Week Three BlogPoll Ballot Submitted
I am in no way happy with this week’s BlogPoll ballot. As I promised I would last week, I started with a clean white sheet of paper and the result was a mismatched hodgepodge of a top 25.
It is still early enough that unmitigated resume ranking would produce anomalous results, yet we now have enough information about most of these teams not to be ordering teams based upon sheer guesswork. Using that unsatisfactory hash combining fish with fowl and operating without the benefit of having examined any other person’s or group’s college football rankings, I came up with the following, with respect to which your constructive criticisms are sought:
| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Southern Cal | 1 |
| 2 | Oklahoma | 1 |
| 3 | Georgia | 2 |
| 4 | Missouri | -- |
| 5 | Florida | 1 |
| 6 | LSU | 1 |
| 7 | Texas | 2 |
| 8 | East Carolina | 4 |
| 9 | Brigham Young | 11 |
| 10 | South Florida | 7 |
| 11 | Wisconsin | 3 |
| 12 | Alabama | 4 |
| 13 | Utah | 13 |
| 14 | Penn State | 6 |
| 15 | Oregon | 4 |
| 16 | Ohio State | 11 |
| 17 | Kansas | 6 |
| 18 | West Virginia | 8 |
| 19 | Wake Forest | 7 |
| 20 | Nebraska | 1 |
| 21 | Arizona State | 8 |
| 22 | Vanderbilt | 4 |
| 23 | North Carolina | 3 |
| 24 | Auburn | 9 |
| 25 | Clemson | 1 |
While the Virginia win has lost much of its luster, it still represented a season-opening cross-country trek to face a B.C.S. conference opponent coming off of a successful campaign. The main reason Southern California is ranked No. 1, of course, is that the Trojans took care of business in emphatic fashion against Ohio State.
You could make a decent case for ranking my second- through sixth-place teams in any sequence, but I went with Oklahoma at No. 2 because the Sooners have put away their first three opponents by margins of 57-2, 52-26, and 55-14. I have my misgivings about this ranking, however, because Bob Stoops’s troops posted those marks against a Division I-AA opponent, a Cincinnati squad whose quality is presumed but not yet proven, and an atrocious Washington club that now stands at 0-3.
The gap between Oklahoma at No. 2 and Georgia at No. 3 was narrow. The Sooners handled their season-opening Division I-AA opponent more readily than the Bulldogs dealt with Georgia Southern, although the 21 points the Eagles scored largely were cosmetic touchdowns tallied against the third and fourth string. The Red and Black’s win over Central Michigan was similar to the Crimson and Cream’s victory over the Bearcats, but Cincy is a B.C.S. conference team and likely is superior to the Chippewas. Finally, while South Carolina is a significantly better team than the Huskies, Georgia’s game in Columbia was much, much closer than Oklahoma’s outing in Seattle. Yeah, I’m not really satisfied with that explanation, either.
There’s no question that No. 4 Missouri looks stout, but against whom? The Tigers handed a 52-42 setback to an Illinois squad that beat Louisiana-Lafayette by a field goal, dropped a 52-3 drubbing on Division I-AA Southeast Missouri State, and hammered a twice-beaten Nevada club 69-17. While I believe in Mizzou, I won’t know what to make of the Tigers until they play someone.

My fifth-, sixth-, and seventh-ranked teams (Florida, Louisiana State, and Texas, respectively) all fell into the same category. I’m very sure the Gators, the Bayou Bengals, and the Longhorns are very good, but I don’t know how good. All three squads are 2-0, but the Saurians have played the Warriors (who just got drilled by Oregon State) and the Hurricanes (whose only other game was against a lower-division opponent), the Fighting Tigers have defeated Division I-AA Appalachian State and winless North Texas, and the ‘Horns have beaten Florida Atlantic and U.T.E.P. units with one win and four losses between them. I don’t yet have a legitimate means for differentiating between these teams.
By contrast, I’m fairly certain my eighth-, ninth-, and tenth-ranked teams (East Carolina, Brigham Young, and South Florida, respectively) are vastly overrated, but their respective achievements ostensibly are too meaningful to ignore. All three of these squads are 3-0, with the Pirates taking pride of place by virtue of wins over Virginia Tech and West Virginia, despite E.C.U.’s struggle with Tulane.
The Cougars didn’t do themselves many favors with victories over Division I-AA Northern Iowa or winless Washington, but B.Y.U.’s poleaxing of previously high-flying U.C.L.A. had to be recognized. The same held true, to a lesser extent, for the Bulls’ victory over Kansas.
No. 11 Wisconsin, No. 12 Alabama, and No. 13 Utah all attained 3-0 status by claiming wins filled mostly with empty calories, but the Badgers went on the road and beat Fresno State, the Crimson Tide traveled to a neutral site and outclassed Clemson, and the Utes earned no points for piledriving hapless Utah State, but a win at Michigan still theoretically counts for something and Utah’s 45-21 victory over U.N.L.V. suddenly looks a whole lot better than it did on Saturday morning.

Dude, I get that y’all were looking ahead, but what was that? (Photograph by Nick Doan/Icon SMI.)
I placed Penn State as low as 14th because the Nittany Lions have produced big wins against absolute nobodies. As impressive as it may have been for P.S.U. to have won its first three games by final margins of 66-10, 45-14, and 55-13, the fact is that the Lions beat Division I-AA Coastal Carolina, one-win Oregon State, and thrice-thrashed Syracuse. No. 15 Oregon compiled a similar resume, beating by a combined 110-34 two teams (Washington and Utah State) who are 0-6 between them but needing overtime to outlast a middle-of-the-pack Purdue team on the road. (By the way, Dave, your apology is accepted but unnecessary.)
It is, I am sure, small solace to the Buckeyes that they are the highest-ranked once-beaten team on my ballot at No. 16, but, when you get past the embarrassment in Los Angeles, what does O.S.U. have to show for its season so far? How much credit should I assign to a win over Division I-AA Youngstown State and a close call against winless Ohio (Ohio)? Call it a Buckeye backlash if you must, but, so far, there’s very little there there.
The Jayhawks captured the 17th spot by virtue of a "quality loss" to U.S.F. in a tight game on the road against a solid squad and an impressive victory over a Louisiana Tech team that played well in a victory against Mississippi State. The Mountaineers made the top 18 more on track record than on performance, since West Virginia demonstrated little by beating Division I-AA Villanova and the ‘Eers were whipped soundly by East Carolina.
The lack of worthy teams is attested to by the fact that the final two spots in my top 20 went to Wake Forest (for the Demon Deacons’ wins over two B.C.S. conference teams who may not be quite as bad as we thought, though probably they are) and Nebraska (for the relative ease with which the Cornhuskers have handled opponents they should have handled with relative ease).

No. 21 Arizona State and No. 25 Clemson got in because I believe they are better than their records (and, in the Sun Devils’ case, because I know from yesterday’s game in Williams-Brice Stadium that a team can lose a contest while looking ahead to Georgia yet still play the Bulldogs tough).
No. 22 Vanderbilt and No. 23 North Carolina got in because they have the records they have, although I have my doubts about the Commodores’ and the Tar Heels’ staying power. Still, Vandy’s wins over Miami (Ohio), South Carolina, and Rice count for something, as does U.N.C.’s beatdown of Rutgers in the Garden State.
Finally, Auburn made the grade at No. 24 because the Plainsmen are 3-0 and I believe they will be good, but egad! Never quite delivering the knockout blow to Southern Miss is one thing, but something is really wrong when the Tigers beat Mississippi State and the Braves beat the Mets by the same score (3-2) on the same day.
Because I started from scratch, I gave varying degrees of consideration to numerous teams who did not quite pass muster, including Air Force, Boise State, California, Connecticut, Georgia Tech, Iowa, Maryland, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, and Virginia Tech. Each of these teams came up short by virtue of an unconvincing win and/or a weak slate, sometimes coupled with what could not be characterized as a quality loss and occasionally conjoined with the handicap of having the word "Tech" in the school’s name.

For instance, if the Terrapins were serious about turning their victory over the Golden Bears into a top 25 ranking, they should have thought twice before beating Division I-AA Delaware by only a touchdown and following that up by losing to a team with this for a mascot!
En route to reaching the foregoing conclusions, I watched the North Carolina-Rutgers game on Thursday and the Kansas-South Florida game on Friday. On Saturday, I saw bits and pieces of the Tennessee-U.A.B., Clemson-N.C. State, and Cal-Maryland games before watching every single second of the Georgia-South Carolina game. After that, I watched Oregon and Purdue in overtime before capping off the evening with the Ohio State-Southern California tilt and winding down with portions of the Wisconsin-Fresno State showdown.
I don’t like that ballot, so I don’t expect you to like it, either. While I would appreciate it if you didn’t go so far as to call me dumb and dumber, you should feel free to give my top 25 what-for in the comments below, because those rankings deserve your scorn.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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No scorn
But I don’t know that you should be harder on Georgia for eventually beating a team against whom they have periodically struggled (as I understand it), than you were on East Carolina for nearly coming back to earth. Notwithstanding your comment about over-rating ECU, I think two good wins followed by a near miss to Tulane allows you to maintain your spot rather than rise. Had Oklahoma not posted that margin of victory over Washington, they would have deserved no more than to maintain also.
by DC Trojan on Sep 14, 2008 10:33 PM EDT 0 recs
Not bad
Everyone will have USC #1, and that says something considering how tough it is to get power pollsters and resume pollsters to agree this early.
Everyone in your 2-7 hasn’t played anyone tough enough yet to really differentiate, so you can put them in really any order and not be wrong. It’s all nitpicking so far. Below that, it’s all a churn of performance fighting preseason expectations, and no one really can say for sure what’s going on.
by Year2 on Sep 14, 2008 11:01 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm relatively pleased you posted that picture of our mascot
People tend to ridicule us for being represented by a unicorn when, as that picture cleary shows, no horn exists upon Lightning’s head. That, my friend, is pegasus: Greek horse deity and keeper of Zeus’ lightning
by MightyMightyMitzu on Sep 15, 2008 12:02 AM EDT 0 recs
Mitzu, one of my favorite moments ever . . .
. . . with an opposing fan came during the 2003 Georgia-M.T.S.U. game, when my friends and I were sitting near several Blue Raider fans.
We kept talking back and forth, asking, “What is that thing?” Finally, one of the Middle Tennessee fans turned around and, quite cheerfully, said, “We don’t know what the hell it is, either!”
The only other thing I remember about that game is the M.T.S.U. center doing that Ray Manzarek head-bob that somehow wasn’t a false start but caused the ’Dawgs to be offsides about half a dozen times.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 15, 2008 7:07 AM EDT
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your poll is the most intelligent yet
simply by putting the plainsmen as high as you did
by lola on Sep 15, 2008 6:21 AM EDT 0 recs
Looks good
I was going to go ballistic on 8, 9, and 10, but your explaination does it for me. As long as its a result of resume ranking and based more on what they have done on the field, I totally understand. Also, kudos for being as brutal to Auburn as you were. Their performance has warranted such a drop, but clearly the AP and Coaches somehow disagree.
by SG Standard on Sep 15, 2008 1:55 PM EDT 0 recs
Just Wondering...
How you justify ranking South Florida at #10 and Oregon at #15 when Oregon physically dominated this team on both sides of the ball 6 months earlier and have the majority of their team coming back. This makes absolutely no sense to me at all. It will be interesting where the SEC homers rank Auburn this week after one of the most dismal offensive performances I have ever seen from a Division I football team in the last 25 years (3-2) win over Mississippi State.
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by bcsbusters on Sep 16, 2008 2:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Simple:
1. Oregon had to come back from a two-touchdown deficit to beat a mediocre Purdue team in overtime.
2. South Florida beat a solid Kansas team.
3. These rankings are for the 2008 season, so previous seasons have no bearing.
It’s not a power poll. I’m not predicting who would beat whom on a neutral field next Saturday. As I freely admit on a weekly basis, I’m bad at forecasting. (So, incidentally, are even the most successful prognosticators; the variances are between acceptable and unacceptable rates of failure, much like hitting in baseball.) I’m basing it on what I know happened, and what I know happened is that the Ducks struggled with a Big Ten team weaker than the Big 12 team U.S.F. beat. (Please note that those two games featured teams from four major conferences, none of which was the S.E.C.)
I can’t speak for “the SEC homers,” but I dropped Auburn nine spots, to the edge of the top 25. By way of comparison, I dropped Oregon four spots for its poor performance and Arizona State fell eight spots following the Sun Devils’ loss to U.N.L.V.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 16, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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By the way, BCSBusters . . .
. . . I know you know this (and I don’t think you were trying to argue otherwise), but, just for the benefit of anyone who might be unclear upon the subject, I try to take a balanced approach to the whole “conference wars” thing, as I hope I demonstrated in a recent comment at Addicted to Quack.
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by T Kyle King on
Sep 16, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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No hard feelings kyle...
I am simply in amazement that you can claim that this poll is about 2008, yet you call Purdue mediocre. They only played one game to that point and they won 34-10. By the way, as I’m sure your well aware of, the PAC-10 doesn’t play Louisiana Tech, Western Illinois or the like, and they travel on the road to play BCS opponents for the most part.
Like you mentioned, this is Georgia’s first road game outside the south in your lifetime…how incredibly sad is that? I will start considering these PAC-10 losses last weekend catastrophic when the SEC considers Arkansas’s dismal performance to start the year, Mississippi State’s loss to LA-Tech or South Carolina losing to Vanderbilt, because as long as were calling Purdue mediocre based on past results (which you clearly are Kyle), in my mind it is only fair to call Vanderbilt less than that.
A 3-2 win over hapless Mississippi State or a 14-7 victory over South Carolina isn’t exactly setting the world on fire. And how about that loss to UCLA to start the year? As I’ve mentioned before, the Mountain West Conference SHOULD BE a BCS Conference as the numbers that conference has put up in the last five years…on the road at that against BCS conference foes speaks for itself.
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by bcsbusters on Sep 18, 2008 11:19 AM EDT 0 recs
All right, you got me
While I believe there is a valid distinction to be drawn between assessing a team based upon the outcome of a single game from the previous season and assessing a team based upon the general trajectory of the program of the course of the last several years, you are correct: I am, to some extent, using preseason expectations to define the value I place on particular victories.
As I hope my previous track record in BlogPoll voting demonstrates, though, I go back and re-evaluate wins and losses on a regular basis, as a particular outcome may begin to look better or worse in retrospect. If the Boilermakers go on to have a solid season, Oregon will gain additional points for having beaten them. Ultimately, it all will come out in the wash.
While I would no more call it “incredibly sad” that Saturday represents as large a milestone as it does than I would regard my fairly benign use of projection in the early season with “amazement,” yes, it is unfortunate that Georgia’s longtime tradition of scheduling nationally from 1916 to 1965 fell by the wayside during the administration of Vince Dooley as head coach and athletic director.
In Coach Dooley’s defense, there were extenuating circumstances. In the mid-1960s, right around the time the ’Dawgs stopped traveling so extensively, Georgia Tech withdrew from the S.E.C., meaning that Georgia had to play a full conference slate plus an annual season-ending in-state showdown against the Yellow Jackets.
However, this factor and others (e.g., the neutral-site game with Florida, the very nearly annual encounters with Clemson and South Carolina before the latter joined the S.E.C.) are explanations, not excuses, and I am pleased that, as soon as Damon Evans succeeded Coach Dooley, he began placing calls to Ann Arbor, Boulder, Corvallis, Eugene, South Bend, Stillwater, and Tempe about arranging home-and-away series of this caliber.
The Mountain West is a fine conference and I have gone on record before arguing that the league’s champion deserves a better bowl tie-in than it gets. If you draw up a petition advocating civilly and straightforwardly the replacement of the A.C.C. with the Mountain West as an automatic B.C.S. bowl qualifier, I will sign it.
As you know, I agree with you that the significance of last weekend’s Pac-10 results was minimal. (I said as much in the comment linked to above.) You are right that Auburn’s 3-2 victory over Mississippi State wasn’t “exactly setting the world on fire,” but I live in S.E.C. country and everyone I know agrees that it was bad offense, not good defense, that produced that result. Anyone who rebuts the position that quality S.E.C. defense caused that outcome is answering an argument no one is making. That is a straw man.
As for Georgia’s 14-7 victory over South Carolina, I believe that generally was the result of good defense, in both directions. We will see over the long haul whether that is the case, but, if history is any indication, a low-scoring Bulldog win over the Gamecocks is in no sense a harbinger of bad things to come.
In short, everyone should ease off a bit. It’s early, and, rather than antagonizing one another over perceived slights, we should relax and enjoy the ride. I’m more than happy to accept constructive criticisms, but let’s be careful not to paint with too broad a brush here. After all, it’s Scott Wolf, an L.A. writer, who has Georgia ranked No. 1 and Southern California ranked No. 3. I have the Bulldogs and the Trojans reversed on my ballot. Fight the real enemy.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Sep 18, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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Well Said Kyle!
I am all for ending this ridiculous conference bashing that occurs each weekend. Of course, with our current BCS arrangement, this is not going to go away considering the behind the scenes forces that own and control our nations media, especially considering the intimate (and often times incestuous) relationship the media conglomerates have with the Council on Foreign Relations and the larger agenda these international corporations have together.
The BCS is really nothing but propaganda to keep people occupied and fighting one another so our Wall Street, Central Banking, Federal Reserve and foreign policy makers can quietly go about their business of setting up the North American Union and the United Nations agenda of a one world government.
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by bcsbusters on Sep 18, 2008 3:56 PM EDT 0 recs



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