Week Eight S.E.C. Power Poll Ballot Submitted

I have posted my BlogPoll ballot, about which the discussion has begun and your contributions are welcome, but, while that conversation is ongoing, I will be moving from the macro to the micro by presenting my ranking of the twelve teams in the Southeastern Conference for this week’s S.E.C. Power Poll. Here goes:
1. Alabama: Duh! Yes, the Crimson Tide were fortunate to win each of their last two outings, but I strongly disagree with Poseur’s position "that good teams don’t win close games, they win by blowout." As I have pointed out before, such prolific point producers as Nebraska in 1983, Oklahoma in 1987 and 2003, Florida in 1995, and Southern California in 2005 all came up short in the end, while teams that knew how to win nailbiters (e.g., Georgia in 1980, Florida in 2006, Louisiana State in 2007) closed the deal. As long as ‘Bama continues to roll, the Red Elephants will remain on top on my S.E.C. Power Poll ballot.
2. Florida: Because this is a power poll ballot, I am varying the order of my BlogPoll ballot somewhat. While I believe the Bulldogs have a better overall resume than the Gators, the reality is that the Saurians appear to have overcome their early season sluggishness. Urban Meyer’s team put together what can only be described as a complete game against L.S.U., which is more than may be said of the ‘Dawgs in any of their non-patsy outings.
3. Louisiana State: Likewise, although the Bayou Bengals appeared exceedingly vulnerable in Gainesville and have inflated their resume by beating weak teams, the Fighting Tigers’ performance in Columbia was impressive, particularly in the aftermath of L.S.U.’s loss on the road. Les Miles’s squad overcame a deficit in a night game on the road, the play of the defense was much improved, and the two-quarterback rotation worked flawlessly. Louisiana State, like Florida, appears to be hitting its stride. Oh, swell.

It turns out that the guy can coach, which is bad for me both as a Bulldog fan and as a smart-aleck blogger who benefits from being able to turn cheap shots into running jokes. Thanks a lot, Les.
4. Georgia: The ‘Dawgs have been dominant everywhere except on the scoreboard in their last two games. The offensive line is coming together under extreme duress, Mohamed Massaquoi and A.J. Green represent fine dual threats at receiver, and Knowshon Rockwell Moreno continues to be the player we believed him to be. The Red and Black routinely show flashes of brilliance, but injuries and execution continue to hamper the Classic City Canines, who face two of their three toughest tests of the regular season on the next couple of Saturdays. This ranking is wrong; we’ll know two weeks hence in which direction I erred.
5. Vanderbilt: The Commodores continue to occupy this spot because, and only because, they have a better record than South Carolina and they beat the Gamecocks head to head. The bloom, however, is off of the Vandy rose. The ‘Dores will get that elusive sixth win, and maybe even a seventh one somewhere, but we are at the point in the season at which the teams get tougher and the Commies’ depth issues become more pronounced. It’s mostly downhill from here.
6. South Carolina: I suspect it won’t be long before the Palmetto State Poultry overtake the Music City Sailors. The ‘Cocks played Georgia and L.S.U. within a touchdown due to the East Coast U.S.C.’s dominant defense and the Evil Genius’s offense at last is beginning to emerge. As long as Stephen Garcia is under center, by the way, they ought to call it the cocky ‘n’ fire, because he sure started trash talking in a hurry. The off-field troublemaker was so obnoxious in his first substantial on-field performance that even the officials wanted to lay him out, which means Garcia is now truly Steve Taneyhill for the new millennium, as he has replaced his long-haired Gamecock predecessor as the S.E.C. player I would most like to see prone on the 40 with his patella rolling to a stop at the 45.
7. Kentucky: Uh . . . I guess?

8. Mississippi: O.K., seriously, that can’t be right, can it? Yeah, actually, I guess it is. Well, I’ll be darned!
9. Arkansas: Wow, this is really starting to get embarrassing, isn’t it? The Hogs certainly appear to be improving, though, which bodes well for the Razorbacks’ future under the second, third, and fourth years of the Bobby Petrino regime. Yes, I chuckled a little when I typed that last part.
10. Auburn: The Plainsmen must be getting better, because I have no distinct memory of Tommy Tuberville’s Tigers sucking this past weekend. Oh, wait, they didn’t play, did they? Still, that’s progress, of a sort. . . .
11. Tennessee: The Volunteers led by three points at the half. At home. Against Mississippi State. And the Western Division Bulldogs held the overall advantage in time of possession. The Vols are bad, but they remained outside the cellar because fellow SB Nation blogger Joel, a U.T. fan, sent me this link.

12. Mississippi State: Is there even an argument that this isn’t the worst team in the S.E.C.? Well, yes, there is, as a matter of fact. It’s possible that the Magnolia State Mutts aren’t "bad," per se, they’re just postmodern deconstructionists who reject "offense" as a social convention imposed by the patriarchy. Yeah, that’s got to be it. They’re left-wing academics with an aggressive agenda of social reform. In Starkville, Miss. With cowbells. Is it possible to ring a cowbell within "scare quotes"?
That, my friends, is how the Southeastern Conference stacks up right about now. I’m just as amazed as you, really.
Go ‘Dawgs!
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One quibble, if I may
Though it may be more definitional than anything. The “good teams win by blowouts” is a misleading argument to me, though I think there is a grain of truth there.
Good teams are balanced, and able to win if either their offensive or defensive unit is not playing up to form, but capable of winning by a blowout on any given Saturday when all cylinders are firing. If each side plays up to form for an entire season, you’re looking at a “historically great” team (re: 1995 Nebraska). Alabama has not fired on all cylinders often this season, but I am certainly of the opinion that they are a good football team.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on
Oct 20, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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As a Tiger fan...
….had to laugh at the Miles comments. Funny stuff. I just hope somehow we can slow down A. J. Green. He scares me.
by Totally Spoil on
Oct 21, 2008 7:57 AM EDT
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Mr. King...
Not a criticism, but just wondering why your blog poll ballot doesn’t reflect the same SEC rankings as your SEC power rankings.
Example:
The Dawgs are fourth in your SEC power poll but they are the 2nd highest ranked SEC team in your blog poll.
My thought is that the SEC power poll is more of a subjective how good we think a team is regardless of the facts, where as the blog poll is more of an objective take on who have you beaten and who have you lost to. Even after applying that logic, or after reversing that logic, I can’t figure out the discrepancies in the two polls. For instance I think Alabama deserves to be ranked 1 or 2 in the blog poll because of their on the field success thus far, however, I do not think for one second they would beat Florida on a neutral field, nor do I think they would be favored. That would lead me to put Florida ahead of Bama in the power rankings.
Please shed some light on this subject!!
by LSU Jonno on
Oct 21, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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I think Kyle already explained that above
See #2 – Florida:
“Because this is a power poll ballot, I am varying the order of my BlogPoll ballot somewhat. While I believe the Bulldogs have a better overall resume than the Gators, the reality is that the Saurians appear to have overcome their early season sluggishness. Urban Meyer’s team put together what can only be described as a complete game against L.S.U., which is more than may be said of the ‘Dawgs in any of their non-patsy outings”
I think Bama would stand a 50/50 chance of beating us (Florida) anywhere – home, away or neutral. I also think that UGA could do the same.
by skigator93 on
Oct 21, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
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LSU Jonno, skigator93 is right
I used resume ranking for my BlogPoll ballot and power polling for the S.E.C. Power Poll.
I see your point regarding Alabama and Florida; if the two teams faced one another, the venue would have a lot to do with which team I picked to win, and, depending upon which teams showed up, I would not be surprised to see a close contest or to see either team trounce the other.
For now, ‘Bama gets the nod because, even though both teams have been less than dominant in several of their games, the Tide’s win over Georgia in a night game on the road seems marginally more impressive than the Gators’ win over L.S.U. in a night game at home. It’s a close call, though, and reasonable fans may disagree. For me, at the end of the day, an S.E.C. team that’s undefeated in late October deserves mountains of credit for the achievement.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Oct 21, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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AH....
I actually hadn’t read the Florida explanation before I posted that…
Next question…
I assume you’ll be picking UGA to beat LSU this week, so why did you rank us ahead of UGA in the powerpoll?
by LSU Jonno on
Oct 21, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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After getting skunked by the Gators . . .
. . . and getting down against the Gamecocks, it would have been very easy for an L.S.U. squad that really hadn’t proven much in the early going to have folded its tents, but the Bayou Bengals were impressive in all phases in the second half in Columbia. I don’t know that the ’Dawgs have played as impressive a half of football against a legitimate opponent as the Fighting Tigers did on Saturday night. That earned them the bump.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Oct 21, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
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Jeez, you guys sure are hard on Garcia...
He didn’t do any trash talking. He just tried to get the crowd riled up a couple of times. Same thing any QB would do in the middle of a big home game against the defending national champion, and certainly no worse than some of the antics the LSU players pull each time they make anything resembling a big play. It sure chaffs you guys to no end when a player who’s not part of an elite team, you know, acts like they want to go out and win a big game, doesn’t it?
Go Cocks!
by Gamecock Man on
Oct 21, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
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With all due respect, Gamecock Man . . .
. . . no sale.
I know what firing up the crowd looks like—-I’ve seen David Pollack play in person, after all—-but that wasn’t it.
Garcia was pulling the same weak bush-league crap Taneyhill pulled at the 50 yard line in Sanford Stadium in 1993, when he danced his little jig after South Carolina had scored its first touchdown against Georgia in four years.
Reggie Jackson used to say, “It ain’t bragging if you can do it.” The flipside of that is this: “It’s showboating if you can’t.”
Garcia is a talented kid who may develop into something special; given the constant embarrassment he’s been to the program, he’d darned sure better. The Gamecocks very clearly are a team on the upswing and their defense has been solid consistently. South Carolina is a good football team, but Garcia’s a punk and he acted it Saturday night.
Premature celebration deserves to be smacked down hard. I’m not overly critical of the Carolina program overall, but this kid deserves every bit of bad press he gets. If he wants to act like someone who wants to go out and win a big game, he needs to watch the other quarterbacks who have actually won some big games and emulate them. When’s the last time you saw Tim Tebow or Matthew Stafford pop off like that?
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Oct 21, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
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I can't speak for Stafford...
But I’ve seen Saint Tebow act much worse; see the Gators-LSU game last year. And I’m willing to bet Stafford has acted a fool before. I know I remember seeing Knowshon prancing around during the Auburn game last year. Hell, your whole team danced around in the endzone during the Florida game at your coach’s behest. Whether or not it was a good motivation ploy on Richt’s part, it wasn’t exactly a move designed to impress the Good Sportsmanship Committee. Does that make all of your players punks?
Garcia may very well be a punk for some of his off-field actions, but I really don’t think his on-field antics are anywhere near Taneyhill level, at least not yet. Maybe they will be at some point. Regardless, I still think the thing that tees you off about Garcia is the possibility that he may actually be a lot better than the typical Carolina QB and thus able to help us do some big things.
By the way, didn’t we win that game in Sanford that you’re referring to? If victories over Georgia and 33-7 finals over Clemson are what Garcia is going to bring us, he can act as much like Steve Taneyhill as he wants, as far as I’m concerned. I’m sure you’ll agree, considering the average Georgia fan is willing to countenance unsportsmanlike conduct as long at it propels the Dawgs to a victory over Florida.
Go Cocks!
by Gamecock Man on
Oct 22, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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You give me way too little credit . . .
. . . if you think (a) I’m afraid of Stephen Garcia or (b) I only criticize trash-talking when it comes from an opposing player who’s good.
By the way, since you noticed that South Carolina beat Georgia in 1993, did you happen to notice that the Gamecocks lost to L.S.U. last weekend?
Leaving aside the obvious difference between Knowshon Rockwell Moreno dancing on the sidelines during a T.V. time out while the P.A. system was playing music for the express purpose of getting the home crowd fired up and Stephen Garcia giving the business to opposing players on the field during the brief interval between plays, I will grant your premise once and only once.
The end zone celebration in Jacksonville gets so much press partly because it was a unique event. Just one game earlier, Mark Richt angrily interrupted a spontaneous player celebration at midfield in Nashville. Coach Richt responded to his players’ postgame antics by running out onto the field, yelling at guys to stop, and physically shoving players off of the Vanderbilt logo. He then apologized to Bobby Johnson during the postgame handshake and apologized to the Vanderbilt fan base during a televised postgame interview.
Later that same season, after learning more about the lyrics to Soulja Boy’s “Crank Dat,” Coach Richt quietly ended the practice of playing the music (the words had never been played) in Sanford Stadium, even though that was the anthem that led to the energy-enhancing dancing to which you refer. The end zone celebration against Florida was a one-time event that got out of hand from Coach Richt’s original intention; an indicator of lawlessness and generally unsportsmanlike behavior it wasn’t.
Still, I will grant your basic point as a one-shot deal, but understand that what goes around comes around. Steve Taneyhill was a loose cannon; after that 1993 game in which he behaved so childishly, he proceeded to go out, celebrate, and get picked up on an underage possession charge, if memory serves. Given Garcia’s track record, you’d better hope he continues to talk smack in losses; you’ll be reading about him on the Sunday morning police blotter if he, like Taneyhill, ever leads South Carolina to a meaningful win. Until he leads South Carolina to that meaningful win, though, he’s nothing more than Taneyhill without the results. I think “punk” is a pretty good word for that.
So, yeah, Stephen Garcia can let his mouth write all the checks he wants and see if his butt can cash them. Just don’t be surprised if he finds himself writhing in pain on the Sanford Stadium grass next autumn and finds his agony greeted with cheers and taunts from those of us in the crowd. That obnoxious young man is sowing, and the day is coming when he will have to reap.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Oct 22, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
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Fair enough...
But I didn’t really mean that I think you’re afraid of Stephen Garcia. I just think there’s a sense of entitlement among a lot the fans of elite SEC programs that makes them think that anytime someone from a school like South Carolina gets an attitude, it’s cockiness or being a punk, while if someone from Georgia, Florida, Bama, etc., does it, it’s cool because they deserve to act however they want to act. The language you’re using—saying that Garcia is going to reap what he sows—attests to what I’m saying, as you probably just mean that one day someone is going to show Garcia that he’s nothing more than the South Carolina QB.
You’re also missing something I said in the first comment. Garcia was probably just responding to the kind of trash that talks LSU after just about every play. But I’m sure that’s cool; they’re LSU and they’ve earned the right to act like thugs after winning the national championship, right?
As far as Garcia’s off-field behavior, you can number me one of the USC fans that wouldn’t have had a problem with Spurrier letting Garcia go back when he was cited for the third time. I’m glad he’s with us now, but at the time I thought he’d never pan out for us. I was especially shocked when he keyed a profs. car, which, admittedly, is the epitome of punk behavior.
At this point, though, he’s saying he’s learned his lesson, so I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt unless he screws up again. And let’s not forget that two of his violations were just simple underage drinking citations. You, I, and probably 75% of of the underage kids on the USC and Georgia football teams have done the same thing.
Go Cocks!
by Gamecock Man on
Oct 22, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
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I see where you're coming from, Gamecock Man . . .
. . . and I think we’re approaching, if not consensus, at least the point at which the distinctions between our respective positions largely are semantic differences.
Please understand that I do not mean to say Stephen Garcia needs to be put in his place because “he’s nothing more than the South Carolina QB.” I believe that interpretation comes from the same place as many Georgia fans’ wholly unfounded fear that Mark Richt one day will leave Athens to accept a coaching position someplace else; namely, the residual underconfidence of a fan base that has experienced a few too many disappointments properly to appreciate how far their program has come.
Even when the Gamecocks were awful in the won-lost column in the late 1990s, their Charlie Strong-coordinated defenses were solid. Obviously, South Carolina fields a top-notch defense today . . . a fact that does not have to be pointed out to Georgia fans, who have become accustomed to close, hard-fought, low-scoring defensive struggles between the Classic City Canines and the Palmetto State Poultry. Jasper Brinkley isn’t a lesser player in my eyes just because he plays in Columbia, S.C.; he’s a top-notch player who happens to play for South Carolina.
You may be right that Garcia has learned his lesson and will be a model citizen for the rest of his college career. He may also wind up winning some significant games for the Gamecocks. Until he does, though, I think he should mind his manners a bit . . . not because his team hasn’t won anything, but because he hasn’t.
In that sense, yes, I suppose I do believe that accomplishing something on a football field entitles you to speak your mind more freely than someone who doesn’t have the achievements to go with the outspokenness. I never liked the way Steve Spurrier sounded off, but there’s no question that he earned the right to do so. I am glad Mark Richt doesn’t talk that way, and that Herschel Walker always acted like he had been there before, but I can’t deny that I enjoy hearing Suzanne Yoculan needle Sarah Patterson.
I don’t know what, if anything, the L.S.U. players said to Stephen Garcia, although I will grant that it is possible the Bayou Bengals said something. My recommendation to young Garcia would be to do his job and keep his mouth shut until he can offer up the ultimate retort: “Scoreboard.” Keeping quiet probably is the best course, in any case, but there is a proper order to these things and history—-personal, more so than programmatic—-cannot be ignored.
That, ultimately, was my problem with Steve Taneyhill (who did his midfield celebration while the outcome of a very close game remained in doubt), but it was not because he played for South Carolina. I thought Erik Ainge’s decision to do the Gator chomp in a game in which Tennessee ultimately lost to Florida was a bad call, too, but I certainly don’t look down upon the Volunteers as a team or Ainge as a player.
In short, thuggery is a bad call, no matter who you are, and it’s best to call attention to yourself through performance rather than antics, either on or off the field. Showing off ought to be reserved for those who have done something substantive, but it is not the province only of programs with storied histories. My highest respect goes out to players like Peyton Manning, who proved it on the field but remained respectful and humble on and off the field. Garcia would do well to emulate the latter, at least until (and probably even after) he has matched Manning in the former, if he ever does.
I don’t really want the kid to get hurt, obviously. I just want him to act his age a little more. You’re right, though, that there are others (including some Bulldogs) who should do likewise. Keeping a current driver’s license and doing their drinking in the dorm would be a good start.
Go 'Dawgs!
by T Kyle King on
Oct 22, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
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Fair enough, Kyle...
Thanks for taking the time to give a reasoned response.
Go Cocks!
by Gamecock Man on
Oct 22, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
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Wow...I'm tired after reading that exchange!
The best example of the Gator Chomp taunt is when Sabastian Janikowski did the Gator chop after a successful field goal in 1997 to put FSU up 29-25. Florida then scored on a 3 play drive to win the game 32-29 against the previously #1 ranked Seminoles. It is said to be a curse to do the chomp early on against the Gators….
I generally have no problem with players having a little fun, but you do have to be able to back it up and players shouldn’t be poor sports. I have no problem with Knoshawn’s dancing, because he does plenty of dancing between the tackles to rip off big gains. Tebow was just having som fun with the LSU students after his cell phone # was published on an LSU website and he received thousands of voicemails and text messages. Neither Tebow’s nor Knoshawn’s antics are anything other than to fire up their own team and have fun. Neither is mean spirited nor likely to be arrested the night of the game!
UGA’s endzone dance last year didn’t even bother me that much. I know that Richt is a class act even if he did coach at FSU. Now THAT is a program whose antics can be questioned. They are famous for degrading a team’s midfield logo and even did so before one of their games against us which started a big pregame brawl resulting in some FSU backups and UF starters, including senior Tony George being ejected. That was bush league….it was before the game even started!
I didn’t see Garcia’s actions, but apparently it pissed off the referee enough to get his own chucks in! (not even sure if that was before or after the event in question, but it was pretty funny for us outsiders!)
by skigator93 on
Oct 22, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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