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The West Coast Bias?

The discussion of the dreaded East Coast bias is ongoing and now Paragon SC has leapt into the fray.

As always, the Paragon offers a reasonable perspective, but one particular passage from his posting bears repeating:

Last year I was at the Swamp for the UF vs. Tenn. game. Of course I wore my USC gear, against the advice of those who we were with, and I heard the constant trash talking of people saying that the "Pac-10 wasn't a real conference". That's the mindset of a lot of people who don't follow the Pac-10. Of course the Pac-10 has really turned it on over the past few years but old habits die-hard.

Obviously, there are still fans of Southeastern Conference schools who continue to maintain that the Pacific-10 can't play defense, just as there are still fans of the West Coast league who continue to maintain that the S.E.C. can't play offense.

In fact, one of the Paragon's contributors seems to persist in perpetuating the latter stereotype, as USCLink asserted that he would root for Florida over Tennessee because "Urban Meyer is bringing his spread offense into the SEC, so he doesn't count as an SEC coach yet in my mind." This is the kind of cognitive dissonance that we in the South find infuriating.

When is an S.E.C. coach not an S.E.C. coach? Apparently, when someone who doesn't like the S.E.C. likes him.

To make matters worse, USCLink lists eight rules, one of which is divided into parts "a" and "b," but he misnumbers them, designating two rules as number 5, so it is hard to make head or tail of what he is trying to say.

Nevertheless, it appears that he thinks Georgia Tech's game against Notre Dame is "a wash" because of Rule 4 ("Root against Notre Dame") and Rule 6, misnumbered as the second Rule 5 ("Root against the SEC"). If that is the case, someone should mention to USCLink that the Yellow Jackets left the Southeastern Conference in the mid-1960s. Talk about your old habits dying hard.

The truth, of course, is that the quality of S.E.C. defenses makes S.E.C. offenses look worse than they really are and the quality of Pac-10 offenses makes Pac-10 defenses look worse than they really are. This is why, for instance, last bowl season featured Pac-10 teams putting up points on good defenses (Southern California's 38 points against Texas in the Rose Bowl) and S.E.C. teams shutting down good offenses (Alabama holding Texas Tech in check in the Cotton Bowl). Where S.E.C. teams broke down defensively, they also performed well offensively (Georgia scoring 35 points in defeat in the Sugar Bowl).

I remember when my opinion of the Pac-10 began to change for the better. For a while in the late '90s and the early 21st century, it seemed as though West Coast teams had a nasty habit of losing non-conference road games. At the time, the Pac-10 commissioner defended his league by saying, in essence, we'll do better when we get some of these teams in our back yard.

John Mackovic . . . helping the Pac-10's case as the head coach at Texas, hurting the Pac-10's case as the head coach at Arizona.

I thought that was wishful thinking and hyperbole. It wasn't. Oregon lost at Wisconsin in 2000 . . . but the Ducks defeated the Badgers at home in 2001. Oregon State lost at Fresno State in 2001 . . . but the Beavers beat the Bulldogs at home in 2002. Stanford lost at North Carolina in 1997 and at Notre Dame in 1998 and 2000 . . . but the Cardinal beat the Tar Heels at home in 1998 and defeated the Fighting Irish at the Farm in 1999 and 2001.

Along the way, the Pac-10 started winning on the road, as well. Cal beat Oklahoma in Berkeley in 1997 . . . then the Bears beat the Sooners in Norman in 1998. U.C.L.A. lost at Ohio State in 1999 but beat the Buckeyes in Westwood in 2001 . . . and the Bruins also beat Alabama, both at home and away, in 2000 and 2001. U.S.C. lost at Notre Dame in 2001 but beat the Golden Domers in the Coliseum in 2002 . . . and the Trojans also beat Auburn, both at home and away, in 2002 and 2003.

Those results speak to the Pac-10's quality as a conference. The presence of ill-informed fans in the Sunshine State doth not an East Coast bias make . . . not any more than the existence of Southern California fans who reflexively root against S.E.C. teams and segregate out such coaches as Al Borges and Urban Meyer because they're not "real" S.E.C. coaches makes all Pac-10 fans prejudiced against the South.

I tell my left-wing friends that I'll stop referring to C.B.S. News and The New York Times as "the liberal media" when they stop referring to a tribunal that has not overturned a single significant Warren Court decision as "the conservative Supreme Court." I'll make a similar offer to my left-coast friends: we won't give you reason to believe in an East Coast bias if you'll quit giving us reason to believe you have a West Coast bias.

Go 'Dawgs!

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Not sure if I agree with your examples
I'll let the liberal media stuff lie, though I'd agree it's not a conservative court either. The eminent domain ruling is partial proof of that, but seriously, that's not why I'm posting.

The examples you give of the Pac-10 winning non-conference games aren't wholly convincing because those victories came over programs, while prominent, were suffering through weaker stretches.

For instance, UCLA beat a 3-8 Alabama team in 2000 and a 7-5 one in 2001. California beat a 4-8 Oklahoma team in 1997 and a 5-6 one in 1998.

Stanford lost to an 11-1 North Carolina team in Mack Brown's last year in Chapel Hill in 1997, but then beat an 8-5 squad in 1998 in Carl Torbush's first season. Likewise, the Cardinal beat in 1999 and 2001 to a pair of 5-6 Notre Dame teams, but lost to a 9-3 Irish team in 1998 and another 9-3 on in 2000.

With the exception of Southern California, who we all kinda knew was heads-and-shoulders above the rest, your examples suggest the Pac-10 was good at beating programs enduring mediocre seasons, but struggled to be competitive when those opponents flourished.

by Jmac on Aug 2, 2006 4:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Excellent points . . .
. . . both of you.

Seriously, those were some trenchant, well-argued comments that made meaningful points and I appreciated it.

Thanks!

by T Kyle King on Aug 3, 2006 9:40 AM EDT   0 recs

In my defense
Two SEC representatives have been antagonizing 'SC since I became a Trojan, which has, at least in my mind, put the entire conference in a bad light.

LSU's "onepeat" sign, coupled with Auburn's argument of being "the people's champion" made the conference come across as whiny and petty.  Feel free to disagree, but when the sign went up near 'SC, people ignored it.  When a sign was going to be put up in Lousiana, it stayed down because of arson threats.

I don't deny that the SEC has some awesome teams, some awesome tradition, and I'm certainly not looking forward to going to Arkansas next season.  However, from my experiences, as well as my preference for varied offenses, I have never been anything but antagonized by SEC representatives.

And Urban Meyer is sort of a pet favorite because he rejected Notre Dame.  His Utah teams put up lots of points and were dominant in their undefeated 2004 season.  He coaches a fun brand of football uncharacteristic to the SEC (it may have been an awesome game, but 6-3 Alabama over Tenn just wasn't as fun for me to watch).  He's still an SEC coach, but I see him as more likely to got for it on 4th and short when on the opposite 35 than to punt it.

As for the numbers...oh well, can't win 'em all.

I'm just getting into the groove of things...be gentle.

by USCLink on Aug 3, 2006 1:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Much obliged, USCLink
I appreciate your frustration, but please understand that the S.E.C. fans to whom you refer are not representative of the league as a whole.

I, for one, have defended the legitimacy of U.S.C.'s 2003 national championship, denounced the whole "onepeat" campaign as stupid, and argued that Southern Cal's Orange Bowl win at the end of the 2004 campaign was decisive.

All I'm asking is that you not lump all of us in the same boat. Yes, there are some yahoos in S.E.C. country, but the percantage of yahoodom is no higher here than it is among any other rabid fan base. It just comes with the territory.

In any case, I thank you for dropping by and taking the time to respond. Good luck next season.

by T Kyle King on Aug 3, 2006 10:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Fair enough
and thank you for your hospitality.  Best of luck to you guys as well.

I admit it was a biased generalization, which I really shouldn't have made...I mean, I don't want to condemn an entire group for the actions of a limited few, do I?

by USCLink on Aug 4, 2006 4:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The fact that you
were able to reference James Madison, the constitutional convention, and the notion of a republican government in the assessment of the Orange Bowl is one of the most phenomenal pieces of documentation I've ever read (I'm a big fan of Con-law).

Well done with that.  I'm definitely going to be hanging around more often.

by USCLink on Aug 4, 2006 5:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I appreciate it, USCLink
Never let it be said that I am not a veritable font of random and useless minutiae!

In all seriousness, I understand the Pac-10's perception of others' perception of the Pac-10, but U.S.C.'s recent success has called enough attention to the league to make it clear that it isn't the Trojans and the nine dwarves. It's a real conference and I take it seriously.

Naturally, I appreciate your readership and, when it comes time to vote in the BlogPoll, I'll be posting my ballot each week, as required by the rules. Feel free to offer your critiques and I'll give them full consideration in my future voting.

by T Kyle King on Aug 4, 2006 6:07 PM EDT   0 recs

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