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Race in Sports: How Coaches Are Hired and Fired

Last week, MaconDawg got a discussion going by asking whether S.E.C. basketball was reverting to segregation. His thoughtful posting upon the subject was in response to a C.B.S. SportsLine article in which Gary Parrish offered the following observation:

I'll provide the facts. Make of them what you will.

The facts are the past three SEC coaching changes had similar characteristics. They each featured a minority getting fired (Rod Barnes at Ole Miss, Heath at Arkansas) or leaving amid pressure for an inferior job (Smith at Kentucky). Then a white athletic director (Pete Boone at Ole Miss, Frank Broyles at Arkansas, Mitch Barnhart at Kentucky) replaced the minority with a white coach (Andy Kennedy at Ole Miss, John Pelphrey at Arkansas, Billy Gillispie at Kentucky) and [sic.] southern roots (Kennedy is from Mississippi, Pelphrey is from Kentucky, Gillispie is from Texas).

Coincidence? I don't think so.


As usually is the case when a writer is choosing his facts to suit his point of view, certain pertinent details have been omitted from Parrish's recitation. He fails to mention, for instance, that Frank Broyles, who supposedly was motivated by racial animosity in firing Stan Heath, was the very same athletic director who hired Coach Heath in 2002. Nolan Richardson, whom Coach Broyles hired to lead the Razorbacks basketball team in 1985, is also black.

In addition, Parrish has overlooked the fact that, although Coach Heath's eventual successor came from a border state, John Pelphrey was not Coach Broyles's first choice. The job initially was offered to (and, briefly, accepted by) Dana Altman, who was born in Nebraska and received his associate's, bachelor's, and master's degrees from colleges in Nebraska, New Mexico, and Colorado, respectively. Coach Altman's coaching stops have been in Nebraska, Missouri, West Virginia, and Kansas.

While I have written critically of Frank Broyles, it is silly for Gary Parrish to claim that the Arkansas athletic director is part of a conspiracy to hire white Southern basketball coaches when three of his last four hires for that post have been black or Western.

Those, though, are fine details having little or no bearing on Parrish's claims regarding the coaching changes at Kentucky and Mississippi. With respect to his larger point, the world has turned a few times since the recruitment of black athletes at Southern universities was a controversial proposition. I find it difficult to believe that college presidents and athletic directors in this day and age would be foolish enough to flout widespread public opinion and applicable law by basing their hiring and firing decisions on personal prejudices of a racial nature.

In situations such as these, when a Pete Boone fires a Rod Barnes and hires an Andy Kennedy, eyebrows may be raised, but more evidence than Parrish offers must be gathered before accusations properly may be leveled at the Ole Miss athletic director who tried to kill off Colonel Rebel despite the absence of any public outcry for the mascot's removal. Even Parrish acknowledges that the current "trend" could be "by pure fluke."

Why am I willing to give the athletic directors Parrish pillories the benefit of the doubt? The answer to that question begins on September 4, 1932, when Vincent Joseph Dooley was born in Mobile, Ala. Coach Dooley was raised in the segregated South and he attended Auburn University in the 1950s, during a tumultuous period of racially-charged politics in Alabama. Coach Dooley was hired to take over the football program at the University of Georgia in December 1963, just two years after integration came to Athens.

On the list of guys you would expect to harbor the sorts of racial attitudes Parrish accuses Southeastern Conference athletic directors of continuing to hold, Vince Dooley would be right up there at the top, given the time and the place in which he was raised. Nevertheless, Coach Dooley integrated the Bulldog football team in 1971 and, as athletic director, he orchestrated the pregame ceremony to honor those first black players (Richard Appleby, Horace King, Chuck Kinnebrew, Clarence Pope, and Larry West) before the first Georgia home game in 2002.

Vince Dooley hired Tubby Smith, hired Dennis Felton, hired the football coach who made Kevin Ramsey his defensive coordinator, and made it known throughout Bulldog Nation that Damon Evans was his choice to succeed him as athletic director. Clearly, Coach Dooley was not attempting to do what Parrish has insinuated that his former colleagues are trying to accomplish, but that is not the point.

The point is that, in each of those examples, Coach Dooley hired the person whom he believed to be the best man for the job. In three of those four instances, he was right. In none of those cases was race a factor. In this respect, Coach Dooley appeared to be taking the approach advocated by Morgan Freeman:

Freeman . . . says the only way to get rid of racism is to "stop talking about it."

The actor says he believes the labels "black" and "white" are an obstacle to beating racism.

"I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man," Freeman says.


Coach Smith became a beloved figure in the Classic City during his brief tenure as Georgia's basketball coach as much because of his outgoing attitude as due to his won-lost record (which, in his first season, mirrored that compiled in the final season of the coach he replaced). Stegeman Coliseum came to be known as "The Tub" because Georgia's first black head coach embraced Bulldog Nation. He simply made race cease to matter; when Tubby's team was on the hardwood, the colors of consequence weren't white and black, they were red and black. Coach Smith became one of us and that was all there was to it.

Equality means being given the opportunity to be judged on one's individual merits, not (as a fellow Georgian memorably put it) by the color of one's skin, but by the content of one's character. Certainly, one can cite dubious hiring decisions in which qualified black candidates were passed over for jobs; Sylvester Croom at Alabama and Doug Williams at Kentucky spring to mind.

The firings by which Parrish is so affronted, though, were based upon the merits (or the lack thereof) of the coaches being let go. Kevin Ramsey was demoted because his defenses performed badly and there were reasons for the firings at issue here. It is quite a stretch to claim that the desire to make room for white Southerners motivated these three actions.

The downside of equality is the loss of the ability to blame all one's personal reversals on the antediluvian attitudes of others. Sometimes---most times---coaching changes result from records, not racism. If we truly want to live in a color-blind society (as I believe most of us do), we have to be prepared to accept such decisions at face value and not leap immediately to the conclusion that either cronyism or a quota accounts for every outcome in which a choice is presented between men of different ethnic origins.

I don't know whether either Mitch Barnhart or Pete Boone is a racist. I know, however, that the evidence before us provides no basis for assuming that either of them is. When we have no reason to doubt that men are being judged on their merits in particular instances, race-based grumbling, regardless of the skin color of those doing the grumbling or of those supposedly being victimized, does not serve the worthy goal of ensuring that the best man for the job gets the job, without regard to the continent on which his ancestors happened to have been living 400 years ago.

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In Kentucky's case,
...race my have been a factor, for sure.  A friend of mine who is a huge Kentucky fan told me that a major complaint about Tubby was that he heavily favored black players in recruiting and playing time.  I don't follow Kentucky basketball closely enough to know whether there was any sound basis for the complaint, but that's not the point.  I can't help but believe that, to the extent the complaint existed, it was related to the fact that the coach was black, at least to an extent.

I realize that hearsay information through one source is not a significant sample and may be meaningless.  Also, even if the complaint (founded or not) was widespread, it's not necessarily probative to the question of whether Barnhart himself is racist.

I appreciate your case for Vince and UGA, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the mean and median "racism-ness" of UGA's supporters was notably lower than those of Arkansas, Kentucky, and Ole Miss.  I may get in trouble for saying such a thing; I went to school with plenty of shockingly bigoted Georgians; I'm not asserting anything as "fact" (just wouldn't be surprised if true).

by NCT on May 1, 2007 8:25 AM EDT   0 recs

I'll buy that, to some extent
When Tubby Smith was hired away from Georgia, a family member of mine spoke to someone he knew in Kentucky, jokingly chiding him, "You stole our coach!"

The fellow replied, "I expect you can have him back in a couple of years." When told that we liked Coach Smith and were sorry to see him go, the Wildcat fan implied (without saying) that race was the reason he did not expect Tubby to last in Lexington.

That, of course, is an anecdote expressing the attitude of one Kentucky fan, so we cannot know how representative it is, but I never heard a Georgia fan say anything of the sort about Tubby Smith, Dennis Felton, or Damon Evans.

In the Kentucky case, though, I think the real issue was the fan base's rabid and unrealistic expectation level. Does anyone doubt that they'll run off Billy Gillispie in five or six years?

by T Kyle King on May 1, 2007 9:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
Unrealistic expectation is by far the greater factor in Kentucky's case.  I've said it before: Lexington often sounds like Tuscaloosa.  There is no Second Coming, folks.

by NCT on May 1, 2007 9:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
If Nick Saban was still the head coach of the Miami Dolphins, Tubby Smith would still be the head coach of the Kentucky Wildcats.

When, after whiffing badly multiple times, 'Bama ended up with the coach they wanted, U.K. fans were emboldened into believing that they could lure Billy Donovan from Gainesville.

As with the firing of Ty Willingham by Notre Dame when the Fighting Irish faithful thought they could land Urban Meyer, the cause of the ouster wasn't the race of the deposed coach; it was a mistaken belief about the coach they could get to replace him.

The color at issue here is green . . . as in the color of money and the hue of the grass on the other side of the fence.

by T Kyle King on May 1, 2007 12:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

this is a silly rationalization
And re-reading what you write, this is another silly formulation:

"Sometimes---most times---coaching changes result from records, not racism."  

Of course poor performance is usually the leading factor in a coach being asked to leave. Other factors also play a role, and racism would certainly be among these factors.

But the problem is that this is a stupid question to ask and answer.  The real mystery, if you can call it a mystery, is why bad white coaches aren't replaced with promising black coaches.  And the statistics clearly indicate that they aren't.  Anecdotal information would be interesting regarding how often bad white coaches ride the D1 carousel from school to school, always employed, while black coaches continue to be stiffed.

by 34hawk on May 1, 2007 2:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So now that you've talked about a few trees...
... how about taking a look at the forest?

I fail to see how anyone can credibly claim that racism doesn't play a role in the dearth of D1 football coaches.  Or do statistics no longer matter?

by 34hawk on May 1, 2007 9:02 AM EDT   0 recs

Name names
Frankly, no, statistics don't matter, because athletic directors aren't hiring and firing decimal places, they're hiring and firing coaches on an individual basis.

In 1997, a lot of moviegoers were upset that Leonardo DiCaprio didn't get nominated for an Oscar for "Titanic." Nominating him, though, would have meant displacing one of the other nominees from a field that included Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Robert Duvall, and Peter Fonda. You can't just say Leo was deserving; you have to show why he was more deserving that one of those other guys.

I cited two examples where the imputation of racism was reasonable: Sylvester Croom at Alabama and Doug Williams at Kentucky.

Cite me other instances. If the athletic directors at Arkansas, Kentucky, and Ole Miss made racially-motivated hires, please identify the specific victims. Let's not deal in statistical abstractions. Who should have gotten those jobs but didn't?

by T Kyle King on May 1, 2007 9:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BS on several levels
If you want to analyze the situation at a macro level, statistics are not only necessary, they are vital.  And data is not the plural of anecdote.  Your sudden innumeracy is surprising, and disappointing. But to respond to your non-sequiter....

The people in a position to have anecdotal knowledge of race based decision making have a rather large incentive to hide or obfuscate that information.  Not very many people are interested in painting themselves, or the institutions they are associated with, as racist.  

And those who are not intimately involved in the hiring process are not well positioned to comment on the particulars of any such decision.  So the standard of proof you request -- name names (and back it up, I assume) is retarded.

Second, the burden of proof that black coaches are not being excluded on the basis of their race, at this late date should be on those who keep hiring all the white guys and none of the minorities. Why?  Because we know for a fact that blacks have in the past been excluded from these positions based solely on their race.  It's too easy to perpetuate that system and rationalize away every hire as "different" and justified.

Now to the data:

Since 1982 only 21 of 414 head coaching hires (at non-traditional black schools) have been black.  For those keeping score, that's white guys 393, black guys 21. And out of the 200 non-black schools in D1 and 1AA, only 11 of the head coaches are black. I haven't checked that data.  It took 10 seconds of Googling to find it.  Feel free to correct or update the data.

There is no proper ratio of white/black coaches.  The best person should get the job, period. But I do know this: most of the players at the college and pro level are black and have been for many years.  A background as a player at an elite level has long been a prerequisite for serious consideration as a head coach.  So, all else equal, it should be the case that white coaches are rapidly disappearing.  

But apparently, all else is not equal, and white coaches continue to vastly outnumber black coaches.  Among  the reasons for the perpetuation of this phenomena is institutional racism.  Of course I could be wrong, and it could be something else.  I look forward to reading the novel theories as to what that could be.  

UGA seems to have done a very good job (or at least much better than average job) of considering and hiring minority coaches when they are the right person for the job.  Evans as DA. Diaz in Tennis.  Felton and Tubby in basketball. And the track coaches.  Not sure who've they considered in other sports.  Not sure why you aren't trumpeting UGA's progressive (and successful) hiring practices and contrasting them with the sorry hiring record of most of their contemporaries.

by 34hawk on May 1, 2007 2:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Forest, Trees, grass, stellar maps
Nobody has suggested that racism isn't still an issue.  Your attempt to argue this suggests that you are the one having a problem with perspective.

You simply can't make such charges without examining the actual hiring/firing evidence.
There's still not much evidence pointing to this latest round of SEC hoops firings as being racist.  I don't care what any Kentucky fans say - if Tubby had gone to a few more final fours and/or won another championship, he'd have just inked his 10 year/35 million dollar extension and they would all be as in love with Tubby and their program as ever.  Kyle's right - is is utterly nonsensical to suggest that Broyles was enlightened when he hired Heath but a biggot when he got rid of him.  While such a scenario isn't outside the realm of possibility, Broyles' own history suggests otherwise (also noted by Kyle).

Blacks are under-represented in D1 coaching.  So what?  That wasn't going to magically right itself over night; these things usually shift on generational time scales and we're not far removed from segregation when you consider things in that scope.  Further, the coaching race splits will probably frequently and significantly differ from population makeup.  Particularly when you start examining things regionally.  The sample sizes are so small that one or two firings/hirings can significantly impact the bottom line.  

by peacedog on May 1, 2007 1:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

asdf
People in this thread, including yourself, are minimizing the importance of racism in college hiring decisions. Rather than examine a legitimate problem, you criticize the methodology one person used in talking about the problem (and note that Kyle invites me to use the same methodology).  

Your flippant "so what?" is a large part of the problem.  So what? Qualified people are being discriminated against based solely on their race, that's what.  Not to mention that players and fans have to put up with the aftermath of "white affirmative action" hires like Ray Goff and Mike Shula.

by 34hawk on May 1, 2007 2:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmmm
Nobody has said that Racism is never a factor, or an issue, fwiw.  

Kyle says he doesn't think race played a roll in the recent round of SEC hoops hirings/firings.  Based on the available evidence, it looks like a reasonable position to me.  We don't really have any evidence suggesting it was racism, outside of something highly absurd like "it took place in the south!".  We have evidence suggesting it was not racism - like the fact that all three coaches were hired, and some of those AD's have hired other minority coaches.  

That race is still an issue - less of an issue than it used to be - doesn't necessarily mean it is in a given instance.  And playing the race card when evidence is pointing to the contrary just does the real issues injustice, signifcant injustice.  

Statistically speaking, you just can't look at the stats in a vacuum - to do so is foolish.  We can reasonably say that 24/414 hirings isn't enough - though we can also reasonably say we should be looking at all minorties and not just black people - but what the "right" ratio should be is open to debate, and thus saying "24/414 isn't enough" is suddenly a lot more complicated than before.  

Players don't always make good [anything to do with a sport besides actually playing it].  Indeed, they frequently aren't good at anything having to do with a sport beyond playing it.  Black, White, elvish, dwarvish. Doesn't matter.  There are any number of reasons for this, I am sure.  We'll call it the Joe Morgan club.  Background as a player "at an elite level" seems to include highschool.  Playing at the highschool level doesn't really make someone a "player" in these sense I am using it here.  I'm talking about collegiate and professional athelets, who frequnetly can play their sports but can't do anything else with them.  

Should coach racial ratios mimic player racial ratios?  Not necessarily.  Indeed, I would expect them to be closer to societal breakdowns.  That's an arguable point, but it's also an issue that cannot be ignored.  It's also why I can say that 24 seems like too few hirings.

I said that this type of change seems to be generational in scope.  Feel free to disagree, but I think there is truth to it.  We're only 3ish generations removed from significant amounts of the country being seggregated.  Things have gotten better, and they will continue to get better.  But change still takes time.  My "so what" might upset you, but you seem to be ignoring a significant number of factors here - my attitude on this subject is not flippant, I assure you.  That this change is taking time isn't simply a product of racism, but that's getting into a side discussion.

The problem with looking at the numbers is that the samplesizes aren't necessarily very big.  116 head coaching positions in D1 - sometimes that's a decent sample size but sometimes it isn't.  It's not 116 numbers produced at random, which is what Kyle was getting at I think.  Bad coaches freqeuntly get 3-4+ years, even in today's "BCS or bust!" environs.  That's why we've only had 16.5ish head coach hirings per year since 1982 - a remarkable number.  that's not a very high amount of turnover.    

16.5 new hires a year isn't really all that many, though 484 seems like a sizeable amount at a glance.  I'm happy if minorities are getting fair looks in those cases, statistics be damned.  Are things koshur across the board?  I doubt it.  Better than 1982?  Without question.  

Further, when you start looking at things regionally, the sample sizes become impossible to use.  One Black to White coaching change in the SEC is an 8.5%ish swing in terms of ratio.  A sizeable swing - imagine what two look like from a percentage standpoint.  With 12 positions, it's not necessarily representative of anything.  

As for secret racism - yeah, that could be the issue.  Do you really want to make an argument based on this (and sneer at the "theories" being offered to the contrary?).  Yes, people have definately been racist while hiding it before.  Do you know why this isn't a good argument to suggest that's widespread at this time?

I've gone on too long.  Race - still an issue.  Recent SEC basketball hirings - race doesn't appear to be an issue, though stupidity probably is.  

by peacedog on May 1, 2007 6:04 PM EDT   0 recs

sample size = population
It is usually the case, when studying complex social phenomena, that we can't measure and quantify the entire population.  In such cases one is forced to use statistical methods to estimate.

The "statistics" I refer to and cite above aren't a random sample -- they represent the entire population of D1 and 1AA college coaches.  We know, with certainty, what the actual numbers are in the entire population.  

So we don't need to consult our probability tables to see what is and isn't significant, we don't need to apply the latest methods and best practices of statistical methodology. All we have to do is count.  Quibbling over the significance of the numbers, statistical or otherwise, is literally a fools game.

by 34hawk on May 1, 2007 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well said, peacedog
I think we're very much on the same track here, peacedog. We both seem to agree that, if a qualified candidate isn't getting a fair opportunity to compete for a job based upon his race, that is both legally and morally wrong. At the same time, I believe we also agree that the mere fact that a white candidate is hired, without more, is not evidence of racism . . . and it does real harm to the perception of genuine cases of discrimination when sportswriters cry "Wolf!" with no hard evidence.

You also make a very good point that being good at one aspect of a sport doesn't necessarily make you good at any other aspect of the sport. Good players can make bad coaches and bad players can make good coaches. (In fact, I suspect that most good quarterbacks coaches spent more time holding a clipboard than taking snaps under center.)

I don't follow basketball closely enough to be able to state for certain that this applies in basketball, as well, but one reason elite players so seldom advance in the football coaching ranks is that the avenue of entry into college coaching is through a graduate assistantship. An elite player who enters the N.F.L. draft after his junior year departs without receiving his baccalaureate degree and, hence, will not end up as a graduate assistant . . . for the very good reason that he is playing professional football.

I don't know whether a graduate assistantship also is the avenue into college basketball coaching, but, if it is, that might explain why so few elite players become coaches. When players go to the N.B.A. after their junior, sophomore, or freshman years, or when they go straight from high school, they foreclose that option.

All of which is to say, race still is an issue in this country to a greater degree than it ought to be, but human motivations are mixed and the variables in play are myriad. Knee-jerk accusations of racism based solely upon surface appearances are unjustified and they undercut the honest efforts of concerned citizens to address real problems in the instances in which they actually occur.

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, peacedog. They were greatly appreciated.

by T Kyle King on May 1, 2007 8:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would be more convinced ...
... of your good intentions if you hadn't already ruled that much of the "hard evidence"  -- the incredibly compelling data -- were inadmissable.

And where are the "honest efforts of concerned citizens to address real problems" anywhere apparent here? Do you disagree that there a real problem is very likely when only 5% of head coaching hires are minorities?  If so, given that you've chosen to address the subject, where

All I see is people attacking the messenger, quibbling over methodology, and asking "so what"?

Charges of racism are not simple knee jerk reactions based on surface appearance.  They are grounded in a long history of legally and socially accepted racial discrimination.  Certainly one can  overplay the "race card".  One can also, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, refuse to acknowledge and confront institutional racism.  And that, in my opinion, is what is happening here.

by 34hawk on May 2, 2007 11:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that calling it institutional racism...
and only looking at the numbers being hired is a fairly superficial means of analysis in addressing this question.  I think the better measure is to look more at a qualitative analysis of the candidates that are applying for the jobs (or are being recruited for the jobs).  Have they been coordinators?  How successful were their units?  How do they handle the administrative aspects of their jobs?  How do they close with recruits?  Whom are they beating to get those recruits?  What sorts of opportunities have they pursued w/r/t the public relations part of their job?

Quite frankly, has there been any black football or basketball coach who has lost his job in the last ten years where the public at large was completely blindsided by the termination?  The only one that I can think of that might be considered is Willingham, and he was fired for having a poorer record than did Jim Donnan at Georgia.  I think the only reason any one was really blindsided was because ND didn't have a history of canning coaches early in the contract.  Beyond that, Tony Samuel, Bobby Williams, and John Blake all had mediocre to bad records at their schools.  

Likewise, other than Sylvester Croom at Alabama (and he's not exactly making that look like a bad decision right now) and any job that Charlie Strong applies for, what hires have been made over the last ten years that would have been better served with a black candidate?  I remember Ray Sherman applying for the Georgia job after Donnan was fired.  Sherman may have wound up a good coach.  But is it hard to dispute taking the OC of the most successful college offense of the previous seven years over a position coach on a slightly above-average NFL team?

I thought Randy Shannon was a good candidate when the Miami job came open, with a solid professional resume.  Not surprisingly, he landed a good job.  I think that Strong will eventually land a good job too (I'm not sure which jobs he's interviewed for over the last few years, but it wouldn't surprise me if few of them are considered "good" jobs).  

In the end, I think Parrish's column is short-sighted and myopic.  He assumes his conclusion and only looks at those factors which support his conclusion.  My recommendation is to generally ignore him in the future.

by SSB Charley on May 2, 2007 4:04 PM EDT   0 recs

That's sort of what I was getting at . . .
. . . with my call to "name names."

Although sources within the athletic administration of a particular university will not divulge internal matters regarding their coaching searches, it's always pretty well known (or, at least, knowable) who was interviewed. The local press almost always covers coaching searches comprehensively, particularly for high-profile jobs like the basketball coaching positions at Arkansas and (especially) Kentucky.

I'm always interested in looking at which candidates expressed interest and which candidates got interviewed when evaluating the quality of a hire.

While Sylvester Croom has not produced good records at Mississippi State, he also inherited a lousy situation, as M.S.U. was hampered by N.C.A.A. sanctions, a poor location, little history of winning football, and a less than optimal local talent base. I think M.S.U. has to give Coach Croom at least five years to overcome the handicaps with which he was saddled.

Even if he turns out not to be a good college head coach, however, Sylvester Croom brought a more impressive resume to the table than Mike Shula. Coach Croom was more experienced and, while Coach Shula played for Ray Perkins, Coach Croom played for the Bear, which makes a difference in Alabama.

Given their respective resumes, it's hard to explain Mike Shula's hiring on any grounds other than race.

That's why I want to hear names, not numbers. We cannot simultaneously say that there is no "right" number of head coaches from each particular minority group but that the low percentage of head coaches from particular minority groups tells us what we need to know.

What other candidates expressed interest in the Kentucky job? How did their resumes compare to Billy Gillispie's? It is entirely possible that a better candidate was turned away for an illegitimate reason . . . but, so far, I have not been given that man's name.

Until I am told that man's name and his credentials, I'm with you, Charley. Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts.

by T Kyle King on May 2, 2007 5:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A great piece
I think you folks in the comments are way hard on UK, but I think cognitive dissonance is in play on both sides, so I won't take offense.

Two points -- we understand that we have a few antebellum types here in Kentucky.  We don't like it, but they are a fact of life.

The second is, I'm betting Georgia has their share as well.  Anecdotally indicting Kentucky's black sheep and copiously ignoring Georgia's is -- well, as I say, cognitive dissonance is a factor, and this is a Georgia blog.

I linked this post over at A Sea of Blue because I like what it says and it is extremely well-written.  Well done, Mr. King.

A Sea of Blue - Kentucky Sports For the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on May 3, 2007 11:18 AM EDT   0 recs

Thanks for the link, Tru
In fairness, I believe both NCT and I made it clear that we were citing specific individual examples that might not be representative of the whole.

In addition, I believe NCT indicated that Georgia had its share of such fans, as well, and I believe I made it clear that I thought a reason other than race explained Kentucky's recent coaching change. Indeed, the thrust of my posting was that charges of racism ought not to be made unless they can be backed up by evidence.

No one seriously doubts that racism exists in the world (and, as Patterson Hood says, it has existed in all times and places, even though it most often is portrayed with a Southern accent). I suspect that there is a segment of every fan base in every part of the country that would object to the hiring of a coach who belonged to an ethnic minority and I did not mean to single out Kentucky's fan base for special disdain.

The real question, of course, concerns the people who are doing the hiring and firing, not the rank and file fans. Whatever particular Georgia fans may think upon the subject of race, the Bulldogs have hired two black basketball coaches and a black athletic director without so much as a significant undercurrent of dissatisfaction on any overtly or covertly racial basis.

I cannot say whether the same is true of Kentucky, although I am interested in hearing your take on the motivations behind Tubby Smith's effective ouster and on the qualifications of the candidates (other than Billy Donovan) whose names were put forward as possible replacements.

In any case, Tru, I thank you for stopping by and I hope you will comment again upon this and other issues.

by T Kyle King on May 3, 2007 12:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You are more than welcome ...
and thanks for the excellent take on Parrish's article.

I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't stated the case about Kentucky's expectations - you did, and as you correctly point out, NCT did in fact note that archaic racial attitudes were not limited to those in Kentucky, although he somehow concluded that they were more prevalent there.  I can't say I agree, but then, who really knows?  Cognitive dissonance again, in my opinion.

To address the question about Smith's "effective ouster", I would like to point out that he wasn't ousted to begin with, effectively or otherwise.  He was under pressure from both the fans and to an increasing degree the administration for underperformance.  Not failure, mind you.  Nobody sane, serious person, even in Kentucky, can call his record here anything but successful, even in his last two years.

Smith would have certainly been given the opportunity to redeem himself, although I feel somewhat sure the UK Athletic Administration would have strongly suggested (read: insisted) upon changes in recruiting and staff.  Given the fact that virtually none of his staff are now with him at Minnesota, I can't imagine he would have objected strongly to those requests.

Regarding the pressure from the fans, we do unfortunately have a very loud and offensive minority who were pressing hard for his ouster.  Very few of those people could accurately be described as "racist", although a great many of them would likely be diagnosed with subclinical obsessive/compulsive disorder.  I personally profess not to be among them, but your mileage may vary on that assertion.

I think the national media coverage of the situation has left a rather inaccurate impression of the entire affair, but given "Glory Road" and suchlike, I think you can understand that we are used to that.  In any case, A Sea of Blue has done its best to set the record straight, but I fear that even though we have grown exponentially, we are still far behind the hundreds of thousands of daily hits at places like The Cats Pause or even Dynasty Defenders, the worst of the anti-Smith sites.

In sum, do we have racist fans?  Yes.  Was pressure from racist fans a factor in Smith leaving?  Emphatically no.  Smith was a classy man who understands racial realities as well as anyone in the nation.  His wife and family have reiterated that racism was never a factor in their leaving, although one must certainly view such statements with appropriate skepticism.  Still, I believe them, and I believe that despite national media representations to the contrary, Kentucky has made as much progress toward colorblindness as any school in the SEC.

Of course, all this is an opinion from an obvious partisan, so I will understand if you don't accept my argument uncritically. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on May 3, 2007 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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