Week Eight BlogPoll Ballot Revised
In accordance with the new policy implemented after the BlogPoll became affiliated with CBS Sports, I cast my ballot, solicited and received feedback, and considered changes to my top 25.
After giving due consideration to the views expressed by fellow bloggers and Dawg Sports commenters, I made two changes, which I will endeavor to explain.
First of all, because it was odd that I had B.Y.U. ranked after the Cougars lost (which I freely admitted was the case), I dropped Brigham Young from my ballot and, at the suggestion of Tomahawk Nation’s FSUncensored, substituted Virginia Tech instead.
Secondly, I paid heed to insightful observations made by two respected voices in the blogosphere. Dr. Saturday started the wheels turning by writing this about Texas Tech:
[T]he Raiders were sixth and seventh, respectively, in the human polls (and eighth in the AP), ahead of Georgia, Ohio State, LSU and, depending on the poll, Florida and fellow Big 12 South unbeaten Oklahoma State, but only 11th according to the computers. What are the algorithms picking up that we aren't? . . .
[N]o team in the top ten has proven less almost two-thirds of the way through the season.
LD, on the other hand, was much more pointed in his criticism of the Red Raiders:
Which team is better?
Team A:
7-0
2 wins vs. 1-AA/FBS opponents
45.9 points per game on offense (5th)
557 yards per game on offense (2nd)
21.1 points allowed per game on defense (43rd)
24.8 scoring margin
126th toughest schedule according to Colley Rankings
116th toughest schedule according to GBE
Against toughest opponent: home vs. 4-3 team, in overtime, by 6 points
Team B:
7-0
1 win vs. 1-AA/FBS opponent
56.6 points per game on offense (1st)
624 yards per game on offense (1st)
27.1 points allowed per game on defense (80th)
29.5 scoring margin
129th toughest schedule according to Colley Rankings.
120th toughest schedule according to GBE
Against toughest opponent: home vs. 4-3 team, by 35 points
Both teams have played against atrocious schedules. One has played slightly worse opponents, but the other has played 2 lower division opponents. Neither has played a ranked opponent.
One has a higher powered offense, while the other has a slightly better defense. Both teams have one close win (6 points), but all of their other games were blowouts. . . .
What is it about Texas Tech (Team A) that is that much more impressive than Tulsa (Team B)?
As I was unable to answer adequately LD’s perfectly valid question, I dropped the Red Raiders a few spots on my ballot. I probably ought to have dropped them more, but this discrepancy will begin taking care of itself soon enough: Texas Tech’s next four games are at Kansas, against Texas, against Oklahoma State, and at Oklahoma.
Here, then, is my revised ballot:
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| Rank | Team | Delta |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Texas | 1 |
| 2 | Alabama | 1 |
| 3 | Penn State | 1 |
| 4 | Oklahoma State | 1 |
| 5 | Southern Cal | 2 |
| 6 | Oklahoma | 2 |
| 7 | Ohio State | 5 |
| 8 | Georgia | 7 |
| 9 | Florida | 2 |
| 10 | Utah | 12 |
| 11 | Pittsburgh | 5 |
| 12 | TCU | 12 |
| 13 | Texas Tech | 7 |
| 14 | Georgia Tech | 12 |
| 15 | Boston College | 11 |
| 16 | South Florida | 1 |
| 17 | LSU | 9 |
| 18 | Boise State | 13 |
| 19 | Ball State | 2 |
| 20 | Minnesota | 5 |
| 21 | Florida State | 5 |
| 22 | Northwestern | 4 |
| 23 | Cincinnati | 3 |
| 24 | Tulsa | 2 |
| 25 | Virginia Tech | 12 |
As always, your feedback is appreciated.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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Great job!
With these revisions, I can honestly say that this one of the best polls I have seen. I think you nailed it. Sure, there are some teams that we all know won’t stay where they are… but for where it all stands right now, this is spot on.
PS – I’m glad UNC is nowhere to be seen.
by Quiet Hour Backflips on Oct 22, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple ways to shake out the Tech > Tulsa thing...
common opponents. Both teams have played Southern Methodist. SMU was winning in the 4th quarter against Tulsa and tied with 8 minutes left. Texas Tech was leading less than 3 minutes into the game… and allowed its only points against SMU with just over 3 minutes remaining in the game. Admittedly, Tech got them at home, Tulsa got them on the road.
I don’t know whether Nebraska is a better 4-3 team than Rice, but I’m sure many voters think so. Nebraska has only lost to BCS teams, Rice lost to Tulsa. Beating winless North Texas doesn’t make Rice any better. Nebraska beat 6-2 Western Michigan, 5-2 San Jose State, etc. Rice has not defeated a team with a winning record, yet. Again, I don’t know that Rice is definitively better or worse than Nebraska, but don’t fault anyone for concluding the latter is a better team than the former.
I think 13 is a fine spot for the Red Raiders right now.
But now to the head-to-head…
Tulsa beat:
2-6 UAB on the road
Winless North Texas on the road
4-4 New Mexico at home
6-1 Central Arkansas at home
4-3 Rice at home
1-7 SMU on the road
3-4 UTEP at home
Tech beat:
3-4 Eastern Washington at home
4-3 Nevada on the road
1-7 SMU at home
4-3 Mass at home
4-3 K. State on the road
4-3 Nebraska at home
2-5 A&M on the road
I know you HATE FCS teams and victory over them, so I’ll simply ignore all three of those games unless you want to talk about them (perhaps because Central Arkansas appears to be the best of the FCS teams of this bunch, which would tip towards Tulsa’s favor?).
Couple observations:
Tulas has yet to beat a BCS school. I don’t know that BCS schools are inherently better than non-BCS schools, but conventional wisdom says those teams are generally better funded and more talented. Texas Tech has played a soft BCS school (A&M, who we handled on the road) and two winning BCS schools, who we beat at home and on the road respectively.
Tulsa has not beaten a winning team on the road. Tech has beaten two.
Tulsa has beaten one non-FCS winning team. Tech has beaten three.
Combined record of non-FCS opponents that Tulsa has defeated, something like: 14-31
Combined Record of non-FCS opponents that Texas Tech has defeated, soemthing like: 15-21
None of which is to say Tech justifies its position any more than Tulsa justifies its position, or that Tulsa sucks, or that Tech rules, or any such claims. Texas Tech hasn’t done a lot. Tulsa hasn’t done a lot. But LD asks the question:
What is it about Texas Tech (Team A) that is that much more impressive than Tulsa (Team B)?
And I feel that is answered above, minus the “that much” part. I think there’s sufficient explanation in looking at the two teams against each other holistically (as opposed to merely looking at their offensive statistics and best home victories, obviously) that would justify placing Tech above Tulsa. Does that justify a 20 versus an 8 ranking? I don’t know, I actually doubt it, but it should at least explain why one school should be ranked higer than the other.
by Skin Patrol on Oct 22, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well done!
Yeah, I couldn’t have articulated it that well, obviously, but, intuitively, I sensed that something along those lines was the case; schedule strength tells us a lot, but it only tells us as much as any average can, which is why I tend to emphasize a team’s “quality wins” . . . and why, even though LD’s argument convinced me to drop the Red Raiders, it didn’t persuade me to submarine Texas Tech altogether by putting Mike Leach’s band of pirates down in the twenties with Tulsa.
As I say, this will all sort itself out soon enough. The sledding gets much tougher from here, and, a couple of weeks from now, we’ll have a much clearer picture of how good the Raiders are . . . just as, a couple of weeks from now, we’ll have a much clearer picture of how good the Bulldogs are.
Thanks for taking the time to respond in such a thorough and reasonable fashion.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on Oct 22, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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