S.U. for giving up a 65-yard scoring drive to Ohio State in the final two minutes of the Rose Bowl on New Year’s Day 1997. Had the Devils hung on for the win, they’d have captured the 1996 national championship instead of the hated Gators. If only Rod “Show Me the Money” Tidwell hadn’t entered the N.F.L. draft a year early, the Evil Genius might not have gotten a ring. . . .

As for your postscript, that’s a darn good question, to which I have yet to hear a good answer.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 19, 2008 12:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yah...

cutting it kind of close there Kyle?

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Sep 19, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It should be a shootout

By all accounts, our defense is going to be playing more passively than I’d imagine many people would like. It seems that we are unwilling to bring the blitz due to Carpenter’s experience in the pocket. It looks like we are going to relegate ourselves to rushing four and hoping the secondary can cover as long as they need to. This means that ASU will complete way too many short to medium range passes, with the occasional receiver streaking downfield past (insert UGA DB not named Asher Allen here). Basically, it’s shaping up to be another installment of the “bend but don’t break” defense that, while generally successful, will eventually lead to hair loss and hypertension. UGA may end up sacrificing field positon and field goals, but hoping to lock down in the red zone. While this may work some of the time, ASU will find their way into the endzone. With the failure of ASU’s attempt to establish the run last week and the resulting backlash, they will come out firing. Unless our front four can create more pressure than we have seen this season (unlikely, if you ask me-no Rod Battle and improved ASU pass protection will not help the cause), ASU will rack up some yardage. Now, it may prove that no blitzing works better than the delayed linebacker blitzes or blitzes from the seconday that came from too far outside, like the ones we saw last week. Having more men in protection is better than having one rush who can’t reach the quarterback in time. Either way, I expect it will be somewhat frustrating to watch the UGA defense.

Luckily, UGA has their run game to help bail the team out. The more that the Dawgs can keep the ASU offense off the field, the better. Based on what I saw of ASU defensive front, and their DT’s in particular, they seem rather undersized. Even without the human de-cleater that is Brannan Southerland and with a rejiggered offensive line, I would expect UGA to be able to open up some holes. I wouldn’t be surprised if UGA breaks out of their inability to run between the tackles in a big way on Saturday. If UNLV can grind out a victory on the ground, UGA damn sure can as well. ASU might try to neutralize this by bringing up a safety in the box, as USC did repeatedly last week. Should this happen, and if the 40 second clock is functioning, Stafford should be able to check into a pass pattern that could prove deadly. If that happens once or twice, the safeties will stay back, and even more running room will develop. I still think that 40 second clock not working last week cost UGA the potential for several big plays, but oh well. I would look for UGA to be able to work the clock to its advantage throughout the game, and really be able to pound the ball in the second half. According to the split stats, ASU struggles more against the run in the second half already. A ball control offense from the Dawgs should exacerbate things even further.

It wouldnt surprise me to see a couple of big plays out of ASU early, and a couple more drives that result in points based on a controlled passing game. However, I think if UGA can hang on to the ball, work the clock to its advantage, and not bog down in the redzone, the score will start to open up a bit in the second half. ASU putting up somewhere between 28 and 35 points wouldn’t surprise me at all. Hopefully, that won’t be enough.

by SG Standard on Sep 19, 2008 11:08 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could be prescient

My biggest worry is that ASU will be able to march up and down the field between the 20s, but then get stifled when space gets tight and has to settle for FGs instead of TDs. Quite frankly, I’ve got more confidence in ASU’s ability to score from the Georgia 30 than the Georgia 5.

If Georgia is able to get good pressure with just the front 4, drop 7 back (while keeping the safeties deep) and force ASU to take 10-15 plays to dink and dunk their way down the field (and then only getting 3 points for their trouble)…ugh, it could be a big party in the desert for the Red and Black. If ASU is able to go over the top somehow on a few plays, maybe with play action (although that would indicate the threat of a running game…ha!) or else stretch things out horizontally and force the Dawgs to cover the whole field and go one on one with ASU’s talented WRs, though…look out, cause the Devils could make it a loooooooong flight home to Atlanta.

by Beatuofa on Sep 19, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very nice job T kyle

It’s hard for me to disagree with any gusto with this rather exhaustive analysis—even as a Sun Devil.

  But the game could take another path that virtually no one else is considering. I’m thinking that the ASU defense is the most underrated variable in this equation—3 reinforcements are scheduled to appear 2 for the first time this season—keep in mind the UGA O line has been shuffled and reshuffled—and virtually all members of the unit will be playing a different position than they did last week. I think it’s possible that both offenses will be disrupted—and it could be a low scoring struggle.

I will put this out there—the ASU D is far more dangerous than the UGA fanbase seems to believe. The unit is speedy and runs to the ball well and is designed to keep plays in front of them—limiting YAC. It should be able to limit Knowshon—I don’t expect him to run wild. IMO from a UGA POV—the game will be in the hands of of your strong armed QB. The same kind of performance as he had against SCAR will not get it done.

by baal on Sep 19, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

I certainly can see that, particularly with players coming back, although that isn’t always the boon it appears to be. Sometimes, the eleven athletes who mesh best together aren’t the same as the eleven most talented athletes.

What makes this such a hard matchup to preview is our utter unfamiliarity with one another. Obviously, the two teams have no history with one another, but, if (for instance) we were playing U.C.L.A., I’d at least be able to look at the Bruins’ game against Tennessee and have a point of reference. U.C.L.A. matched up against Tennessee like this; we typically match up against Tennessee like that; therefore, we can extrapolate to something not wholly pulled out of thin air.

Part of why I’m expecting a shootout is that my experience with the Sun Devils is all about scoring fests: A.S.U. versus L.S.U. in 2005, A.S.U. versus Oregon, U.S.C., and Texas last year. Obviously, there’s a major problem with judging any team based upon four games over a four-year period, or even three games over a one-year period. Nothing would surprise me, in the sense that nothing seems predictable, so nothing would deviate from expectations.

In any case, it ought to be a heck of a lot of fun. It’s been a long time since the ‘Dawgs matched up with a truly intriguing out-of-conference opponent on the road like this. I’m really enjoying this so far.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 19, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've long had a fascination with mascots

and not the living, breathing kind like UGA or Mike the Tiger, but the plush, human-filled kind like Buzz (ugh) or Albert (is that little hat really necessary) that you might see at a fetish convention in Vegas.. At least Hairy Dawg looks somewhat awe-inspiring in his UGA uniform.

This brings me to my question of the day:
Is that Dick Dastardly mustache on Sparky supposed to be intimidating?

Right now, I just want to walk up to him an order some escargot.

"Who knew that Florida would one day hire a coach that made us long for the graciousness and dignity of the Steve Spurrier era?"

Thus sayeth T. Kyle King

by RedCrake on Sep 19, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, the history on that is pretty interesting

As I understand it, the Arizona State logo (the cartoon devil on which the costumed sideline mascot is based) was drawn by a Disney animator, who based his creation on Uncle Walt himself.

Campus legend or rebellious subterfuge? You decide:

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 19, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have it on good authority...

that the Walt Disney story is fabricated.

Sparky is in fact based on this man:

Be sure to check out his posthumous album, “The Coconut Bangers Ball — Its a Rap!”

"Who knew that Florida would one day hire a coach that made us long for the graciousness and dignity of the Steve Spurrier era?"

Thus sayeth T. Kyle King

by RedCrake on Sep 19, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, that is a big picture of Robert Goulet!

Now I know why Elvis shot out that T.V. set. . . .

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Sep 20, 2008 12:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a great Elvis story . . .

Though I always have had a soft spot for Goulet. When things were hectic over at MaconDawg’s Blawg, I would sometimes post that there would be no new content because, in the words of the Diamond nuts commercial, Robert Goulet broke in and messed with my stuff.

by MaconDawg on Sep 20, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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