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Without Trinton Sturdivant, Is Georgia No. 1?

Football season is almost upon us. Seemingly the entire membership of the United Nations (Burnt Orange, Double-T, and Rock M . . . for crying out loud, there are more Big 12 blogs with "Nation" in the name than there are Big 12 stadia with "Memorial" in the name!) is talking about poll voting, Brian Cook is getting philosophical upon that very subject, and I earlier this week issued the final call for feedback on my intended BlogPoll ballot.

Here, however, is a question which, frankly, must be asked:

In the wake of the injury to Trinton Sturdivant that had Quinton McDawg lamenting his loss as "the most damaging" imaginable and MaconDawg listening to emo (no . . .

. . . not that Emo), is Georgia still No. 1?

Your input is humbly solicited; try to answer dispassionately, not as though you had just viewed the scoreboard montage. Discuss.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Yes, it is a bad loss.

But Georgia is still #1 until proven otherwise. Other teams that are also ranked have also suffered injures. But I give all of them the benefit of the doubt until it is proven otherwise. This is also a time to see how a coaching staff handles the loss of an important player.

"The Bear will not quit! The Bear will not die!"
-- Former Cal quarterback ('56-'58) and coach ('82-'86) Joe Kapp

by monolake on Aug 14, 2008 1:02 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a weird way to put it...
But Georgia is still #1 until proven otherwise.

That would seem to suggest that UGA has already proven they are #1, which they haven’t. So in my mind there is no “proof” that needs to happen to unseat them. Poeple can arbitrarily move UGA around, since they arbitrarily put them there in the first place. Nobody even knows the difference between power rankings and preseason polls anyway (because there is no standard on how to vote), so I don’t think it matters. Plus the coaches poll is already on the books, and it is the only poll that matters in the BCS anyway.

However, if yall give up 2 or 3 sacks in the first game, there is going to be a lot of “talk”.

by LSU Jonno on Aug 14, 2008 9:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's about depth

People don’t (or shouldn’t, at least) vote a team No. 1 based solely on the quality of the starters. Injuries happen to every team, every year. It’s a team’s depth and resilience that make it a No. 1 team. Voters saw enough quality depth on Georgia’s team to vote them No. 1. Let’s see if they were right.

by BenG on Aug 14, 2008 7:55 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

The only person I’ve seen immediately call for Georgia to lose its #1 ranking in the wake of Sturdivant’s injury is Bruce Feldman on College Football Live on Tuesday, but we found out on CFL yesterday that Missouri is his national title pick anyway.

Y’all have a great o-line coach, so in time I think it will be okay. The one catch is that Arizona State DE Dexter Davis is going to be a beast this year and he and Luis Vasquez combined for 15 sacks last season. You’ll be seeing them before whoever replaces Sturdivant is completely settled in.

I think though that no matter how often they get to Stafford in the backfield, UGA’s defense could get to Carpenter twice as often. However, I can definitely foresee a barrage of hits from the blindside playing a part in an unexpected upset in the desert. In other words, the Arizona State game just got a whole lot more interesting.

by Year2 on Aug 14, 2008 8:24 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think it really matters. There going to decide it on the field anyway. Georgia got through last year with an even less experienced offensive line and they were 11-2. If they can run successfully through the schedule with 1 or even 2 losses it might be enough.

I did not see BRUCE FELDMAN on College Football Live but I did read his column on ESPN Insider where he fielded the same question. He said in his column/chat/whatever you want to call it, that after talking with coaches around the SEC he said that because Stacy Searles is such a good offensive line coach that they(the Dawgs) might be able to weather the storm. Georgia runs alot of screen plays which takes pressure off the offensive line. I believe there is a link to the article is on either this website or Get the Picture, or Georgia Sports blog.

The thing that I do not understand is why there are SOOOO many people guaranteeing Georgia to lose 3 or 4 games- PHIL STEELE. Particularly in regards to the South Carolina Game and the Arizona State game.

I believe that alot of the lack luster play against South Carolina the last 6 or 7 years has been because they are over looking them. They have not played well but still won 5 out of the last 6. Like two years ago in Columbia when Stafford subed in for an injuried Joe T. Overall, the team played pretty crappy. It was a frustrating game to watch but Georgia still won the game 18-0. I think if this game was played late in the season when you have a better idea of what kind of team you really are you would get a more realistic result.
 I don’t know if any of you watched the South Carolina spring game but it was pretty awful. I know your not supposed to read into spring games much but when the starting offense throws 5 picks against the 2nd and 3rd string defense (plus 3 picks by 2nd string offense vs 1st team D) is hard not to scratch your head and wonder about a team’s future prospects.

As far as Arizona State is concerned: I think they are a good team but this idea that the media has concocted about “Georgia will not be able to handle playing at 8pmEST/6PM MT or 5 pm PT in Arizona.” What kind of BS is that? Last year the Sun Devils allowed 55 sacks! That is 3rd worst pass protection in the country! If there Reserves who are now taking over for the graduating Seniors were so good, then WHY WEREN’T THEY STARTING LAST YEAR WHEN THEY COULD HAVE USED THEM?!!!!! If your interested in the footage go to you tube were it shows Rey Maualuga knocking the bejesus of Rudy Carpenter. One more thing about the Pac-10 I think I should point out. When I’m ripping on a member of the PAC-10, that does not mean I am ripping on SC. I am fully aware of the greatness that is SoCal. That seems to be a hard concept for people outside the south to understand so I threw that in there.back to the Sun Devils.

Everytime the Sun Devils played a team that was even with them or better they got killed(USC, OREGON, TEXAS,). I filled out picks for Tony Barnhart’s Postseason Bowl last december and against my better judgment picked ASU to cover the -2 against the Longhorns. Texas was bigger and faster. It did not matter that ASU scored more points and threw for more yards in the RegularSeason or that the game was played at a location(San Diego) closer to Tempe than Austin. Texas won 52-34. The Longhorns beat them like they stole something. I think Georgia’s offense is better than ASU’s defense and I think Georgia’s defense is better than ASU offense. I am not worried but the SUN DEVILS have my attention I am sure thanks to the media they have the football team’s attention as well.

I don’t know about you but playing in Knoxville, J-ville, Auburn, or even Columbia is a much tougher test than going out to play a 2nd or 3rd place Pac-10 team.

   I fully expect people to question Georgia’s chances. Whatever is going to happen is GOING TO HAPPEN; And, yes there will be some close games. I believe the dogs have what it takes to get the job done regardless of the obstacles. People keep saying that no team has ever conquered a schedule like this. Well, Dawg fans there is a first time for everything. Lets just wait and givem a chance to prove it before you jump ship.
The season better hurry up and get here. I think the pressure is getting to me. Sorry for going off on a rant there.

by cousinwalter on Aug 18, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It could be worse

Personall, I wouldn’t have voted UGA #1 in the first place. However, I don’t feel like this injury is significant enough to warrant dropping the team down. This isnt an injury like Oregon suffered last season, where the loss of Dennis Dixon instantly changed them from a top 5 team to barely capable of scraping the top 25. That injury completly changed the makeup and capabilities of the Ducks. That is the type of setback that can, and should, change rankings. For UGA, the loss of Stafford or Knowshon would be comparable. Even someone like Asher Allen or Reshad Jones would be a bigger hit.

The reason I feel like this loss can be overcome, as mentioned before, is depth. Despite much talk to the contrary, our offensive line was going to be very good this season. We return much more experience this season all throughout the two deep along the line. Factor in the emergence of Cordy Glenn and Kiante Tripp, along with the return of wizard/magician/voodoo priest we have as our offensive line coach, and our offensive line still remains in better shape than it was a year ago. Remember, we were worrying ourselves sick over Sturdivant this time last season. Also, as Senator Blutarsky pointed out today, the SEC media didn’t think enough of Trinton to put him on any preseason All SEC team, yet now his injury has derailed our MNC hopes? I think that is an overreaction.

Another thing that factors in is the method of ranking used. If you are a proponent of resume ranking, the fact is that there is not yet any resume to use. If I were asked to make a preaseason poll, I would look at returning starters, returning coaches, and where the team in question finished last season. Georgia still returns 17 starters, a number which is higher than any MNC contender except for the War Plains Tigers out in Auburn. No siginficant coaching changes were made nor have any brand new schemes been introduced to the team. Most importantly, all of these things describe a team that finished #2 last season. There is still a lot to fear when lining up opposite the Georgia Bulldogs. Despite the severity of the injury and the importance of the position it is at, it is not worth moving the Dawgs down in any poll.

by SG Standard on Aug 14, 2008 10:09 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not quite
Georgia still returns 17 starters, a number which is higher than any MNC contender except for the War Plains Tigers out in Auburn.

Except Ohio State, who returns 19 from a team that went to the national title game. They have a senior QB who doesn’t make many mistakes, a potential 2,000-yard rusher, an offensive line with four upperclassmen, and a defense with only one underclassman starting. And they’re all good too, since someone from almost every position on the field will be drafted next year.

I’m really having a hard time understanding why Ohio State is not everyone’s #1; “But they lost two straight MNC games!!” doesn’t count as a valid reason.

by Year2 on Aug 14, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frankly, I agree

Ohio State should be #1, based on numbers alone. You have to assume Boeckman will make a similar step-up much like Stafford did last year, and Beanie Wells is just as good – if not moreso, than Knowshown.

I think the nod to Georgia was given because Stafford’s a much more proven commodity at this point, but I don’t consider it a stretch to assume that Boeckman will make the same leap in his sophmore year that Stafford did.

Ranking USC ahead of Ohio State is even more absurd. All USC is doing is replacing their quarterback. Ignoring for a moment that Sanchez is now hurt, does anyone remember watching Sanchez play last year? USC was not good in those games.

by CAJason80 on Aug 14, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um...

Boeckman is a senior this year. He sat behind Troy Smith for three years (one a redshirt) and got to start last year. He also had better numbers than you think. Compare him with Stafford last year:

Boeckman: 190-280 (63.76), 2372 yds (7.96 yds/att), 25 TDs/14 INTs, 148.9 passer rating
Stafford: 194-348 (55.75), 2523 yds (7.25 yds/att), 19 TDs/10 INTs, 128.9 passer rating

I think we can agree at this point that Stafford has a higher ceiling, but nothing except INTs jumps out as a red flag with Boeckman.

by Year2 on Aug 14, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, sorry

Meant to clarify – sophomore year in terms of starting. I agree that Boeckman has every opportunity to make the same step-up as Stafford did in his second year starting, and I think he will.

Being totally homerish for a second, I actually have a pretty good feeling that tOSU will beat USC. I have no idea why I think this, but I do.

by CAJason80 on Aug 18, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course

Don’t see how I forgot them. For what it’s worth, I have OSU on the top of my theoretical top 25 poll. The last two bowl results are meaningless. They return the most from a team that did a lot. I have a rule in life-if you can go into a season expecting to be in rebuilding mode and make the BCSCG, you are #1 in the SG Standard Top 25 Poll the following season.

by SG Standard on Aug 14, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except

I think that the beatdowns in the BCSNCG showed Ohio State for what they are: A good or possibly great team in an average of slightly above-average league. It’s not the results themselves, unless they seem indicative of something deeper — and I think they do.

For the record, I don’t think Southern Cal will win the title either — but I do think they’ll beat Ohio State. which is why I don’t have them at No. 1. (If you’re a resume voter and accept a tOSU loss, I don’t see how you can — almost any other one-loss team among the contenders would be better than an one-loss tOSU team that lost to Southern Cal.)

Call me a terrible conference homer, but let’s even take the SEC out of it — I still think Ohio State is the fourth-best team outside the SEC. Yes, they return 19 starters — from a team that might have had two impressive wins all year. Sorry, don’t see it. If they beat Southern Cal, they’ll get in the Top 2, and maybe even No. 1 on my ballot. But I have to see it first.

by cocknfire on Aug 14, 2008 11:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why Not?

If a preseason ranking is meant to approximate the way a team is intended to finish their season, then why not maintain UGA’s number 1 ranking. Anyone who has read my fanpost realizes that this injury also gave me pause, however I do have faith in the talent we have recruited, our excellent Offensive line coach, our dominating defense, and the playmakers we have on offense. Who else are we going to name #1? USC (injured QB), UF (porous D riddled with injuries and lacking quality depth), Oklahoma (remember the Boise State Statue of Liberty/WVU beatdown), Ohio State (finish the season #1? LOL), LSU (Who’s the QB), Auburn (Who’s the QB, how well will the spread work)?

My point is merely that all teams have question marks heading into the season. UGA looks to be great this year, and championship caliber teams are so regarded because of depth and their capacity to deal with adversity. We have depth and talent to rotate on the line. We have an excellent O-line coach. Richt is accustomed to dealing with inexperienced lines and a loaded backfield over the past several years. Our strength of schedule will help us handle an early loss if it comes to that. We ease into the season which will help the line, and in our tough early matchups, we can alwayshold Figgins back in there to help block the pass rush and depend on our incredibly stout D. We Get a bye before UT, and the line should be experienced before the LSU, WLOCP, KY, AU gauntlet. All this and the fact that we suffered a similar loss of our O-line leader at the onset of the 1980 season, the last NC year for the dawgs. We will reload at the position, and deserve to be in the #1 spot.

by dawgdayafternoon on Aug 14, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are other legitimate contneders for the #1 spot...

I think OSU and OK are both legit alternatives to UGA being #1. However, the ranking is mostly arbitrary, so i say Go Dawgs!!!.

I personally think OK will win it all this year. That is my early prediction. I think Sam Bradford is good and will only be better this year.

by Zandor435 on Aug 14, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points, everyone

I just cast my ballot a few moments ago, which I will be posting tomorrow morning.

Thanks, as always, for the feedback.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Aug 14, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Late to the party

But as a dispassionate (even anti-Georgia) guy, I can only say “h—- no,” this doesn’t knock Georgia out of the No. 1 spot. No, I don’t underestimate the importance of protecting the QB’s blind spot. But to say that this opens up some massive hole in UGA’s title hopes — don’t see it.

Now, if Moreno goes out for the season …

by cocknfire on Aug 14, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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