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Week Ten BlogPoll Ballot Revised

In the midst of a weekend filled with confusion and birthday celebrations, I cast a largely intuitive BlogPoll ballot which generated some discussion but conformed pretty closely to the preliminary BlogPoll.

Nine of my top eleven were identical to the BlogPoll as a whole. The only exceptions were Oklahoma and Southern California. I had the Trojans sixth and the Sooners seventh, while my fellow bloggers had the two teams reversed.

Below that, it was a bit of a muddle, but the only teams about which I differed more than two poll positions from the BlogPoll overall were North Carolina (15th on my ballot but 18th in the poll), California (16th on my ballot but 21st in the poll), Ball State (18th on my ballot but 15th in the poll), Pittsburgh (20th on my ballot but unranked in the poll), Cincinnati (22nd on my ballot but unranked in the poll), and Georgia Tech (23rd on my ballot but 20th in the poll).

The BlogPoll ranked three teams (No. 19 Brigham Young, No. 24 Florida State, and No. 25 Northwestern) which did not appear on my ballot, although I gave consideration to the Wildcats. In addition to the Panthers and the Bearcats, I also included Oregon State on my ballot at No. 25.

In examining these deviations from the conventional wisdom, I came to the following conclusions:

  • I was wrong about Southern California, which accomplished less by beating Ohio State while losing at Oregon State than Oklahoma did by beating Cincinnati and Texas Christian while losing to Texas at a neutral site. I have the Horned Frogs ranked two spots ahead of the Buckeyes, I have the Bearcats ranked but not whatever team is the second-best victim over whom U.S.C. has triumphed, and I have the team that beat the Sooners ranked fifth and the team that beat the Men of Troy ranked 25th. Accordingly, I reversed the order of the two teams’ placement.


  • I’m satisfied with the slightly higher ranking I awarded to North Carolina. The Tar Heels’ two losses were three-point setbacks to conference opponents from the Old Dominion, while U.N.C.’s victories have come at Miami (Florida) and against Connecticut, Notre Dame, and Boston College. None of these teams are world-beaters, but they each have winning records and all are likely bowl teams. North Carolina doesn’t have a marquee win per se, but neither do the Tar Heels have any embarrassing losses, which justifies their placement ahead of Louisiana State and Michigan State.


  • I don’t get why the BlogPoll has Michigan State ranked four spots above California. The Golden Bears are 6-2 overall and 4-1 in conference play. The Spartans are 8-2 overall and 5-1 in conference play. Cal lost at Maryland (which leads the A.C.C. Atlantic Division and is ranked outside the top 20 only because of bad losses to Middle Tennessee State and Virginia) and at Arizona (a demonstrably fluky team which played toe-to-toe with U.S.C.). Michigan State was annihilated by Ohio State in East Lansing. The Bears beat the Spartans head to head. I’m satisfied with having California ahead of a Michigan State team the Berkeley Bears beat straight up and in front of L.S.U. and Ball State squads which lack marquee wins comparable to Cal’s.


  • I am completely justified in ranking Ball State lower than the BlogPoll at large. The Cardinals’ best wins are over Navy, which needed overtime to get by Temple at home last Saturday, and Indiana, which lost to Central Michigan last weekend to fall to 3-6. Ball State is Hawaii without the scenery or the excitement.


  • I gave Pittsburgh too much credit, which probably was true the moment I gave Pittsburgh any credit. The Panthers also beat Navy, going on the road and dropping a three-touchdown victory on the Midshipmen, and Pitt likewise has road wins over South Florida and Notre Dame. Since the victory over the Bulls has been robbed of its luster by two straight U.S.F. losses, I overrated a Big East club whose resume remains marred by losses to Bowling Green and Rutgers. Accordingly, I swallowed my own natural disdain for the Yellow Jackets, moved them up to 20th (where the BlogPoll has them and one notch above fellow A.C.C. division leader Maryland), moved West Virginia up to 22nd (where the BlogPoll has them), and inched Pitt and Cincinnati down to create a Big East logjam at the bottom of the rankings which mirrors the conference standings.


  • I stand by the Beavers as the most deserving three-loss team, in light of the strength of O.S.’s schedule. On balance, Oregon State’s losses to top-tier teams, coupled with the Beavs’ win over Southern California, gives the club from Corvallis a record of achievement superior to that compiled by B.Y.U., Florida State, or Northwestern against markedly weaker competition.

Accordingly, here is how my revised BlogPoll ballot looks:

RankTeamDelta
1 Alabama 1
2 Texas Tech 8
3 Penn State --
4 Florida 1
5 Texas 4
6 Oklahoma 1
7 Southern Cal 3
8 Oklahoma State --
9 Utah --
10 Boise State 1
11 TCU 6
12 Missouri 14
13 Ohio State --
14 Georgia 8
15 North Carolina 3
16 California 3
17 LSU 3
18 Ball State 3
19 Michigan State 7
20 Georgia Tech 6
21 Maryland 6
22 West Virginia --
23 Pittsburgh 3
24 Cincinnati 2
25 Oregon State 1

Dropped Out: Connecticut (#14), Florida State (#16), Minnesota (#18), Brigham Young (#23), Air Force (#24), Oregon (#25).

I’m not 100 per cent comfortable with this; while Oklahoma clearly belongs behind Texas, I am troubled by the idea that a team that lost to the Longhorns by ten points in Dallas is ranked two spots above a team that lost to the Longhorns by four points in Austin, so I might well be open to the idea of ranking the Cowboys ahead of the Trojans. Once again, there remains time for further revisions, so additional comments are welcome.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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I know this is a Georgia blog

… and so some degree of SEC homerism should be expected. And you have WVU, Pitt, and Cinci ranked, so my Big East homerism isn’t going to have me saying much about where Big East teams should go.

Nonetheless, Penn State clearly be #1, followed by Texas Tech, with Alabama #3. I’m sorry to inform you of this, but your Dawgs are looking worse and worse every week, which means that Alabama’s signature victory over Georgia is now less impressive than Penn State’s over Ohio State. Texas Tech’s win over Texas (even at home) looks better than either, but that’s the only thing even resembling a decent team that Texas Tech has played (no, they didn’t really want to play two I-AAs, but they still have to deal with the consequences). So you’ve basically got three undefeated major conference teams with soft schedules to date, and Penn State’s been by far the most dominant; the only one of the three consistently showing an offense and a defense.

by drothgery on Nov 4, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll tell you what . . .

. . . when Penn State hangs 52 points on L.S.U. in Baton Rouge or holds the ball for 42 minutes against Tennessee, you can tell me about how my team is looking worse and worse every week. The Bulldogs have played two bad halves of football—-the first half against Alabama and the second half against Florida—-and that’s it.

Even if you think Ohio State is a markedly better team than Georgia—-and, if you think that, you’re the only one; if, as seems likely, Georgia faces Ohio State in Orlando on New Year’s Day, the Bulldogs will be favored over the Buckeyes, whose next win over an S.E.C. team in a bowl game will be their first one—-the fact is that Alabama led the Bulldogs 31-0 at halftime and the Nittany Lions trailed the Buckeyes 6-3 past the halfway point of the fourth quarter. If P.S.U. had been +1 in turnovers in Columbus instead of +2, they’d have lost the game. How a team wins matters, too.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 4, 2008 8:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

UGA sucking it lately does hurt us here. (Sorry Kyle) Alabama’s SOS is 59th and Penn St is 56th. Though we have already played 2 top 10 teams, with a top 25 team coming up this weekend and a top 5 team in the SEC (fingers crossed). How many top 25 teams have Penn St played? 2…and we all know that Wisconsin was vastly overrated.

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Nov 5, 2008 12:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Lately"?

The Bulldogs have played two bad halves of football all year: the first half against Alabama and the second half against Florida. Admittedly, they were really bad halves, but they also came against two of the top four or five teams in the country.

Georgia is 7-2, with wins on the road over an increasingly impressive South Carolina squad and a talented L.S.U. bunch. While the ‘Dawgs could lose one or more of their remaining games, they will be favored to win all three, which will get them a New Year’s Day bowl game against a Big Ten team against whom they also likely will be favored. An 11-2 season and a top ten finish aren’t assured, but they’re a pretty good bet.

One of the games Georgia has played “lately” was one in which they hung 52 points on Louisiana State in Baton Rouge . . . one more than the Gators dropped on the Bayou Bengals in The Swamp. How sure are you that the Tide will score so prolifically in Death Valley?

Another of the games Georgia has played “lately” was a win over Tennessee. Here is how Alabama’s, Florida’s, and Georgia’s respective victories over the Vols stack up against one another:

First Downs Gained/Allowed:
Alabama: 23/10
Florida: 16/16
Georgia: 29/10

Total Yards Gained/Allowed:
Alabama: 366/173
Florida: 243/258
Georgia: 458/209

Rushing Yards Gained/Allowed:
Alabama: 178/36
Florida: 147/96
Georgia: 148/1

Time of Possession:
Alabama: 35:32
Florida: 29:58
Georgia: 42:04

If that’s “sucking it,” then all three teams are guilty of it.

Georgia played two bad halves of football in a nine-game span. That’s it. The Bulldogs still are among the top 15 teams in the country, even with all of their injuries on the offensive line and in the defensive front seven, and they likely will finish higher ranked than they are right now.

Obviously, Georgia isn’t as good as Alabama or Florida right now. Few, if any, teams are. From the lofty perch of greatness, to which the Tide only recently have re-ascended, you should not confuse the merely very good with “sucking it.” The likelihood of a sixth ten-win season in a seven-year span, while falling short of preseason expectations, does not deserve derision.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 5, 2008 7:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm tipping my hand a little here . . .

. . . but I will, in fact, be picking the Cowboys to beat the Red Raiders this weekend.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 4, 2008 8:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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