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Week 13 S.E.C. Power Poll Ballot Submitted

Whose idea was this S.E.C. Power Poll, anyway? Why did we have to pick a down year for the conference to do this? I mean, for crying out loud, we all know the Big 12 is the tougher league this year, but do we have to advertise it by running through the rogues’ gallery in such embarrassing fashion on a weekly basis? I never should have agreed to this, but, in for a buck, in for a bundle, I suppose. Here are the Southeastern Conference’s member institutions, arranged according to their present strength. As the name implies, this (unlike my BlogPoll ballot) is a power poll:

1. Florida: Yes, it was just The Citadel, but when’s the last time the Gators (or anyone else in the S.E.C., for that matter) hung 70 on someone? The Orange and Blue machine is set on "crush."

2. Alabama: How can the Crimson Tide be the last remaining undefeated team in the major conferences yet not stand atop the S.E.C. Power Poll? Simple; while the Florida team that waxed Georgia in Jacksonville was just getting warmed up, the ‘Bama squad that throttled the ‘Dawgs in Athens hasn’t been seen in weeks.

3. Georgia: Will 2008 go down in history as a disappointment on a level with 2004 or as a letdown on a par with 2000? That question will be answered this weekend, when a record-setting eighth straight win over the Yellow Jackets would lock up a sixth ten-win season in a seven-year span but a loss would mean that the Red and Black squad that entered the Georgia Southern game as the No. 1 team in the nation exited the Georgia Tech game as the No. 2 team in the state.

Losing to Alabama and Florida stunk, but let’s not even go there.

4. Ole Miss: If I were a Rebel fan, I’d really be giving the Arkansas people a hard time over the fact that they treated Houston Nutt as badly as, um, Mississippi treated David Cutcliffe. . . . Uh, nevermind. Anyway, the Rebs appear to have sewn up a Cotton Bowl berth, making them one of the feel good stories of the season.

5. Louisiana State: Anyone who blames the Bayou Bengals’ woes on their quarterback situation is making the same mistake as the Florida fans who blamed Tim Tebow’s sore shoulder for the Gators’ loss to the ‘Dawgs in 2007. Signal-callers don’t play defense. Unfortunately for L.S.U., neither do the Fighting Tigers.

6. South Carolina: A fairly impressive resurgence---or, given the Gamecocks’ history, surgence---by the East Coast U.S.C. was halted in the Palmetto State Poultry’s embarrassing loss to Florida. The coach whose nickname is "Darth Visor" stands a better than 50/50 chance of losing to a coach whose nickname is "Dabo." The former moniker was coined by opposing coaches who could not beat the Evil Genius; the latter moniker was coined by a slightly older brother who was too young to enunciate clearly when saying "that boy." Yeah, losing to Clemson this year would be more shameful than getting thumped by Urban Meyer, wouldn’t it?

That’s Dabo, not Dabney.

7. Vanderbilt: You know, bowl-eligible and bowl-bound aren’t the same thing. Satisfying the minimum standard to qualify for postseason play really isn’t that impressive an accomplishment.

8. Kentucky: I guarantee you that the Wildcat faithful realized it was basketball season a good week before I did. This is not to their credit.

9. Auburn: The Plainsmen epitomize mediocrity with their 5-6 record and their unbroken string of close contests in conference play. The sad part is that the Tigers have at least a puncher’s chance of winning what is sure to be a tight, low-scoring Iron Bowl.

I hate Auburn.

10. Tennessee: Does anyone else remember when a Volunteer win over Vanderbilt didn’t constitute an upset?

11. Mississippi State: The Western Division Bulldogs are so bad, they lost to Tennessee.

12. Arkansas: The Razorbacks are so bad, they lost to Mississippi State.

That is how the league breaks down, at least from my perspective. If you see it differently, feel free to say so in the comments below.

Go ‘Dawgs!

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I would be inclined to put Tennessee last on principle. But I agree with your assessment.

by berniedawg on Nov 24, 2008 9:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As disappointing...

as this season has been in the present, it’s all put into context when you post a picture of those two clowns together. What were we thinking when we hired Donnan, and did we all actually get excited about Quinthy Carter getting out of his commitment to Tech? I swear, that’s one of the nastiest pranks the Techsters ever pulled on us. How different might life have been if Quinthy Carter had played for Tech instead of UGA? Would we be going for 20 (?) in a row? Would JD still be our coach?

Folks, just look at that picture up there and say an extra prayer of thanksgiving on Thursday.

by Father Dawg on Nov 25, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disappointing?

UGA is sitting at 9-2, probably heading to 10-2 and a major bowl appearance. Your only losses are to the top ranked and 2nd/3rd ranked teams in the country. Their combined records are 21-1.

You shouldn’t get so hung up on preseason rankings and expectations that you consider a possible 11-2 finish disappointing. On top of that, your team is ridiculously young. If you can convince your 2 underclassman skill players to return, you can make another run – this time with a chip on your shoulder and everyone a year more experienced.

I also think the Big 12 is both top and offensive heavy this season. It makes them look better on paper, but being an SEC homer, I still say we would match up with them in a 12 on 12 tourney just fine this season.

by skigator93 on Nov 25, 2008 11:34 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously, disappointment is relative

In a recent comment, skigator93, you made the perfectly reasonable observation that you were glad to be living in the now, at a time when Florida football (which saw its standards raised substantially in the 1990s under Steve Spurrier) is reaching new heights under Urban Meyer, who probably is the odds-on favorite to win a second national championship in a three-year span.

While, obviously, Georgia does not have a national title to show for the Bulldogs’ recent success, that is the lone accolade they have not earned during the Mark Richt era, which has seen a similar upswing in the Red and Black’s already lofty historic expectations. If the ‘Dawgs can beat Georgia Tech and win a New Year’s Day bowl game—-neither of which I consider a given, incidentally—-a second straight 11-2 season will demonstrate that Georgia now occupies the position of a perennial power that seldom will be down, and never will be down for long.

A record that would have caused dancing in the streets under Ray Goff or Jim Donnan causes mild (only mild, mind you) grousing in Bulldog Nation under Mark Richt, just as last year’s 9-4 season was disappointing to the Gator faithful, who quite happily would have accepted such a campaign less than two decades earlier.

Georgia is a good team, maybe even a very good team. Georgia will have a good season, maybe even a very good season. However, Georgia, like Florida, has all of the institutional advantages of a year-in, year-out conference and national contender: an excellent coach, consistently top-shelf recruiting, top-notch facilities, good weather, a history of success, a scenic campus (if you know what I mean), an expectation of consistent achievement at the highest level, and a large devoted fan base that is prepared to support its team, financially and otherwise.

Georgia and Florida each enter every autumn with a reasonable expectation of winning the Eastern Division and going on to contend for the conference, and perhaps national, crowns. Because they play one another every year, either the Bulldogs or the Gators are going to go home disappointed. Obviously, the Saurians have enjoyed the lion’s share of the recent success in head-to-head matchups (although, in the post-Spurrier era, the Red and Black have made three S.E.C. championship game appearances to the Orange and Blue’s two, counting their upcoming date in Atlanta this year). The final score of this year’s Cocktail Party notwithstanding, these are two elite programs that can expect to enjoy many years of a rivalry that is on a par with what Florida State-Miami once was.

In other words, we’re disappointed with this year the way y’all were disappointed with last year, not because either was a bad year, but because it was not unreasonable for our respective expectations to reach at least as far as Atlanta, if not beyond.

Good luck the rest of the way. We’ll see y’all in Jacksonville next year for the renewal of a rivalry which, if anything, is only going to grow in significance as an annual showcase of perennial top ten teams who deem nine-win seasons unacceptable.

Regarding the Big 12, I haven’t broken it down team-by-team, but you may be right. Personally, I tend to think it’s a bit like picking a mutual fund . . . you don’t go with the one that performed the best last year; you go with the one that has performed the best over the last several years. This year, the Big 12 is the better league, top to bottom; over the course of the last five or six seasons, the S.E.C. has the better claim.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 25, 2008 12:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You make an excellent point

Our standards for both our programs are surely higher now than they have been in years past. I try to be realistic with my expectations – and surely expected a drop off last season for Florida after we lost almost all our key parts from the 2006 championship team on the defensive side of the ball. I did think that the offense would improve under Tebow as Leak simply didn’t fit the system. While the individual losses disappointed me, 9-3 sounded about right for us last season. (Plus, the UGA game was the only game we weren’t really “in” until the last play – all other losses were very close). The Michigan game was very disappointing because no SEC school should ever lose to a Big 10 team!!

While I would not be exactly thrilled with a 9-2 mark right now after the preseason hype for the Dawgs this year – I would not be nearly as upset as many UGA fans are at this point. You just happened to play 2 really good teams on days when you weren’t your best and lost. Now, all bets are off if Tech comes in and gets a ‘W’ on Saturday.

I do like your comparison of the old Miami/FSU matchups. It will be much tougher for us though because those teams always had a cakewalk ACC or Big East schedule and only had 1 tough game per year to prepare for!

by skigator93 on Nov 25, 2008 3:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

"I’d really be giving the Arkansas people a hard time over the fact that they treated Houston Nutt as badly as, um, Mississippi treated David Cutcliffe. . . "

Jemele Hill thinks thats a hyperbolic comparison. I know its hard to crank one of these out every week, and try to say something witty and new about each team every time, but surely you’re being disingenuous there.

I would argue that no college football coach in the nation has ever been treated as badly as Houston Nutt got treated at Arkansas.

by Bill Fremp on Nov 25, 2008 1:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was strictly in jest

Not to worry; I was just pointing out that both schools recently have made questionable decisions about running off capable coaches. It was a surface comparison for the sake of humor and wasn’t intended as a nuanced comparison. Nuance is something I do, but, when I’m kidding, I’m just kidding.

That said, when a guy goes 4-1 in bowl games, produces five straight winning seasons in his first five years on the job at a school that had posted a losing record six times in the 12 years just prior to his arrival, and gets fired after his first losing season, the school that let him go deserves to catch a little flak, even if the fan base didn’t file F.O.I.A. requests for his cell phone records.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 25, 2008 9:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SEC/Big 12 comparison

Here’s my look at a comparison. Its based on nothing other than me watching an ungodly amount of Football including numerous games for all 24 teams. The Big 12 rankings are based on the overall and conference records. You could shuffle the first 3 Big 12 teams around and I don’t think the result would be different.

SEC Big 12 Likely Result
1. Florida Oklahoma Florida
2. Alabama Texas PUSH (Depends on which Alabama shows)
3. Georgia Texas Tech Georgia
4. Ole Miss Oklahoma State Oklahoma State
5. Louisiana State Missouri PUSH
6. South Carolina Nebraska Nebraska
7. Vanderbilt Kansas Kansas
8. Kentucky Colorado Kentucky
9. Auburn Kansas State Auburn
10. Tennessee Baylor Tennessee
11. Mississippi State Texas A&M A&M
12. Arkansas Iowa State Arkansas

The Georgia pick may be homerism, but I think we would put up alot of points on that defense. Even so, I don’t think the Big 12 is that much better like the media seems to be portraying. That’s 6-4 to the SEC, 6-6 if both the pushes go to the Big 12. So at the worst, I see the two as even. The difference is the SEC plays defense. I don’t think Oklahoma and Texas Tech would be averaging 50+ and 40+ points respectively in the SEC

"Who knew that Florida would one day hire a coach that made us long for the graciousness and dignity of the Steve Spurrier era?"

Thus sayeth T. Kyle King

by RedCrake on Nov 25, 2008 7:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's How I See This Argument

—I’m not so sure Florida would beat Oklahoma—I see that as more of a push. Oklahoma’s offense is just as explosive—actually, I think moreso—than Florida’s. If defense is the difference, well…Oklahoma’s D has faced a lot more competent offenses than Florida’s defense has, so that could be the difference.
—I think the Tech/Georgia pick is a push. Although if our defense looked suspect against a freshmen UK QB and an inept Auburn offensive attack, what do you think Graham Harrell, Crabtree, and those other receivers will do to our defense? Tech beating UGA would not be an upset at all.
—Missouri would drill LSU. ‘Nuff said. And that’s without a custom-made Jarrett Lee pick-6 special.
—Uhhh, not so sure Baylor wouldn’t pull it out against Tennessee, either.

I certainly fall under the argument that as of right now, the Big XII is the top conference this season. This isn’t a slight to the SEC or anything, as conference strength is a cyclical thing. But to say the SEC is strong this year is, well, just not true—the top can hold its weight, but we’re talking the whole league here. The SEC the past two years, now that was strong, but not so much this one. This year, the league is chock-full of incompetent offenses, due to new schemes, young/inexperienced QBs, or some combination thereof: Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, LSU and South Carolina all have serious offensive issues, no real consistency or attack. That’s over half the league! And poor offensive showings are not just the cause of great defenses, either, as even that is down throughout the league.

However, besides the Big XII every league looks like its down this year, so the SEC probably slides into second place at the conference strength table.

by The ArchDawg on Nov 25, 2008 8:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those are all fair points, ArchDawg . . .

. . . and I think the question of whether Florida would beat Oklahoma will be answered in Miami on January 8.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Nov 25, 2008 8:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not so much about the top of the conference....

which as you said could hold its own. I’m just much less impressed with the depth of the Big 12 when you get to teams 6-12 than I am with the SEC. Texas A&M, Baylor, and Iowa State aren’t likely to jump up and get anyone. Tennessee, Mississippi State, and Arkansas on the other hand still have “some” potential.

"Who knew that Florida would one day hire a coach that made us long for the graciousness and dignity of the Steve Spurrier era?"

Thus sayeth T. Kyle King

by RedCrake on Nov 27, 2008 9:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just the fact that we are debating which teams would win

proves that then Big 12 is not head and shoulders above the SEC. I wish that some of these potential matchups owuld come to fruition. I also think that if we played in the Big 12, our offense would score 70 points per game.

by skigator93 on Nov 25, 2008 11:51 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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