Thumb Wars: ESPN Examines Steve Detwiler's Place in History
[Fade in.]
Mike Tirico: Welcome back! We’re wrapping up ESPN’s coverage of the College World Series with this special retrospective look at the Cinderella season of the Fresno State Bulldogs, the lowest-seeded team ever to win a collegiate championship in any sport. F.S.U. got to the C.W.S. finals by going undefeated in elimination games just like Georgia did and the Cinderella story continued in Omaha as Fresno made Georgia just the second team ever to win the first game of the College World Series best-of-three finals yet go on to lose the final two games since the current format was adopted a mere five years ago. Had the Bulldogs of Georgia finished in first, they would have had 24 losses, the most ever by an N.C.A.A. baseball champion so instead Fresno State has the most losses ever by an N.C.A.A. baseball champion with 31, but Georgia came up short when Fresno State capped off its Cinderella season with an improbable victory by a regional No. 4 seed, making the champions the lowest-seeded team ever to reach an N.C.A.A. final. With me now are Kirk Herbstreit . . .
Kirk Herbstreit: How’s it going?
Mike: . . . and Mark May.
Mark May: Hey.
Mike: Kirk, Mark, one of the best storylines that evolved out of this Cinderella College World Series victory by the lowest-seeded team ever to reach an N.C.A.A. final was the story of Steve Detwiler. Some think he’s the love child of Ray Liotta and Kathleen Turner; some think he looks like Eddie Munster; others simply think of him as the Bucky F’ing Dent of Bulldog Nation. Nevertheless, the Thumbless Wonder led this Cinderella Fresno State squad from the lowest seeding ever by a team to reach an N.C.A.A. final through an undefeated run in elimination games, and he did it with his thumb hanging on by a thread.
Kirk: Incredible!
Mark: Amazing!
Kirk: Just . . .
Mark: . . . I mean . . .
Kirk: Wow! What can you say?
Mike: Guys, I think the question has to be asked. In this amazing performance, in which the lowest-seeded team ever to reach an N.C.A.A. final went on a Cinderella run, going undefeated in elimination games, how does Steve Detwiler’s thumb stack up against the other great thumbs in history? Do we have to rank Steve Detwiler’s thumb as the Best Thumb Ever?
Kirk: No question you have to give consideration to Steve Detwiler’s thumb after this amazing Cinderella run by a No. 4 regional seed, which is like being a No. 13 or 14 seed in basketball, through elimination game after elimination game. Are you kidding me? There’s no contemporary thumb out there that can hold a candle to Steve Detwiler’s thumb. If you’re going to find any comparison at all, you have to look back at great thumbs throughout history.
Mike: Well, let’s talk about that, then. Mark, is Steve Detwiler’s thumb the Best Thumb Ever?
Mark: I believe so, Mike, and here’s why. When Auburn ran its winning streak over Alabama to four games and were threatening to make it five in a row, the Tiger faithful had a slogan: "Fear the thumb." Well, there is no more fearsome thumb in all of sports than Steve Detwiler’s thumb. I mean, what thumbs are there out there that even compare? Tom Thumb?
Mike: All right, fair enough, but, Kirk, what about Little Jack Horner? He stuck his thumb in a Christmas pie and pulled out something special, just as Steve Detwiler stuck his thumb into the College World Series and pulled out a Cinderella storybook ending to a season by a No. 4 regional seed that had to win one elimination game after another just to survive. I mean, isn’t that a fair comparison?
Kirk: Come on, Mike! There’s no way to compare those two things! Steve Detwiler was in Rosenblatt Stadium, with Mike Patrick and Orel Hershiser and Poopsie . . . the big time! Little Jack Horner was sitting in a corner, by himself, a loner, with no one watching!
Mark: Yeah, and what did Little Jack Horner pull out, anyway? A plum? One lousy, stinkin’ plum? That’s nothing! That can’t even compare to batting in six runs in the final game of a Cinderella season by the lowest-seeded team ever to win a championship!
Mike: Are you sure you’re not selling Little Jack Horner short, though, guys? John Horner was the steward to the last abbot of Glastonbury Abbey at a time when Henry VIII was doing away with monasteries and, while Horner was taking the deeds to twelve manors with him to London to deliver as a bribe, he stole the best of the deeds---the plum, if you will---and kept it for himself. Acquiring Mells Manor in Somerset can’t compare to winning the College World Series? Really?
Kirk: What are you talking about?
Mark: It’s Omaha, Mike!
Kirk: Seriously, Mike . . . Little Jack Horner? What, are you sitting there with your thumb up your . . . ?
Mike: All right, that’s all the time we have for now. Join us later for "SportsCenter," where the debate will continue over Steve Detwiler’s thumb’s proper place in the pantheon of all-time great thumbs after Detwiler’s damaged digit helped to lead the Fresno State Bulldogs, the lowest-seeded team ever to reach an N.C.A.A. final, on a Cinderella run through a series of elimination games to win the national championship, when Trey Wingo and Scott Van Pelt will tackle the thorny question of Steve Detwiler’s thumb versus Thumbelina. In the meantime, be sure to visit ESPN.com and vote in our poll question, "Is Steve Detwiler’s thumb the Best Thumb Ever?" Good night.
[Fade out.]
Go ‘Dawgs!
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The thing is,
Some producer at ESPN would actually fill a 3-minute spot with this, replete with a sponsored intro brought to you by the refreshing drink of the hour.
by The ArchDawg on Jun 26, 2008 10:13 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice to see the WAC Wack the SEC for a Change
After watching (more like suffering) Georgia manhandle Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl, it was nice to see a team from the WAC win BIG in Omaha. Actually in all three games FSU looked to be the better team. Georgia got darn lucky in the first game when the ball seemed to literally bounce in their favor (esp the ball that bounced off second base). One thing comes to mind…Hawaii was overrated in the Sugar Bowl but so was Georgia in the College World Series. Interestingly, even Hawaii played FSU tougher throughout the season. As they say: “what goes around comes around….I guess being overrated is one of them go and come arounds:-)”.
by wes from kakaako on Jun 26, 2008 10:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah, I know what you mean . . .
. . . being unranked in the preseason and finishing No. 2 in the country? Totally overrated.
Being the lowest-ranked of the eight national seeds yet finishing ahead of all seven of the other national seeds? Yep, overrated again.
Getting the toughest opening-game College World Series draw and upsetting the No. 1 national seed in the first round in Omaha? O-ver-ra-ted!
At every turn, I have congratulated Fresno State and acknowledged the West Coast Bulldogs’ legitimacy. (I hope you will notice that the foregoing posting is a shot at ESPN’s coverage and in no way is critical of Fresno State or its achievement.) Even after the latest in an impressive series of Georgia comebacks on Monday night gave the Red and Black a 1-0 lead in the finals, I acknowledged that F.S.U. proved that it belonged.
Fresno State was the better team over the course of the series, although Georgia won the first game and the last game was significantly closer than the score indicated. (Had Steve Detwiler been walked intentionally in his last two at-bats and had Danny Muno made one error in the ninth inning rather than three errors in the eight that preceded it, we would today be celebrating Georgia’s third N.C.A.A. championship of 2008.) If you think the College World Series finals were in any way comparable to a 31-point Sugar Bowl whipping administered to a team whose schedule strength qualified it for nothing more than the Division I-AA playoffs, however, you’re not living in a different region of the country; you’re living in an alternate reality.
If you’re the sort of person who believes in making himself feel better by trying to make other people feel badly, I truly feel sorry for you and I regret that good W.A.C. fans are made to look worse because of your lack of class. I congratulate Fresno State (again) on the win, which was much deserved, but the Golden State Bulldogs and their conference coevals deserve better fans than you, sir, and, unless you adjust your attitude significantly upwards, you can take your crap somewhere else. I’m not putting up with it in my house. “What goes around comes around,” indeed.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Jun 26, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
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Preaching to the choir
The fact that this is actually true, is sickening. IMO, it says a lot when a blogger as professional as Kyle King chooses to publish a piece like this. It just goes to show how off base ESPN was with their CWS coverage.
Well done Kyle
Larry Munson: "Whaddya got for us Loran?"
Loran Smith: "Well Larry, I'm down here with Charles Grant...and he just loves boiled peanuts!"
Larry Munson: "Good stuff, Loran"
by loran smith on Jun 26, 2008 11:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Well done, but...
You could have used one or two more “no question”s in there. Whenever I watch a segment with college football (or any other sport, really) analysts talking, I like to count how many times someone says “no question.” The most I’ve noticed in a single Gameday segment was five.
by Ramblin Jeff on Jun 27, 2008 2:27 AM EDT 0 recs
I'm assuming all five
were made by Herbstreit. The man really likes that phrase.
ESPN is reporting now that Fresno State is the greatest team ever. Source: ESPN/ Disney Cinderella department.
Larry Munson: "Whaddya got for us Loran?"
Loran Smith: "Well Larry, I'm down here with Charles Grant...and he just loves boiled peanuts!"
Larry Munson: "Good stuff, Loran"
by loran smith on
Jun 27, 2008 8:34 AM EDT
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Good point Jeff . . .
Which always leads me to wonder: if there’s “no question” about it then why did Chris Fowler take a break from picking out curtains to ask in the first place? Why didn’t he look at the writers 15 minutes before going on and say “These questions are tantamount to no questions at all. Bring me something more incendiary, minions!”
by MaconDawg on
Jun 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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What's funny to me is Wes's . . .
“transitive WAC smack talk” approach: “My school got beaten into rancid poi by your team in football, but the team we almost beat two months ago just beat you in a totally different sport. So there!” Oh, and I give it 12 hours before he comes back and says “I’m not a Hawaii fan!!!”
And I can’t help Detwiler with his thumb, but I did offer him the middle finger at least three times on Wednesday night.
by MaconDawg on Jun 27, 2008 11:01 AM EDT 0 recs
Two phrases I could do without ever hearing again...
Hol-lee cow
Can you believe it
by JDav on Jun 27, 2008 11:51 AM EDT 0 recs
Well done indeed
One of the funnier posts I’ve read in a while. Nice job.
Every time ESPN would show Ditwiler yelling after a hit (by himself or by a teammate) it would infuriate me. Mainly because he was kicking our butts but more so because of the man love he was getting from Oral “Bulldog” Hershiser and Mike “What’s Brittney doing” Patrick. Is there an over/under on how many times they said Cinderella or “the thumb” yet, cuz I’m taking the over.
FWIW; Nice job in handling the WACed-out WAC fan with class.
by deanpat92 on Jun 27, 2008 2:29 PM EDT 0 recs







