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Six inches...and a teaspoon of hypocrisy...

Six inches.  That's how close Georgia came to the BCS national title game.  Bryant Hahnfeldt's kick in the closing moments of the Vanderbilt-Tennessee game went off the left upright and, apparently, so did Georgia's hope for the BCS title game.  Had it been six inches to the right, Georgia would have gone to the SEC Championship game and likely soundly beaten a gimpy LSU squad, setting themselves up for a showdown with Ohio State.

Six inches.

But that's not what happened, and life goes on.  For a consolation prize, Georgia gets a trip to the Crescent City, which is and has been the most overrated city in all the land.  (If you've never been, you should go, because you'll likely have the time of your life.  But, if you are strapped for cash, I've found a kit to replicate a New Orleans experience.  Ordinarily, this kit goes for $129.99, but as an exclusive for Dawgsports' readers, I'll give you a snapshot of what this kit entails: Just gather 100 gallons of urine, a metric ton of plastic green and purple beads, 25,000 of your closest red and black friends, twenty-five of which should be females that are stupid enough to believe that what happens in a crowded alley full of cameras stays in a crowded alley full of cameras, and mix into a lecherous back alley that might be 20 feet across.  Good times, I tell you.  Good times. [/crotchety old man diatribe])

Getting back to... whatever it is I was doing...

Oh, yes... I believe that a team should win its conference to be considered for the national title game, but I also believe that all the participating conferences should play on an equal playing field.  If half the conferences have a conference championship game, the other conferences should be required to adopt the same.  If not, then all conferences should be judged by the same criteria that the conferences without championship games are judged.  For example, two-loss Southern Cal shares the conference championship with Arizona State.  USC has the tie-breaker, of course, but Arizona State will go down in the annals of PAC-10 history as co-champs of the conference, no?  Yes.  They do.  Similarly, West Virginia holds the tie-breaker over UConn, but they share the Big East title.  USC and Cal shared the Pac Ten title last year.  Ohio State and Penn State shared the Big Ten title in 2005.  Iowa and Michigan shared the title in 2004, and there was a 4-way tie in the Big East in 2004.  Ohio State shared the title with Iowa (both at 8-0) in 2002, and went on to win the national title.  USC was co-champs again with Washington State that year.  

So, if a conference can have multiple champions, how can you fault Georgia for playing in a conference that believes having multiple champions is patently absurd?  If the SEC played under the Pac Ten's rules or the Big Ten's rules or the Big East's rules, Georgia would be in a three-way tie for the conference crown with Tennessee and LSU since all three teams finished the regular season conference play at 6-2.  Therefore, Georgia would technically be conference champions.  The one technicality that the talking heads kept bringing up was that Georgia "didn't even win their own division."  Of course, if we acknowledge co-champs, then you must also agree that Georgia was co-champs of the East (not that we're putting up a banner or anything... I don't believe in celebrating these things unless you win them outright) making that a moot point.  And, under a similar set of criteria that other teams in participating conferences are judged, Georgia would technically be considered a conference co-champ, even though the thought is dumb, dumb, dumb.

But, given all that.  I don't have a problem with Georgia being excluded from the BCS title game.  I wouldn't have them playing for the title, either.  But I would have them excluded for entirely different reasons... like, say, the merits of their season compared to those of LSU, Virginia Tech, and Oklahoma.  Saying they didn't win their own division or their conference is a straw man and a red herring all wrapped up conveniently in an irrelevant logical fallacy and served chilled with a side of hypocrisy from the World Wide Leader's panel of talking heads at worst, and judging teams using different criteria at best.

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Does the WorldWide Leader know that they suck out-loud for their obvious grandstanding in favor of certain teams over others based on nothing but their own biases?
Yes, they know they suck out-loud, and Lou Holth is jush jealouth that he couldn't even be co-champs in the divithion and Notre Dame is the greateth team ever..
11 votes
No, they are clueless about how badly they suck, and Mark May still thinks Pitt got screwed by Georgia in 1980..
19 votes

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You've got to be kidding me
QUOTE: "I believe that a team should win its conference to be considered for the national title game, but I also believe that all the participating conferences should play on an equal playing field.  If half the conferences have a conference championship game, the other conferences should be required to adopt the same."

First, there are a dozen different scenarios where a team doesn't win its conference and could still be considered a viable contender for the NC game.  Unfortunately for UGA, having two conference losses, including a blowout to the team that represented it's division in the SECCG, isn't one of those scenarios. Secondly, all the conferences (the BCS ones, at least) do have an even playing field.  They all have a group of respectable teams against which to make their statement that they belong in the NC game.  It's no one's fault but the SEC's that they decided to implement a 'championship game' that can't even match the two best teams in the conference.  And don't even THINK about trying to say, "well since we play one, everyone else should too!"  Bullshit.  Its a crappy way to crown a champion, so don't try to foist it upon the rest of the college football world.  In two of the conferences hosting CCGs, possibly the two best teams didn't even play each other: KU vs OU and UGA vs LSU.

QUOTE: "So, if a conference can have multiple champions, how can you fault Georgia for playing in a conference that believes having multiple champions is patently absurd?  If the SEC played under the Pac Ten's rules or the Big Ten's rules or the Big East's rules, Georgia would be in a three-way tie for the conference crown with Tennessee and LSU since all three teams finished the regular season conference play at 6-2.  Therefore, Georgia would technically be conference champions.  The one technicality that the talking heads kept bringing up was that Georgia "didn't even win their own division.""

If a conference plays a round-robin schedule, and two teams end up with the same record, yes, they are considered co-champions, and a tiebreakder decides who gets the automatic BCS bid.  However, conferences with CCGs do not believe in co-champions. That's why they implemented the CCG: to name one undisputed conference champion (well, that and a blatant grab for more $$).  Its no one's fault but the SEC's (and Big 12, and ACC's) that they can end up in situations like the one they're in, where their two best teams didn't play.  However, that's the way they chose to do it, so don't try and adopt the Pac-10's rules all of a sudden because it benefits you. The Pac-10 has their method for finding the conference champion, and the SEC has theirs. Don't like it? Fine.  Try this:

Drop Vandy and MSU (or whatever two schools you like), and use the weekend of the SECCG to play an additional conference game.  Viola.  Every team plays every other, and when LSU and UGA both end up at 10-2, we can simply say, "well, this one beat that one three weeks ago!"  End of story.

Don't want to do that? Fine, quit your whining about 'co-champions' and not getting a shot at LSU in the SECCG, and next time just win your division.

by sckego on Dec 4, 2007 10:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate your points
... but not the schoolyard tone.  There are plenty of places all over the place to piss and moan in this manner.  In fact, one of the things that makes this particular site special is that the discourse is usually a bit higher than practically all of the sites anywhere else.  Just do a simple Google search for forums, and Cello! You'll find what you seek.

by NCT on Dec 4, 2007 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apologies
I'm sorry if I came across as unnecessarily harsh or rude.  It was not my intention; it's just that reading things like "If half the conferences have a conference championship game, the other conferences should be required to adopt the same" rubbed me the wrong way, and I guess I tried to come back and get my point across too strongly. Hopefully you'll accept my apology and String Quartet! The conversation can move on.

by sckego on Dec 4, 2007 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All is forgiven and forgotten
Sorry about the viola crack; I so rarely get the opportunity to use smart-aleck orchestra humor.

by T Kyle King on Dec 4, 2007 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a serious problem...
with the internet.  I fling responses up without thinking.  Too often, they record for eternity fleeting sentiments created by a brief grumpy mood.

I'll work on that.

by NCT on Dec 5, 2007 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Viola"?
What do stringed instruments have to do with this?

The Realist simply pointed out that the playing field is not level because the various conferences choose their champions differently. Personally, I don't have a problem with this---I like regional distinctiveness and I don't mind that the B.C.S. leagues play under their own sets of rules (much as the American League has the designated hitter but the National League does not)---but it is a valid point.

I respect the perspective you bring to the table and I don't even necessarily disagree with it, but I can't help noticing that (for reasons passing my understanding) comments in the last couple or three days have adopted a coarseness of tone and language that is not warranted under the circumstances. I would be most appreciative if our disagreements could be kept on a high plane. Your cooperation, like your participation, is appreciated.

by T Kyle King on Dec 4, 2007 11:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My point?
Apparently, it did not come across as planned. I thought discrediting the argument the media used to subvert Georgia's chances of making the national title game was enough to pinpoint my target. Clearly, I was wrong. So, since you don't read the entirety of a post before you respond with high blood pressure and vitriol, let me spit it out in plain English.

sckego-

The media sucks. They use whatever criteria they deem appropriate for their purposes at any given moment in time without acknowledging precedent, and they unduly influence the outcome of polls by grandstanding for one team at the expense of other teams based on nothing but their own biases.

You can quote me on that. This is the "narrative," to steal the term that LD so beautifully coined.

By cutting out half of my quote, you destroyed the entire underlying meaning. I wasn't whining about Georgia not getting into the BCS championship game. My point was that the media in particular was using semantics and circumstantial criteria based on biases and not precedent to unofficially exclude Georgia from the discussion one week after saying Georgia was better than all the teams that jumped them.

Georgia finished the regular season at 10-2 (6-2). Oklahoma finished the regular season 10-2 (6-2). LSU finished 10-2 (6-2). USC was 9-2 (6-2). Virginia Tech finished 10-2 (7-1). What you note about all these teams is that they each have two losses. At this point, the voters and the computers placed Georgia ahead of all these teams. The voters were well aware that Georgia wouldn't "even" play for its conference championship. But, Georgia was ahead of all these teams. Georgia was the best two-loss team in the country, as voted by the pollsters.

Then, the Conference Championships happened (and USC's final game against UCLA). And, none of these teams lost. But, Georgia hopped behind three of them to become the fourth best two-loss team without even playing. I believe a root cause for this occurred Saturday night. Media types that were clamoring for a team last year that "didn't even win its conference" immediately took a 180 and said that fact automatically disqualifies Georgia and Kansas. They were judging Georgia (and Kansas) based on semantics and biases, and not the merits of their season.

I think this is wrong. That was the point. If you take out the b.s. that the Gameday crew was spitting forth about conference championships and division championships and whatever, then you can get down to the merits of the teams' seasons in question.

For the record, I don't care if the Pac Ten or the Big Ten or the Big East adopt a conference championship. Whatever you do is your business. I'm proud to root for a team in the SEC, and proud of our conference's tradition and championship game. Cheers.

by imarealist on Dec 5, 2007 8:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Conferences
Personally, I don't have a problem with the Pac 10 or Big East because every team plays each other; therefore, you can pick a conference champ based on the records.
The only conference I have a problem with is the Big Televen because they don't play everyone nor do they play at CCG. Thus, you have situations like last year (06) when tOSU didn't play Wisc. I think there was another situation involving tOSU or Mich and Iowa a few seasons ago.

by fotodog on Dec 5, 2007 7:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There was
In 2002, Ohio State and Iowa were co-champions because the Buckeyes and the Hawkeyes didn't play each other. Both were 8-0 in league play and O.S.U. went undefeated overall, upsetting Miami in the Fiesta Bowl.

Consequently, Ohio State was the undisputed national champion, but the Buckeyes shared their conference title with Iowa.

by T Kyle King on Dec 5, 2007 8:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks
 for keeping me straight

by fotodog on Dec 6, 2007 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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