Jinx! Buy Me a Coke!

In all seriousness, I want Georgia to be ranked No. 1, and I believe there are two benefits which make it acceptable that the ‘Dawgs are risking the infamous cover jinx:
- The magazine features 34 pages of scouting reports. If there’s a luckier number in all of Bulldog Nation than 34, I don’t know what it is.
- Maybe some mythical Montanans will see it and Stewart Mandel will acknowledge that Georgia is a national power.
Go ’Dawgs!
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Damn!!
I got stuck with the Ohio State cover. Since SI is doing regional cover issues, does the jinx still apply?
I think the answer to that . . .
. . . would have to be no.
One of the regional covers almost certainly will feature the eventual national champion, so the cover jinx should have no impact.
Let’s hope so, anyway. . . .
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Yes
One of the regional covers almost certainly will feature the eventual national champion, so the cover jinx should have no impact.Let’s hope so, anyway. . . .
wow
you were really bashing Mandel. I actually liked his “Montana Test”. It’s kind of like what they say about baseball players getting into the Hall of Fame, if you have to think about whether a player deserves to go or not, the answer is probably no.
I would put UGA in that “I have to think about it” catagory. They just don’t get the media attention (until this year kicks off) that the USC’s, ND’s, and LSU’s (these days) get. I think if UGA wins it all this year, followed by a top 5 recruiting class in Feb, you wouldn’t have to think about it.
This is yet another reason why you want to be ranked #1, the media attention.
I will simply say this:
Among Southeastern Conference squads, only Alabama and (less certainly) Tennessee have an argument that their programs have been superior to Georgia’s historically.
Among Southeastern Conference squads, only L.S.U. and (less certainly) Florida have an argument that their programs have been superior to Georgia’s recently.
If a person doesn’t believe the S.E.C. consistently is the deepest conference in the country (which I acknowledge a reasonable person could think), fine. If a person believes the S.E.C. is the toughest league, though, how can the only Southeastern Conference squad to be both a top-two or -three team historically and a top-two or -three team recently not be a national power?
The answer, of course, is: “By not winning a national title since 1980.” I find that argument unconvincing--Georgia in 2002 accomplished everything that L.S.U. accomplished in 2003 and that Florida accomplished in 2006; Georgia just happened to do it in a year in which there were two undefeated teams—but it is what it is in an increasingly (and unhealthily) national-championshipcentric sport.
That, more than anything, is why I want the ‘Dawgs to finish No. 1 this year: not so I can revel in the achievement, but so I can tell all the Stewart Mandels and the Mark-Richt-can’t-win-the-big-one yahoos to stuff a sock in it.
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Record book
Kyle took a swing at this, but I wanted to add a little more for those who have short memories.
LSU, like other schools in the SEC all have history and all of them have had their times of prosperity… okay, maybe not South Carolina or Miss St., but they have all slipped out of national, and even regional prominence at times.
LSU has been on a great 8 year ride, but what were the previous 8 years like?
1999: 3-8 (1-7)
1998: 4-7 (2-6)
1997: 9-3 (6-2)
1996: 10-2 (6-2)
1995: 7-4-1 (4-3-1)
1994: 4-7 (3-5)
1993: 5-6 (3-5)
1992: 2-9 (1-7)
44-46-1 (26-30-1)
Excuses
T. Kyle…
blaming a “national championshipcentric sport “is just an excuse for those who dont have one…I dont want to use excuses so I am not buying it. And other excuses like the 2002 season vs the 03 and 06 seasons…not buying those either.
UGA hasnt proven itself to be considered in the top-teir…..yet. Dont try to make excuses, lets just hope they change people’s minds in the years to come
And I have never heard of any “Mark-Richt-can’t-win-the-big-one yahoos”...where are those people?
by stevethehawk on Aug 8, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
For the record:
No, decrying the obsessive focus on national championships isn’t an excuse.
No, the comparison of Georgia’s 2002 season to more recent title runs by L.S.U. and Florida isn’t an excuse, either.
Yes, Georgia has proven itself to be in the top tier and, if Stewart Mandel and his ilk don’t “consider” Georgia to be there, they need to become better informed, because they’re wrong.
Yes, there are Mark-Richt-can’t-win-the-big-one yahoos, and here is one of them.
Beyond that, who in The Dawgosphere has been beating the Georgia-is-No.-1 drum more loudly than I? I’m not trying to make excuses or give myself cover; I believe the Bulldogs can, should, and will win the national championship this season, and I have said so, and will continue to say so, consistently.
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And....
Thanks for links…I am new to the site and have not read a lot of your material.
At first, I thought you were just complaining about the “lack of respect” that Georgia gets..I hate that argument, its a waste of time and doesnt exist.
However, I agree with Mandel’s assessment and thought he was spot on on the perception of the nation.
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First of all, welcome aboard!
Secondly, I try to offer an argument whenever I take a position; that doesn’t necessarily make me right, and I always invite civil debate, but, at a minimum, I try to give you a reason so you’ll at least know where I’m coming from, irrespective of whether you agree, and the comments are here precisely because this is a dialogue, not a lecture, so I welcome freewheeling discussion on open questions such as these.
Mandel very well may be correct about the national perception, but I took issue with his column (and did so so strongly) for two reasons: (1) the perception is simply mistaken, as Georgia is a national power by any reasonable definition; and (2) Mandel based his assertion of that perception on nothing, explicitly relying upon his presumption of what fictitious Montanans might think, if they existed, which they don’t.
As Sunday Morning Quarterback recently noted, the difference between Stewart Mandel and me is access. Mandel doesn’t get to see any more games than I do, and, while many more readers visit Sports Illustrated’s website than Dawg Sports, our potential readership (namely, anyone with internet access) is the same. All he has on me is the ability to chat up Knowshon Moreno in the locker room after the game or to pick up a phone and schedule an interview with Mark Richt. His position enables him to do that; mine does not.
What, then, does Mandel do with that precious access? Absolutely nothing. He’s just spouting off his opinions, no different from any random guy in a sports bar on a Tuesday night. He doesn’t have special insights gleaned from his position and the access that position provides; he’s just making crap up . . . literally. He didn’t even get Sports Illustrated to pay to fly him to Montana to interview the first 100 people he saw in Missoula; he just imagined what 100 Montanans might think and put that down on paper.
Mandel may have a point; real people actually may think what he supposes they might, but how are we to know that until and unless he goes out and talks to some of them? If that is the perception, wouldn’t Mandel’s readership be better served by his analyzing why the clearly erroneous perception that Penn State is more of a national power than Georgia exists?
That’s how Peter Bean would approach the question. That’s how Brian Cook would approach the question. That’s how Spencer Hall does, and Matt Hinton soon will, approach such questions. However, Stewart Mandel, with greater access and more tools at his disposal, consistently whiffs at pitches any of three dozen bloggers would put in the cheap seats, if only given the opportunity to take a single major-league at-bat.
I have tremendous respect for actual beat reporters, who are gathering information the rest of us cannot where the rubber meets the road. We are dependent upon their access, their skills, and their professionalism. The punditocracy of talking heads and insipid columns, however, has failed us, which is why guys like Stewart Mandel drive me absolutely batty. His column is just a waste of space, period.
Anyway, sorry about the rant. I’m glad you’re here, and I appreciate your taking the time to comment. As for the rest of it, have no fear; I am 100 per cent on board for the idea that Georgia is No. 1!
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Quite a rant...
Yes, thats quite a rant.
Mandel’s access is what makes him more qualified to make that arguement. I am not sure what your travel habits are during the season, but he travels all over the country and probaby has a better “pulse” of the nation than you or many of the other bloggers you mentioned (I think, I do not know those other guys travel habits either)
In fact, a previous job of mine, allowed me access to college football on a national scale and the info and perceptions I gathered then are in line with what Mandel writes on the subject.
I would say Penn State was more of a national program than Georgia when Mandel’s column originally came out in 2007. That is all Penn St used be before 1990, like Notre Dame, a huge national program. And, to when Mandel originally wrote that column, still has that national perception of power. As of right now 8-8-08, today, I am not so sure.
And, please explain further why you think “The punditocracy of talking heads and insipid columns…has failed us”
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When and where . . .
. . . does Stewart Mandel travel?
I’m sure he used to, and maybe he still does, but I haven’t seen evidence of it in his mailbag-heavy columns. As near as I can tell, he could be doing his job in his underwear in his parents’ basement.
As for the ways in which the punditocracy has failed us, here are three good examples and one lengthy diatribe.
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The montana test
Is absurd and has absolutely no value whatsoever. Mandel’s inconsistent reasoning just shows this; e.g. Penn State is a “national power” despite not having done anything of note since the early 90s. And no, they don’t get the national coverage UGA has gotten in the past 10 years, even with all the stories wondering whether JoePa is a zombie or not. Mandel doesn’t even apply the standard evenly.
UGA wasn’t getting that much less media attention at the end of last year than LSU, and LSU won the BCS title game. They certainly got a ton of attention over the second half of the season, and an insane amount at the end of the season.
May the wings of liberty never lose a feather
No UGA cover for me
I was the proud recipient of a USC regional cover.
I will promptly be burning that sucker.
Uniforms
So I flipped through the regional covers at the SI site. Are SEC members the only teams nationwide to include a conference patch in their uniforms?
Even if they could...
do you think you’d be particularly proud to be walking around with an ACC patch on your uniforms? That’s more like a scarlet letter, isn’t it?

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