Week Twelve S.E.C. Power Poll Ballot Submitted

I hate to admit it, but Doug Gillett and Orson Swindle are right; this is a down year for the S.E.C. There’s a good-sized gap separating the top two teams from the third-best team, and at least that large a chasm separates the third- and fourth-best teams. Below that, there’s a jumbled muddle ranging from the merely mediocre to the truly bad, particularly on offense. It pains me to say that this is how the Southeastern Conference stacks up right now:
1. Florida: Once again, this is a power poll, so the standards are somewhat different from those found in my BlogPoll ballot. No one in the conference is playing football on a par with the Gators right now; arguably, no one in the country is playing football on a par with the Gators right now. When Tim Tebow makes a bleary-eyed promise to get better, you can (unfortunately) take that to the bank. He has the most powerful tears of anyone other than Elaan of Troyius. (Wow, even I think that was an unbelievably obscure and geeky reference!)
2. Alabama: The Crimson Tide are solid and they’re undefeated, but they get a little less convincing with each passing week. If you’d asked me the day after the World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, I’d have welcomed a second shot at Florida, but I’d have been nervous about a rematch with ‘Bama. Now, a repeat performance with the Gators would seem even more daunting and another meeting with the Tide wouldn’t scare me too much.
3. Georgia: The Bulldogs do nothing particularly well except win against every team they’ve faced not ranked in the top five. They must be doing something right.

I’m not altogether clear on what that something is right this very minute, but, given time, I’m sure I’ll think of a plausible answer. . . .
4. Louisiana State: Believe me, this placement is strictly by default; the Bayou Bengals’ No. 4 ranking is an insult to everyone else, not a compliment to the Fighting Tigers. L.S.U. is talented, well-coached, and riddled with holes that prevent the team from living up to its potential. Basically, Les Miles’s team is Georgia with a Cajun accent.
5. Ole Miss: The Rebels very quietly have climbed back to respectability. There’s half a chance I’ll pick Mississippi to register what would only marginally qualify as an upset over L.S.U. in one of the country’s most underrated rivalries.
6. Vanderbilt: The Commodores overcame a quarter-century of unfavorable history to become bowl-eligible for the first time since I was in junior high. It will be the cruelest of ironies if Vandy receives a Music City Bowl bid for its trouble.
7. South Carolina: The Gamecocks were putting together a nice little season there, right up until the point that the thoroughly obnoxious and unsportsmanlike head coach of the Gators decided to hang 50 on them just to prove that he could. What goes around comes around, Stevie Boy.

8. Kentucky: The Wildcats have improved substantially not just as a team, but as a program, and Randall Cobb has given U.K. partisans a glimpse of an even brighter future. Unfortunately, none of that was enough to secure a win over Vanderbilt.
9. Auburn: The Plainsmen are good enough to play everybody in the S.E.C. close. They just aren’t good enough to beat anyone who isn’t lousy.
10. Arkansas: When the Razorbacks ran off Houston Nutt, the university athletic administration should have been flagged for intentional grounding, because that’s exactly where this program has been run. The Hogs are a mess. This team is basically Auburn with a smarmier head coach. I can’t believe I just typed that sentence.
11. Mississippi State: A respectable effort for a quarter or so against Alabama enabled the Western Division Bulldogs to avoid the cellar.

12. Tennessee: Has any program in the nation come so completely off the rails as this one? (Besides Syracuse, I mean.) As long as he’s meddling in college football anyway, the president-elect should declare this team a disaster area and send in Red Cross volunteers to aid the . . . um . . . Volunteers. Yeah, that sentence, like the Big Orange’s season, never stood a chance, did it?
Feel free to voice your agreement or disagreement with the foregoing as the spirit moves you.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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A couple of points...
We beat Ole Miss in Oxford and have a better record than they do. Vanderbilt beat Ole Miss in Oxford and has the same record they do. These are probably points worthy of taking into consideration.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 17, 2008 11:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
By that same point...
…Alabama beat Ole Miss, something Florida did not do. Something perhaps you should take into account, if you are going to criticize others for their power poll! Also, Alabama has the better record!
Seriously, I agree with Kyle on this one, if you are voting based on who you think is playing the best right now. I would take Ole Miss over all the teams listed below, and they do have a great shot for the upset against LSU.
by Kenny483 on Nov 18, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche...
Although I would contend that we can make an exception for teams that have been winning games by 40 point margins.
On the flip side, Ole Miss has done one impressive thing this year, beat Florida. Other than that they haven’t done anything but beat up on Sun Belt teams, lose to Wake Forest, and beat Arkansas due to a late OPI call against the Hogs. If they beat LSU, then maybe they’ll have an argument, but until then ranking them above South Carolina just because Florida did the same thing to South Carolina that the Gators did to LSU, Georgia, and everyone else they’ve played other than Ole Miss seems kind of disingenuous to me.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 18, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a power poll
If I were resume ranking, I’d consider those valid points.
However, it’s called the S.E.C. Power Poll and, if you told me Ole Miss and South Carolina were scheduled to meet on a neutral field next Saturday, I’d take the Rebels.
I very well could be wrong about that . . . which is why I don’t use power polling on my BlogPoll ballot. However, I’m not the one who named it the S.E.C. Power Poll. I’m a strict constructionist and I follow the rules.
By the way, for what it’s worth, the Georgia-Florida game (unlike the Georgia-Alabama game) was closer than the score indicated. (The 41-30 final score from the Alabama game actually would have been a representative outcome in Jacksonville, whereas the 49-10 final score from the Cocktail Party would have been a representative outcome against ‘Bama.) It wasn’t remotely comparable to the total skunkage South Carolina endured at the hands of the Gators.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 18, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick gripe
As if this season could be any more humbling.
As if I could hate Florida anymore.
Out of all teams, we have to rely on freaking Florida to put biggest beatdown on Steve Spurrier of his career.
Seriously, this universe is just backasswards.
by UgaBulldog14 on Nov 18, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice Sergio Leone reference in the picture selection...
Also, I’m torn on the Spurrier beatdown. Do the UF folks hate him that much that they enjoyed seeing a living legend of their program humiliated on a turf that he was once the king of? Are they so fickle that they appreciate seeing Urban Meyer humiliate the person that got them to the point where they are? It seems like it’s equivalent to the son kicking the crap out of his father just because he can, but that doesn’t necessarily make it right.
Am I being a pansy for Spurrier, or am I just trying to figure out why Urban Meyer is such a freaking jack ass?
by Father Dawg on Nov 18, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can understand
everyone not a Gator fan liking the fact Spurrier was on the other end for once. But can’t wrap my head around why the Gator fans would like it. I actually don’t despise ol’ Stevie-boy like most dawg fans. My parents (god love ‘em) went to UF and I grew up watching Florida games and having respect for the man who always said what was on his mind. Then i went to UGA (the dark side, as my father puts it) and grew to loathe all things Florida, but never Spurrier… I still had a bit of respect for that man. He put UF on the map. Turned them into the SEC powerhouse of the 90’s. Spurrier was the man Bear Bryant was talking about that would lead Florida to glory. To think that Gator fans/alum would want that to happen to him disgusts me. He didn’t leave on bad terms like almost every college coach does these days.
Just goes to show you how trashy and ungrateful Gator fans are
by knowshon loves legos on Nov 18, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have put it better myself about the Florida fans...
Although I don’t blame Urban for running up the score. Spurrier would have done the same thing if he had the chance.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 18, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think so?
Is Spurrier so cold that he would kick his alma mater like that? Does he have such resentment towards them down there?
And these feelings could all be because I want nothing more than to see it all come crashing down on the UF program somehow and someway. I didn’t watch the game, so I truly don’t know if it was running up the score or if SC just couldn’t stop them. Either way, I just don’t see how any self-respecting UF fan could have enjoyed that.
by Father Dawg on Nov 18, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If Vince Dooley had taken the Auburn job after the 1980 season (as he very nearly did), I would have wanted the Erk Russell-led Bulldogs to beat Vince’s Tigers every year, but there would have been no personal animosity that led me to want to see Coach Dooley humiliated.
Urban Meyer actually makes me appreciate Steve Spurrier, who may have been arrogant but who wasn’t a hypocrite. He said what he thought—-and, by the way, what he said was almost always true—-but he didn’t complain when the tables were turned. Coach Meyer is both a bully and a crybaby, which is two-faced and unseemly in the extreme.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 18, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dead on
Spurrier knows he’s getting what he dished out, and he’s taking it. Like a man.
Meyer = Hypocrite.
If you want to cry about the ‘celebration’ and write about it and claim it was bad sportsmanship.. then take the upper hand and be the bigger man about it.. Don’t call two timeouts in the waning minute of a beat down and expect any remorse next time you get “a bad deal”
by knowshon loves legos on Nov 18, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are right...
I didn’t mean I think Spurrier would run the score up on Florida (in an alternate universe where he could). I don’t think he would. He actually let up on Phil a couple of weeks ago. What I meant is that Spurrier has run the score up on opponents before and because of that doesn’t expect anyone to treat him any differently if they get the chance.
However, you’re right about Urban being a hypocrite. When Spurrier ran the score up on people, he told you that it was your job to stop his offense, not his. When it happened to him, he said he got his butt kicked—no complaints about sportsmanship or the like. Urban, on the other hand, complains to high hell when he gets shown up but then calls timeouts at the end of a game when he’s up by 30.
As someone who knew Steve Spurrier as an enemy before he became our coach, I’ll have to agree with Kyle that Spurrier was much more endearing as a Gator than Urban.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 18, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I don’t have the animosity towards Spurrier that most Dawg fans do because that was before my time as a Georgia fan. But I respect the fact that he takes it like a man and speaks his mind. Urban Meyer not so much, for the reasons you enumerate above.
by The ArchDawg on Nov 18, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's something . . .
vaguely Oedipal about Florida fans seeming delight in Spurrier having “half a hundred” hung on him in the Swamp. They’ve slain their father, and watched Urban Meyer ascend to the throne Spurrier vacated. Oh, and lest we forget, if the Gators win out and claim a second national championship under Urban Meyer, the Urbster will have claimed exactly twice as many national championships in Gainesvile as Frowny McVisorTosser himself. A new King, indeed.
by MaconDawg on Nov 18, 2008 12:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Apt description...
Gators don’t like to admit that football was played before 1990, but they also don’t like to admit that Spurrier built their program from the ground up. Admitting that would suggest that he’s in some way bigger than what he built. “Killing the father,” as you say, is the cure for their situation.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 18, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To which we must all ask,
would any of this have been possible without Spurrier having walked the sidelines of Florida Field at Ben Hill Griffin Stadium?
I’m sorry I even brought it up because it betrays some personal insecurities about the success of Florida. I’m feigning a righteous indignation because of my own personal animosity towards Florida, and it chaps me to no end that Urban Meyer could have two MNCs in four years (?) at UF while our coaching staff has nary a one with a similar rate of success. It’s as if the football gods deem it inappropriate for Athens to house the crystal football by allowing us to have our outstanding years when other teams are having their own outstanding years instead of letting us be heads and shoulders about the competition. /pity party halted.
by Father Dawg on Nov 18, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
It would not be possible if Spurrier had not put Florida in the position it was. Even the Zooker couldn’t undo all that Spurrier did. I also think Zook (being an amazing recruiter) left some pretty good players for Urban to work with
by knowshon loves legos on Nov 18, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida
Florida was always the sleeping giant in the SEC. Coach Bryant said as much numerous times. It was a large school with great resources, and a phenomenal recruiting base. I am not taking anything away from Spurrier who is the greatest coach the SEC has seen in the last 25 years. I just think that Meyer is a good enough coach that he could turn around any major program, though he definitely would not have had the success he had his previous three years without the recruits that Zook left.
Georgia was the same way during the period between Dooley and Richt. The state of Georgia on average produces the fourth most D-I football players, and the most per capita. There is no reason that Georgia should not be a major power.
by Kenny483 on Nov 18, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
All this psychoanalysis is missing a little something, I think – comments from actual Florida fans. Not that they would necessarily resolve the question, mind you, as there’s no consensus among us either. Some are still quite bitter about the perceived betrayal (in particular, some of our more prominent bloggers) – others, like myself, are pretty conflicted. He’ll always be one of us, but I really do wish he had chosen some other division for his return to college coaching.
I think the best approach to the game itself is to simply write off the result as the fortunes of war. Spurrier certainly doesn’t seem real upset – he understands as well as anyone that some days you’re the foot, and some days you’re the rump. (The man was with the Bucs in the early days of that franchise – he’s seen ugly losses before.)
by peachy rex on Nov 18, 2008 4:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good point
If memory serves, he has the distinction of being the only N.F.L. starting quarterback to go 0-14.
I don’t get how anyone could perceive it as a betrayal that the Evil Genius went to South Carolina, for two reasons.
First of all, Steve Spurrier, like Nick Saban, left the S.E.C. to coach in the N.F.L. It didn’t work out, so he came back to the college ranks with a different school in his own division. It isn’t anything like what Tommy Tuberville did by leaving Ole Miss to go straight to Auburn. It isn’t even comparable to Houston Nutt going to Oxford when he was run out of Fayetteville.
Secondly, who betrayed whom? The Florida job was open when Darth Visor decided to get back into college coaching. Jeremy Foley completely dissed Steve Superior by saying he could submit a resume like anyone else. The Head Ball Coach tartly, and rightly, replied: “Look in the trophy case.”
Steve Spurrier invented non-cheating championship Florida football. If Israel was looking for a new prime minister, do you think they’d make Moses fill out an application? Foley may have been right to go after Urban Meyer rather than let Coach Spurrier try to recreate the old magic in the way Johnny Majors failed to do at Pitt, John Robinson failed to do at U.S.C., and Bill Walsh failed to do at Stanford, but the betrayal ran from Gainesville to its favorite son, not the other way around.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 18, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I’ve never considered it a betrayal myself – like I said, I do wish he had gone somewhere else, but he’s still Gator Optimus Maximus to me. (Pushing 120 teams in D-I, and he had to come back to the SEC East, where he has a chance to boggle up our season every single year? He could have been a King in the Big East – a King!) Really, I think each side screwed the other a little; Spurrier waited until the last possible moment to jump to the pros after the 2001 season, and we got stuck with … well, you know who. And Foley (and Machen) did tell him to get in line when he came back three years later and expected to be welcomed home without question. (Some bruised egos and hurt feelings involved on both sides? Does sound like it.)
But I figure if Saban can be roundly reviled in Baton Rouge, then a few black looks at Spurrier in Gainesville should be pretty unremarkable – I haven’t lived there since I was a tiny tot, but my impression is that the venom is pretty muted, and when Spurrier finally hits the golf course for good, all but the very bitterest diehards will be reconciled. (It definitely helps that, while USC pays the bills, Spurrier is still clearly a Gator under the skin; though I imagine it vexes Carolina fans.) I can’t see Tigers fans ever reconciling with Saban – unless ‘reconciling’ is a new euphemism for ‘dragging his bead-covered, chain-wrapped corpse through the streets at Mardi Gras.’ (There was a nice piece on ESPN.com the other day about the mixed feelings of Spurrier’s favourite restaurateur from his Gator days – it reflects my own feelings pretty well.)
by peachy rex on Nov 18, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By "you know who" . . .
. . . do you mean the guy who recruited your 2006 national championship team?
Sooner or later, y’all are going to have to cut Ron Zook some slack. Had he been Steve Spurrier’s predecessor rather than his successor, he would have been recognized as, at worst, par for the course for Florida football history, and arguably better than the average. For a school whose tradition dates back to 1990, y’all got mighty impressed with yourselves in a great big hurry.
I get where you’re coming from on Spurrier, though.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Nov 18, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're undoubtedly right
that he was a victim of expectations. But more saliently, he was a victim of the ‘Peter Principle’; though, really, he wasn’t much as a coordinator, either. Spurrier demoted him from the defence to special teams (the Ole Ball Coach not having the same enthusiasm for punt blocking as Meyer) and by the end of his New Orleans stint his defence was simply awful. (I still remember thinking ‘we just hired a guy whose unit gave up 160 points in the last four games of the NFL season. Oh, dear.’)
There are others who can give you a more detailed breakdown of his flaws if you ask (start with any Gator blogger, and then prepare for a long disquisition – probably on file, in fact, for requests just like that.) But I will say this; the man’s some kind of PR genius. (Though it does make sense that fans of other schools have fonder memories of him than we do, right?) Oh, and because I’m the kind of mellow, compassionate Florida fan most people don’t believe exists (we do, we’re just very rare), I’ll freely grant that he can pull in five-star recruits with the best of them, and every couple of years he springs a massive upset. Um… and Florida didn’t crater while he was in charge, for which I’m grateful – a truly bad coach can wreck a program in three years, and Zook was merely mediocre. He probably doesn’t deserve all the vitriol he gets from UF fans, or all the slack he gets from most everyone else. Never has a man so ‘meh’ generated so much passion.
by peachy rex on Nov 19, 2008 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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