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Urban Meyer: Befuddled by Time, Causation and Other Assorted Phenomena

I'm no physicist, and the closest I've ever been to a theoretical mathematician was probably at the bar of the TGI Friday's in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Airport (nice guy, Dodgers fan, on his way back from some conference). But even I can tell that Urban Meyer is having some trouble with the fundamental building blocks of existence. No, I'm not talking about Percy Harvin's bum heel. At least not today.

I'm talking about Meyer's comments at a recent booster event in Miami. Meyer said that it's harder to judge players' character these days because "The NCAA is pulling us off the recruiting process", at least according to ESPN . Meyer continued "I'm not allowed to go out  anymore. I'm not allowed to text message. I'm trying to find out as best I can. You just keep re-evaluating."

This response was of course precipitated by the recent scandal brought on by former UF safety Jamar Hornsby's using a teammate's dead girlfriend's stolen credit card  70 times to buy gas. To Meyer's credit, he kicked Hornsby off the team in short order after the allegations came to light. No "letting the system take its course" or referring questions to the university judicial office. Good for him. He also called the girl's father to apologize . Again, that's the stand up thing to do and he should be applauded for it.

But Urb is all wet on this latest justification for player misconduct. Why? Because Hornsby signed with Florida in 2006, when head coaches were allowed to be on the road. In fact, head coaches were only kept on campus this year after other coaches began following Meyer's lead by recruiting on the road extensively. Meyer was previously the unchallenged king of the head coach visit.  And this was also of course before the text message ban. Hornsby signed with UF at the height of Meyer's finger-flapping recruiting heyday.

So, Jamar Hornsby may or may not be a scoundrel or a criminal or any number of other things. I don't know the guy. I do know that college kids do stupid things, some of which are criminal and many of which are morally questionable.

 But I also know this: Urban Meyer had every modern tool available at his disposal to evaluate the young man's character. Perhaps he was wrong. If so I don't fault him for that. If you're going to be too damned something (and we all are, what with being human and all) , being too damned trusting of your fellow man is not a bad option. But don't blame the NCAA for your poor judgment or poor team discipline after the fact.

Because in order for the text messaging ban or the prohibition against head coaches on the road to have had any effect, they would have to have been in place when you recruited the guy, coach. Which they weren't. They also weren't in place before Nyan Boateng broke into his ex-girlfriend's home , or before Ian Smith passed out in the men's room at Amici's. I'm calling charades on this. Meyer is the most recent, possibly the first, but probably not the last coach to invoke this line.

Don't believe any coach who tries to pull this over on his loyal fanbase. The fact is, most high school boys have some character flaws. How do I know this? Because I was one. So were many of you. But I think we can all agree that there's a lot of growin' up to be done between the ages of 17 and 21. College football players do that growin' up under the watchful eye of people like Coach Meyer, who as employees of our nation's colleges and univiersities are acting, for limited purposes, in loco parentis . That is, in place of parents. College coaches have a responsibility both to their schools and to their players. Sometimes they guess wrong on a guy, and when they do, they should discipline accordingly and admit they messed up. It's going to happen at every school eventually.

But they shouldn't blame the NCAA. The NCAA didn't offer the scholarship. The NCAA didn't schedule the character education classes. The NCAA doesn't patrol Austin or Ann Arbor or Athens on a Saturday night looking for bad behavior. When a college athlete does stupid things, it's his or her fault. It might be the coach's fault for not making the school's expectations clear. But it is most certainly not the NCAA's fault.

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I don’t see where he’s using restrictions as a retroactive excuse for Hornsby’s case. You might be reading that into his comments based on the way the article is written. I think it’s more of a preemptive excuse for future misconduct by players.

by Year2 on May 16, 2008 11:06 AM EDT   0 recs

A reasonable point Year2,

and I don’t want it to sound as if I’m saying Meyer is rationalizing Hornsby’s behavior, or the coach’s response to it. Because I think his response to that incident has been exactly what I would want Coach Richt to do in the same situation.

And with it being a second hand source, it is possible that ESPN omitted the line where he says “of course, that’s not the case in Jamar’s situation . . .” While I may question ESPN’s journalism sometimes, I can’t believe they would have left out that critical a detail. If they did, I’d like to preemptively apologize for misconstruing Coach Meyer’s comments.

But the fact that the Hornsby situation obviously came up in the same talk where he delivered the line makes me think that the two are related. Putting on my lawyer hat, there’s an old adage that says that if a law says that it applies to two or more situations, without excluding similar related situations, you can assume that the similar related situations are covered by the law as well. That’s kinda what I’m going on here. Making an excuse of this type hard on the heels of the Hornsby situation called for a denial that the excuse applied to Hornsby, unless you meant to imply that it did. But even if we are talking about a preemptive excuse, I still think it’s a pretty lame one.

And then there’s the related question of exactly what text messaging a recruit from 800 miles away tells you about his character. I’m still trying to figure out how that works. I guess if he texts back “CANT TALK . . . ROBBING 7-11” that would be a hint.

Oh, and thanks for your comments on the blog. Reasonable folks of all rooting interests, even Gators, are always welcome here and you’ve really contributed to the discussion. Even if, as Kyle points out, your quarterback is the root of all evil. And a glorified fullback with a wristy delivery who’s destined to be the next Eric Crouch. At least he’s never drunkenly cuddled his backup in the infield during a NASCAR race. So there’s that.

by MaconDawg on May 16, 2008 11:44 AM EDT   0 recs

I’m on board with less personal contact being detrimental to discovering character, but grouping text messages is reaching pretty far.

The sort of people who are going to know the most important red flags about a recruit – his coaches, teammates, family and friends – are not likely to report them because they want that recruit to get that offer from the big schools. I’m sure many recruits put on a good act during the recruiting process, but the more interaction time there is, the harder it is to stay in character.

As far as ESPN’s reporting, I don’t know how right they got it. The article says that Horsnby was suspended for last year’s Georgia game for selling his tickets to it, which is true. It neglects to mention that the entire suspension lasted to the end of the regular season, for 5 games in total. Leaving that out isn’t essential to the story that the article was reporting, but it was incomplete from a journalistic standpoint. Without a transcript or video, we’ll probably never know for sure the whole meaning.

I do know that Meyer has been known to use weasel-speak from time to time, as most coaches are wont to do, but I really wish he wouldn’t. That’s for fans to do, not coaches. I also wish he’d stop hanging out with Bill Belichick, but that’s another issue for another time.

by Year2 on May 16, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Weasel Speak Indeed

Urban Meyer is simply dragging the Red Herring acroos the path of the news reporter hounds. In the emminent words of Robert Perry Sentell – ‘A thin skull indeed.”

"At Georgia Southern we don't cheat, cheating takes money and we don't have any" Erk Russell

by Lrgk9 on May 19, 2008 12:52 AM EDT   0 recs

Woo hoo!

Shout out to SECTION T !!!

by NCT on May 19, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So is Urban Meyer . . .

. . . a professor of jorts of sorts?

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on May 19, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I must have missed the part where Meyer said that face to face evaluations

are foolproof and 100%. Or could it be that you’re letting your hatred of the Gators skew your ability to rationally analyze his remarks in an objective manner?

by kudzoo on May 20, 2008 1:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Is it true, MaconDawg?

Are you letting your hatred of the Gators skew your ability to analyze Urban Meyer’s remarks rationally and objectively?

If this charge is true, I have just one thing to say to MaconDawg:

Nice job, buddy. Keep up the good work.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on May 20, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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