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"Playoffs?!?!": A Reply to Garnet and Black Attack's Modest Proposal (Part III)

In retrospect, perhaps it was an overstatement for me to insinuate that Brandon and DC Trojan, inter alia, were communists (although ardent playoff proponent Brian Cook admits to being a college football socialist); as it turns out, self-confessed pinko and Barack Obama supporter Doug Gillett is a bowl traditionalist and Hillary Clinton reportedly opposes a playoff, as well. This, then, is an issue that transcends right and left, and I welcome college football fans of every political creed to the cause of fighting back the playoff scourge.

I’m a uniter, not a divider. Just like President Bush. Uh, O.K., bad example.

In all seriousness, though, I want to thank T.H., Year 2, and everyone else for their thoughtful comments and I now forge ahead with my reply to Brandon’s rebuttal of various anti-playoff arguments in the last (scheduled) posting of a series including a pair of previous installments.

Picking up where we left off, I now turn the next of Brandon’s contentions:

4. The lies of plus-one lite.

The "plus-one" proposal favored by some traditionalists, or what C&F likes to call "plus-one lite," would do little more than reshuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic. (Let the cliches flow like waterfalls!)

This version of plus-one would take the rankings, redo them after the four (or five) BCS bowls and then seed No. 1 and No. 2 all over again.

Huh?

So who, exactly would you have chosen as the teams to play after this past year's BCS events, dear traditionalist?

Georgia vs. Southern Cal -- the "hottest" teams in the land! (This was nonsense, but anyway...) But LSU beat the No. 1 team. Don't they deserve a shot? Georgia, after all, lost to South Carolina and got blasted by Tennessee. Southern Cal couldn't beat Stanford, for crying out loud. What about the Kansas Jayhawks, they of the lightweight schedule, heavyweight coach and significant victory over Virginia Tech? Or West Virginia, who rolled over Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl?

Same problems, same controversy. It's just adding another game to get the same argument.

I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I am on record in opposition to the "plus one" model. I would add only the self-evident observation that the plus-one advocates are not the "dear traditionalist[s]," who believe five B.C.S. bowls are one B.C.S. bowl too many (and that the Cotton Bowl, rather than the Fiesta Bowl, ought to be one of the "big four" once more). The plus-one approach is, at best, a neither-fish-nor-fowl attempt at a compromise between rival camps who have fundamentally different premises and objectives; at worst, it is the nose of the playoff camel being allowed under the tent of the Division I-A college football postseason.

The more important of Brandon’s later points is this:

5. The BCS isn't the only non-playoff solution.

True enough. But what do you replace it with?

The old bowl system? Well, you could, and that's certainly logically consistent. But then we do have a mythical national championship, based on nothing more than the polls. If you think the sport doesn't need a true champion, that's fine. But it's unfulfilling for most fans.

And if you're going to create another one-shot championship game, how exactly do you do it? A selection committee, which can impose common sense but only by using human subjectivity? Drawing names from a hat (which, in fairness, might actually yield better results than the BCS)? A secret ballot by some bigwigs?

As my previous postings upon the subject have illustrated consistently, I completely support "impos[ing] common sense . . . by using human subjectivity." (How, by the way, would common sense be brought to bear without using human subjectivity?) I am all in favor of deciding such things by voting, although I prefer the largely open electoral system presently employed by the polls to a "secret ballot."

For me, the bottom line is that I agree with Paul Westerdawg that the problems inherent in designing a playoff system would guarantee that it would work badly, certainly in the long term (with the inevitability of expanding the playoff field, about which more anon) and probably in the short term. Brian Cook essentially acknowledges this when he concedes the correctness of the argument that "the commissioners would screw it up."

Doug is right: embrace the madness!

The devil is in the details, which is why I cannot share Sunday Morning Quarterback’s sanguinity about the ease and reasonableness of accepting a playoff in principle then worrying over the minutiae afterwards. What form the tournament takes is of vital importance. Are we to follow Brian’s proposal and allow a non-conference champion to be crowned the national champion? Are we to follow Brandon’s proposal and allow a first-place finisher in a downtrodden league to be awarded a seat at the table? Both courses are worse than the present system, but it matters which poison the playoff proponents plan to pick and pour down the rest of our throats.

The problem with the B.C.S. isn’t that it incorporates too few of the features of a playoff; the problem is that it accepts too many. Predictably, the results have followed the N.F.L. model, both in terms of commercial overkill and in terms of on-field results. Under the 13 years of the Bowl Alliance (1995-1997) and the Bowl Championship Series (1998-2007), these final scores have resulted from the designated national championship game:

1995: 62-24
1996: 52-20
1997: 42-17
1998: 23-16
1999: 46-29
2000: 13-2
2001: 37-14
2002: 31-24
2003: 21-14
2004: 55-19
2005: 41-38
2006: 41-14
2007: 38-24

Most of those games weren’t even close, and some of those that appeared competitive on paper (e.g., the 2004 Sugar Bowl between L.S.U. and Oklahoma, the 2001 Orange Bowl between Oklahoma and Florida State) weren’t as close as the final scores indicated. These, by contrast, are the final scores of the bowl games that produced the Associated Press national champion in each of the 17 seasons immediately preceding the Alliance:

1978: 14-7
1979: 24-9
1980: 17-10
1981: 22-15
1982: 27-23
1983: 31-30
1984: 24-17
1985: 25-10
1986: 14-10
1987: 20-14
1988: 34-21
1989: 33-25
1990: 10-9
1991: 22-0
1992: 34-13
1993: 18-16
1994: 24-17

In the era in which multiple New Year’s Day games carried consequences, the bowls that produced the country’s eventual top team were decided by single-digit margins a dozen times in a 17-year span, while the 13 years since have produced eight contests settled by two touchdowns or more, including half a dozen outright blowouts. College football’s postseason wasn’t broken, but these are the results of the non-traditionalists’ attempts to fix it. Now they want to rectify the existing state of affairs by going farther in the direction in which we have gone too far already?

Thanks, but no thanks. Where college football’s postseason is concerned, I will take my cues from C.S. Lewis and William Faulkner rather than trust those who (irrespective of whether they will admit as much) are advocating a system which eventually will balloon to such size that not even a conscientious playoff advocate could call its results legitimate.

Why am I so confident that mission creep (or, in this case, bracket creep) is unavoidable? I believe a Division I-A college football playoff inevitably will grow for the same reason P.J. O’Rourke argued (correctly) in Parliament of Whores that federal spending would continue to grow: "The budget grows because, like zygotes and suburban lawns, it was designed to do nothing else."

That’s right; I just opened up a can of P.J. O’Rourke all over you!

The N.C.A.A. basketball tournament has ballooned from eight teams to 16 teams, then to 32 in 1975, 40 in 1979, 48 in 1980, 52 in 1983, 53 in 1984, 64 in 1985, and 65 in 2001. Major league baseball went from inviting two teams to the World Series for 65 years to splitting the leagues into two divisions apiece in 1969 to splitting the leagues into three divisions apiece (despite not having a number of teams that was evenly divisible by three) and introducing "wild card" teams in 1994. The Super Bowl went from being a single championship game pitting the winners of the A.F.L. and the N.F.L. at the end of the 1966 season to being the culminating contest of an eight-team playoff beginning in 1970. The tournament field expanded to ten teams in 1978 and to twelve in 1990.

Ah, but that’s "not quite the same," the playoff proponents say; those sports are different from college football. Fair enough, then; let’s look at college football exclusively.

N.C.A.A. Division I-AA college football came into being in 1978. In the first year of play in what is now (absurdly) known as the "football championship subdivision," four teams made the playoffs. The number of postseason invitees in Division I-AA increased to eight teams in 1981, twelve teams in 1982, 16 teams in 1986, and 20 teams beginning in 2010. In the comment linked to in the second paragraph of this posting, Year 2 claims that, if we "[p]are the numbers down" in Division I-A, "there will never be a problem with keeping a playoff at no more than 8," but this claim is refuted by the fact that, as more and more Division I-AA teams have defected to Division I-A, the Division I-AA playoffs still have continued to expand.

The trend is unmistakable and undeniable. Whatever tiny percentage of teams would make the cut initially, a far larger share would make the grade as the bar progressively was lowered. How well served has the sport been by this approach?

That was a rhetorical question . . . you know, like the one on the "Dark Knight" poster.

Of the last dozen Division I-AA national championship games, five have been won by margins of at least 20 points and three of the other seven were settled by ten points or more. In the 2007 Division I-AA tournament, three of the eight first-round contests were decided by a field goal or less, whereas the other five featured margins of at least two touchdowns, including beatdowns by scores of 44-15 and 44-7. Half of the quarterfinal games were resolved by double-digit margins, one of the two semifinal games was settled by a 20-point margin, and the championship game resulted in a four-touchdown victory by the winner.

These N.F.L.-style mismatches are the future of college football if we surrender to the playoff temptation. At a time when fan interest and television ratings have improved consistently over the course of the B.C.S. era, it is hard to believe that fans truly prefer the prospect of such a substandard product to the one being offered on the field now. (Yes, many of last year’s B.C.S. bowl games were mismatches, too, but the 2007 postseason was somewhat aberrational for Division I-A football and, once again, a return to the historic bowl tie-ins, rather than an advancement of the playoff-like aspects of the present format, would rectify this problem.)

That, at least, is how I see it. As always, I welcome all of your continued contributions to the ongoing dialogue upon this weighty topic and I thank Brandon for taking the time to share his ideas. Although I disagree with his conclusions, he has added to the discussion with thoughtful reflections and a civil tone. A large part of my desire to preserve college football’s historic system of bowls and polls stems from the fact that I want to retain the ability to engage in such meaningful arguments as these, not only during the offseason but even, and especially, while the games are being played.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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Playoffs

The main argument I hear deployed against a playoff is that it will devalue the regular season. I just don’t understand this argument.

1. Georgia opens their season against Georgia Southern. Is there any doubt that game will be sold out? It’s a completely meaningless game that Georgia has almost no chance of losing. So why will there be an overflow crowd? It isn’t “tradition,” or “rivalries!” or any other CFB cliche – it’s the fact that there are only six homes games per year.

2. Anti-playoff people argue that individual games won’t mean as much with a playoff. Presumably, that’s because losing won’t be as detrimental to title hopes and going undefeated or winning major rivalry games won’t be as sweet, or whatever. However, this year Georgia lost to Tennessee and South Carolina (one of the worst teams in our league), yet we were in the hunt for a national championship on the last weekend of the season. If the regular season is so all-important meaningful and even a single loss is devastating, blah-blah-blah, explain this. Also explain how so many of the most recent national champions had a loss on their record.

A similar arrow in the anti-playoff quiver is “West Virginia – Pitt OMG!” The argument here seems to be that if there was a playoff, the West Virginia-Pitt game wouldn’t have been as meaningful. However, if there was a four team playoff in 2007, losing to Pitt would have knocked WVU out of the picture, and the anguish would have been the same. If there had been an eight team playoff, WVU would have one of the worst seedings, and would have to play amazingly well against the absolute best teams in the country to win, thereby earning such a win.

Furthermore, Why the hell would you want WVU-Pitt to be important? If you’re going to argue that the Giants can’t be considered true champions because of their record, then why even play WVU-Pitt? We all know if that game had been played 100 times over, WVU takes 99. There is nothing to suggest that Pitt is a better team than WVU, and the result on the field was an aberration.

by wesgiglio on May 21, 2008 2:51 AM EDT   0 recs

Last season was an aberration

It was the only time in the era in which the final polls were released after the bowl games that a two-loss team won the national championship, and only the second time ever. Georgia was in the hunt only because of this most unusual circumstance.

You’re right that West Virginia wins that game 99 times out of 100, but the game they played was that lone 100th time. Yes, it was aberrational . . . a fact which pollsters may take into account. Playoffs . . . not so much. Last year’s New England Patriots would have beaten last year’s New York Giants nine times out of ten, too, but, because that one time out of ten took place in the Super Bowl, N.F.L. fans are stuck with an eye-rollingly silly result and there is nothing they can do about it.

Finally, I want Pitt-West Virginia to be important because the Backyard Brawl matters to a great many fans. I happen not to be one of them, but I suspect many people in Pennsylvania don’t really care about Georgia-Auburn. Rivalries matter because they matter. I hate Auburn.

Consider the 1980 and 2002 Georgia-Florida games. The ‘Dawgs won the first, went 12-0, won the S.E.C. title, won the Sugar Bowl, and finished No. 1 in the nation. The ‘Dawgs lost the second, went 13-1, won the S.E.C. title, won the Sugar Bowl, and finished No. 3 in the nation. Under a playoff system, those results wouldn’t have affected the national championship: an undefeated or one-loss S.E.C. champion Georgia squad makes the playoffs, regardless of whether the Bulldogs beat the Gators.

Beating the Gators would matter to some extent, anyway, of course; playoffs wouldn’t rob the regular season of all meaning, but winning or losing that one game was everything. I like that it matters that much. Would you really want to be operating under a system that encouraged Mark Richt to rest his starters against Georgia Tech?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on May 21, 2008 8:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not very likely
Would you really want to be operating under a system that encouraged Mark Richt to rest his starters against Georgia Tech?

Since I can’t see how in anything smaller than a 24-team playoff Richt could be sure that he’d make the playoffs even if he lost to Tech and then lost the SEC championship game, that’s a somewhat dubious argument.

It’s not quite as true for, say, undefeated Ohio State playing undefeated Michigan. But seeding matters in playoffs (the winner would likely be the #1 overall seed; the loser probably kicked down to a #4 or so), and if it’s one-loss Ohio State playing one-loss Michigan, there’s a very real chance the loser ends up staying home.

by drothgery on May 21, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

One of the differences between college football and the NFL is conference championships earned after the end of the season, in conferences with as many as 12 teams. Losing to Georgia Tech would knock Georgia out of a four game playoff. Even if we’d been undefeated, losing by resting starters would probably knock them out of an eight-gamer, as the folks at ESPN would foam at the mouth about it.

A playoff would retain the subjectivity you prize so much – voters would still have to rank the teams, unless it went to some system where every conference champion got in and no-one else, which won’t happen.

by wesgiglio on May 21, 2008 2:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not worth it otherwise
unless it went to some system where every conference champion got in and no-one else, which won’t happen.

If it doesn’t happen, then why bother having a playoff? We’ve already got a system that provides the illusion of rigor while ensuring no such thing. Creating a playoff that involved even a hybrid approach with some component of polling would be rather like standing up a committee to design a horse and coming out with a camel.

by DC Trojan on May 22, 2008 1:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

For any one particular team to finish the regular season with 0 losses or 1 loss is also an aberration. It happens to someone every year, but for a particular team to do it is not the norm. No one’s history is has more of such successful seasons than less successful seasons.

As long as we’re bringing up 2002: had Richt rested the starters and lost to Georgia Tech, it would have knocked UGA from a solid 3 to back in a jumble with USC and Iowa. It’s impossible to say for sure what order the three would be in, but it’s not certain that Georgia would have been #3 or #4 still and playing for the title in a plus one system. The BCS formula worked in mysterious ways back then.

As for rivalries, they’ll always mean something in college football. People in Mississippi cared about the Egg Bowl even though nothing but pride was on the line last year. People in Alabama still cared about the Iron Bowl even though nothing but pride was on the line last year. I can tell you for sure that people cared about Florida/FSU and FSU/Miami even though nothing but pride was on the line last year.

The only threat to a rivalry game in a particular year would be when one team is in the national title hunt and one team isn’t. That was the case with WVU/Pitt last year, or Georgia/GT in 2002. The number of rivalry games in that situation is minuscule every year, since there are lots of them and only the ones at the end of the season are affected, and it wouldn’t be greatly expanded given a 4, 6, or 8 team playoff. Especially since the number of teams in the national title hunt (or an 8 or fewer team playoff hunt) is still small and not all of them play year-ending rivalry games.

Besides, there already is a scenario today that would result in a motivation for Richt to rest his starters against Tech: if Georgia is not in the national title hunt but has won the SEC East. It would be in his best interest to preserve his best players for the SEC title game the next week. Such a scenario has already happened in 2003 and 2005.

Coaches are too competitive to just lose games anyway, especially when there’s prestige and money on the line for finishing at the top of the polls. Richt gets a $50,000 bonus for finishing in the AP top 5, so even with a playoff he has no reason to throw a game away against GT.

by Year2 on May 21, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're both making two assumptions

The first is that the playoff field will start small (which probably is true) and that it will remain small (which almost certainly is not at all true, if every other playoff in major American collegiate or professional sports offers any indication). In a 12- or 16-team playoff (where the Division I-A playoff probably would be a decade or so after its inception), a twice-beaten S.E.C. champion makes the field with room to spare.

The second is that the major conferences won’t have automatic playoff berths, which undoubtedly is mistaken in any playoff featuring more than six teams. Suppose, for instance, that Florida goes into the season-ender against Florida State after the Gators have clinched the Eastern Division championship. Knowing (a) that Tim Tebow’s shoulder is sore from the pounding he has taken over the course of the campaign, (b) that the Seminoles are shadows of their former selves, and© that L.S.U. awaits in the Georgia Dome--none of which, by the way, are unrealistic scenarios—Urban Meyer considers starting his backup quarterback against F.S.U. and saving his Heisman Trophy-winning star player for the conference title tilt.

Unrealistic? I don’t think so . . . but, even if it is, the mere notion that such a thought might occur to a coach ought to be all the reason a college football fan would ever need for opposing a playoff.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on May 21, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That scenario you described is precisely what I described for Georgia. Even without a playoff, the incentive to rest Tebow in that situation exists today thanks to the automatic BCS bid that being conference champion carries. There have been plenty of examples where teams that looked like locks for BCS at-large spots have been passed over, so winning the conference is the only way to hit the jackpot for sure.

And I know it’s not really related to your point, but no matter how often Meyer has said he’s going to lighten the load for Tebow, he’s never once done it. Tebow plays in that game no matter what based on that, but for any other coach/QB combo the hypothesis is plausible.

However, I don’t think many coaches would purposefully hold out starters against a real opponent like that, much less a rival. A Sun Belt or I-AA team? Sure. Not a rival. There’s too much at stake from a recruiting standpoint at least in the state of Florida. I can’t speak to other rivalries and states, but it does matter who wins the games between the Big Three schools in Florida.

As for mission creep, I’ve mentioned this before but it’s a symptom of increasing the number of teams in a particular league. If MLB had 15 teams like it did in 1960, there would be no wild card or LCS. If Div. I basketball had 100 teams, there would be no 64-team tournament.

The rapid expansion of I-A football has caused the bowl system to balloon to 34 games for 2008. However, the bowl system might actually act as a barrier to playoff expansion. After all, the playoffs are the only postseason everyone else has. As long as the bowls stick around so 6-6 ACC teams can play 7-5 Sun Belt teams and make them feel special for making the “postseason,” then the pressure to expand the playoff won’t be as great.

by Year2 on May 23, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

P.J.

P.J. O’Rourke was great on Wait Wait this weekend.

by Year2 on May 21, 2008 8:08 AM EDT   0 recs

Playoffs
Are we to follow Brian’s proposal and allow a non-conference champion to be crowned the national champion? Are we to follow Brandon’s proposal and allow a first-place finisher in a downtrodden league to be awarded a seat at the table?

Yes, and yes. As long as we have independents that we can’t possibly ignore (Notre Dame, Army, and Navy cannot be excluded by definition from the college football playoffs) and one conference where two-way ties are quite possible as it has neither divisions and conference championship nor a true round-robin schedule (the Big Ten), then there have to be spots in the playoffs for teams that don’t win their conference outright. And every conference champion has to have a guaranteed slot in the playoffs, so that 99% of I-A can get in the playoffs regardless of what pollsters or computer rankings say.

This isn’t hard to figure out, and means a 12-team playoff at minimum. Since I hate byes in football playoffs (the combination of a week off and home-field advantage - and any playoff with more than two rounds will play the opening round on the higher seed’s home field - means that there’s very little point in playing the game at all; the higher seed will win over 75% of the time*), and there are usually five very good teams that didn’t win their conference, I favor filling out the bracket to 16.

  • That’s what happens in NFL divisional round games, and the talent disparity between #1 and #8 in I-A is generally a lot larger than the talent disparity between the Patriots and the Jaguars.

by drothgery on May 21, 2008 1:17 PM EDT   0 recs

"Independents that we can't possibly ignore"?

Army has been neither good nor relevant for more than a season at a time in my lifetime.

Navy was a nice story under Paul Johnson, but he’s gone.

Notre Dame’s last national significance came in 1993. The Fighting Irish have been trading on sheer name recognition ever since.

I think we can ignore every independent out there.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on May 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

The existence of independents is not in itself an argument for their inclusion in a playoff structure. Notre Dame manages to endure being part of the Big East for sports that don’t generate enormous television contracts and revenue that doesn’t have to be shared – so they could theoretically adapt to a league if they wanted to be part of playoff.

by DC Trojan on May 22, 2008 1:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, I'm a Syracuse fan

... and complaining about ND’s membership in the Big East for everything but football is sort of traditional among fans of members of the Big East football conference. But since the NCAA can neither dictate conference membership, nor membership in a conference at all, ND doesn’t have to join a conference for football if they don’t want to.

by drothgery on May 22, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're the one arguing tradition is a Big Thing

... and there’s way too much tradition at ND (and to a lesser extent Army and Navy) to create a system where it’s impossible for them to play for a title. I’m not saying it’s likely. I’m just saying we can’t create a system where they have no chance at all.

by drothgery on May 22, 2008 11:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On a totally different topic...

That is an awesome picture of GW. I mean, literally, the picture looks amazingly clear and colorful on my screen. I’m not a big personal fan of his, but that is an amazingly good picture.

by blackertai on May 22, 2008 12:03 AM EDT   0 recs

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